Author Topic: UFC 107 Replay CRUSHES Strikeforce Miami... (Read 4397 times)

MindSpin · « **on:** February 02, 2010, 04:00:46 PM »

Strike Force Miami drew a total of 517,000 viewers (just below the record set by Gina Carano in August of 576,000 viewers).

The REPLAY of UFC 107 drew 2.2 million viewers.

That's why companies are willing to pay a lot more endorsement money to UFC fighters than Strike Force Fighters. If you sponsored Diego Sanchez, for example, your logo would have been seen in the live UFC showing (620,000 PPVs) plus the replay on Spike (2.2 million). That's well over 3 million views or almost 6x as much as Strikeforce. Keep in mind, UFC Unleashed will likely air that Diego/BJ fight for years to come.

And that, is why Fedor would make a shiatload more money in the UFC than Strikeforce even with his 10% ownership of M1...

George Whorewell · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2010, 04:31:51 PM »

One was on cable for free, one was on a premium channel that most people don't have.

Not really a mystery as to why one out-performed the other.

MindSpin · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2010, 04:49:18 PM »

Hmmm....I wonder why Strikeforce can't do a TV deal that gets them more viewers

Fury · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:08:39 PM »

Quote from: George Whorewell on February 02, 2010, 04:31:51 PM

One was on cable for free, one was on a premium channel that most people don't have.

Not really a mystery as to why one out-performed the other.

LOL.

MindSpin · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:30:13 PM »

What's so funny horseface? free channel or not, it's still MORE views

Fury · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:45:34 PM »

Quote from: MindSpin on February 02, 2010, 05:30:13 PM

What's so funny horseface? free channel or not, it's still MORE views

NERD rage! You act as if it's surprising that an event shown on a premium channel that most people don't have got less numbers than one shown on a free cable channel.

Tell me, does Dana at least say thanks after blowing his load in your mouth? Doesn't seem like the type of guy who would.

MindSpin · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:47:45 PM »

I didn't act surprised about anything. Why don't you go get your mommy and ask her to read you my post for you. You'll then see that I used the ratings difference to support the fact that UFC fighters make a shitload more money than Strikeforce...including Fedor.

Fury · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:49:52 PM »

Do they now? That's why the numbers show that the overwhelming majority of them make shit money. Hell, full time McDonald's employees make more than a lot of those guys. The UFC is surely treating their fighters well.

And your argument doesn't show shit. Talk about a straw man. "This event got a lot of views so we can say that they make more money than Fedor." Good one. That would hold up in an intelligent debate.

MindSpin · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:53:34 PM »

Better than Boxing where at one time a handful of fighters where earning 70% of the purse money

Also, most fighters make the majority of their money from sponsors not UFC contracts. And, the sponsors pay them big bucks because the UFC creates so much TV air time. Anyone on a televised UFC bout will make at least $20,000 in sponsor money. The top fighters up to $500,000k.

Fury · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2010, 06:03:43 PM »

So now it's the sponsors paying their salaries and not the UFC. So, in reality, the UFC isn't paying their fighters much. Thanks for admitting that.

*ChuteBoxe* · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2010, 08:07:47 PM »

Strikeforce smashed the UFC's counter programming attempt when they were on CBS the last time with Fedor/Rogers. I think it was something like the 7th most watched televised MMA event of all time. I expect the next CBS Strikeforce card to win the battle next month as well.

On_Swole · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2010, 08:49:03 PM »

Quote from: *ChuteBoxe* on February 02, 2010, 08:07:47 PM

Strikeforce smashed the UFC's counter programming attempt when they were on CBS the last time with Fedor/Rogers. I think it was something like the 7th most watched televised MMA event of all time. I expect the next CBS Strikeforce card to win the battle next month as well.

But then Mindspin's argument will be that Strikeforce was on free network television whereas the UFC was on Spike, a cable channel.

Fury · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2010, 10:01:16 PM »

Quote from: *ChuteBoxe* on February 02, 2010, 08:07:47 PM

Strikeforce smashed the UFC's counter programming attempt when they were on CBS the last time with Fedor/Rogers. I think it was something like the 7th most watched televised MMA event of all time. I expect the next CBS Strikeforce card to win the battle next month as well.

OWNED.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2010, 05:22:57 AM »

Quote from: MindSpin on February 02, 2010, 04:00:46 PM

And that, is why Fedor would make a shiatload more money in the UFC than Strikeforce even with his 10% ownership of M1...

Not really. Fedor can get special deals in Strikeforce because they are a smaller organization that needs a brand-name fighter and he's Fedor, so Strikeforce will give him what he wants. In the UFC, Fedor has to play by their rules and doesen't get special treatment: no major share of PPV earnings, no copromotion with his company and Fedor doesen't get to fight when he wants but when White wants. Who cares that in the UFC Fedor's fights will be wartched by more people and will make more total revenues if Fedor's share of those revenues will be much smaller? These simple facts are too complicated for you to understand, but I keep trying nonetheless. $:-\$

SUCKMYMUSCLE

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2010, 05:29:31 AM »

"Mindspin" is getting owned by everyone in this thread. This is embarassing. I've never seen a moderator get humiliated like this before.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

MindSpin · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2010, 08:52:44 AM »

It nobody owning shiat

1. The UFC pays its fighters better than any other organization, and they do it while remaining profitable. Why is this last part important ? By remaining profitable, the UFC ensures that it will be around a long time and that is can consistently put out more shows. The fighters benefit by having a reliable organization to find employment in.

