For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter

[Soul Crusher]

Boom.!!!! your boy use the "Obama rhymes with Osama so he is a terroist" logic with anything...now i sw why fox has so many viewers....people like dude.. thinks of a conclusion and then later (while looking through the lenses of his assertions) he tries fit factors that will give him that predetermined conclusion. Very sad

Hey Mal - read the thread and the posts and articles.  If you want to post drivel, thats your perogative, but you are just making a fool of yourself by not posting anything of substance disagreeing with anyones' posts. 

Straw posted specific tenents of the communist manifesto and some of us have posted clear examples of those tenents in action.  If you cant dispute it, just say so.   

[MRDUMPLING]

seriously - what % of homeowners have lost their property (I'm guessing it's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1%) and they dont just "take it" and not in any way, shape or form.    

Again, it doesn't matter what percentage lost their property due to this.  The fact remains that it can happen.  Yes, they do take it...it's called a tax sale.  The government then auctions off the property for the tax bill so they get their money.  Taxing a property does not mean it is yours.  

Thanks for answering the easement question too.  

The government is doing things at the local and federal level to make it harder to truly own private land.  It has nothing to do with Obama.  

You guys are getting owned by 333...I don't know where you guys are getting this crap that you think he is saying in his posts.  I see a bunch of insults and no answers with any substance.  

[MRDUMPLING]

Who said anything about the Obama administration doing this?  This has been going on for a while.  Now people are bringing up FOX news etc.? 

I see some Glen Beck shit going on in this thread and it isn't from 333.  Some of you are pulling clown hats out of your asses. 

[Straw Man]

Lets see: 
1.  Obama has already, via another bailout of Fannie and Freddy, guaranteed the mortgages of trillions in home loans.  What do you call that?  That is the Government taking ownership of private property. 
2.  Obama floated a plan earlier in the year where people would give their homes to the govt and they could rent it back from the govt at a lower rate.  You probably missed that proposal right?  I will get the link for you from the WSJ later. 

1. bailing out fannie freddie not not equal taking ownership of private property.  Technically the two companies are in receivership because they are bankrupt.  That's very different from ABOLITION of property.   Come on 333 - you know this stuff

2. the proposal is to let people who will lose their home thru foreclosure be able to remain in their home.  It is not the same thing a seizing the home of someone for no reason.  This proposol is a good idea.  It's keeps the family in the home it helps maintain the neighborhood etc... and of course no one is going to be forced to do this.  They can always choose to let the proerty go ino foreclosure an walk away. Again, do yo really not see the difference?   I'm beginning to understand why you so confused and cared

[Skip8282]

Boom.!!!! your boy use the "Obama rhymes with Osama so he is a terroist" logic with anything...now i sw why fox has so many viewers....people like dude.. thinks of a conclusion and then later (while looking through the lenses of his assertions) he tries fit factors that will give him that predetermined conclusion. Very sad

What's sad is that you're not capable of counter arguing the points so you devolve into attacking Fox News.  

KC hasn't even read what's going on.

And, Strawman is just playing TheLuke's game.  If he posts proof that you don't like or agree with, you just deny it.

Straw, 33 has not said we are a communist nation.  He's said we are moving in that direction.  Do you know the difference?

[Soul Crusher]

1. bailing out fannie freddie not not equal taking ownership of private property.  Technically the two companies are in receivership because they are bankrupt.  That's very different from ABOLITION of property.   Come on 333 - you know this stuff

2. the proposal is to let people who will lose their home thru foreclosure be able to remain in their home.  It is not the same thing a seizing the home of someone for no reason.  This proposol is a