2. suckmymuscle, is correct. Because of who he is, Fedor is able to get special deals. However, it is at the expense of other fighters and the organization itself. Look at what happened with Affliction. You all saw what Fedor and his crew were getting paid. Not only did this take away from other fighters, but outlandish compensation like what Affliction was doing, is one of the key factors that ultimately lead to its demise. The result? Fedor didn't get paid and a whole bunch of fighters are out of work.

3. *ChuteBoxe* is right, but think about what you Fedor nuthuggers are celebrating. That a LIVE and highly promoted event on free network TV, with the "Worlds Greatest Heavyweight", beat a UFC rerun on cable...lol! That's a victory?..hah ha ha! All the UFC had to do was to do a replay, and they managed to take over 1 million viewers away from the best that Strikeforce had to offer. I wonder how that Fedor card would have done against a free live UFC event with Brock vs. Mir or Carwin...lol.

MindSpin · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2010, 09:04:37 AM »

Talk about fighters not getting paid shiat. Here are the salaries for Strikeforce Miami:

Main Bouts:
- Nick Diaz $100,000 (no win bonus) def. Marius Zaromskis $30,000
- Cris "Cyborg" Santos $35,000 ($15,000 win bonus and $5,000 championship bonus) def. Marloes Coenen $2,000
- Herschel Walker $600 (no win bonus) def. Greg Nagy $5,000
- Robbie Lawler $100,000 (no win bonus) def. Melvin Manhoef $5,000
- Bobby Lashley $50,000 (no win bonus) def. Wes Sims $25,000

Preliminary Bouts:
- Jay Hieron $65,000 ($35,000 win bonus) def. Joe Riggs $30,000
- Pablo Alfonso $3,000 ($1,500 win bonus) def. Marcos DaMotta $2,500
- Hadar Hassan $2,000 ($1,000 win bonus) def. Ryan Keenan $2,000
- John Kelly $2,000 ($1,000 win bonus) def. Sabah Homasi $1,000
- Michael Byrnes $2,000 ($1,000 win bonus) def. David Zitnik $1,500
- David Gomez $2,000 ($1,000 win bonus) def. Craig Oxley $1,500
- Joe Ray $1,500 ($500 win bonus) def. John Clarke $1,000

STRIKEFORCE: MIAMI DISCLOSED FIGHTER PAYROLL: $469,600

Four fighters made nearly 70% of the total purse. The rest got screwed....

Oh, and Coenen got $2,000 for a title fight...bwahahahahah!!!!

*ChuteBoxe* · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2010, 10:38:19 AM »

Quote from: MindSpin on February 03, 2010, 08:52:44 AM

I wonder how that Fedor card would have done against a free live UFC event with Brock vs. Mir or Carwin...lol.

The Fedor/Rogers CBS event that smashed the UFC conter programming attempt, went head to head with the replay of UFC 100, an event that featured the Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir the rematch.

Fury · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2010, 11:09:59 AM »

Quote from: *ChuteBoxe* on February 03, 2010, 10:38:19 AM

The Fedor/Rogers CBS event that smashed the UFC conter programming attempt, went head to head with the replay of UFC 100, an event that featured the Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir the rematch.

Hahaha!

MindSpin · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2010, 11:35:22 AM »

Quote from: *ChuteBoxe* on February 03, 2010, 10:38:19 AM

The Fedor/Rogers CBS event that smashed the UFC conter programming attempt, went head to head with the replay of UFC 100, an event that featured the Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir the rematch.

Wrong. it was "UFC Main Events", which included:

UFC 102RANDY COUTURE vs. ANTONIO RODRIGO NOGUEIRA
UFC 103VITOR BELFORT vs. RICH FRANKLIN
UFC 101BJ PENN vs. KENNY FLORIAN
UFC 101FORREST GRIFFIN vs. ANDERSON SILVA

Laugh at that horse-face

Fury · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2010, 12:48:42 PM »

Nice nerd rage. Then you claim to not have a vested interest in the UFC.

You got owned in this thread. Kudos for the attempted spin job, though.

MindSpin · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2010, 01:54:00 PM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on February 03, 2010, 12:48:42 PM

Nice nerd rage. Then you claim to not have a vested interest in the UFC.

You got owned in this thread. Kudos for the attempted spin job, though.

How did I get owned? I addressed each comment with supporting facts including the last post in which I corrected chutebox on the UFC replay. I'm singlehandedly pwning all Fedor nuthuggers

*ChuteBoxe* · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2010, 06:13:14 PM »

I really don't think it makes much difference, it almost looks worse that a UFC replay in which every fight was a main event, was dwarfed by one Strikeforce show.

MindSpin · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2010, 08:39:49 AM »

Quote from: *ChuteBoxe* on February 03, 2010, 06:13:14 PM

I really don't think it makes much difference, it almost looks worse that a UFC replay in which every fight was a main event, was dwarfed by one Strikeforce show.

I thought you said it was a UFC 100 replay. You were wrong....what's up with that

And how doest it look worse. You Fedor nuthuggers keep talking about how StrikeForce is waaay better than the UFC. If you actually believe that, why would you be surprised that a free live network TV event with "the world's best heavyweight" beats a UFC repeat on cable?

Option D · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2010, 10:46:04 AM »

Quote from: George Whorewell on February 02, 2010, 04:31:51 PM

One was on cable for free, one was on a premium channel that most people don't have.

Not really a mystery as to why one out-performed the other.

hahaha...kinda just let the stream out of that one huh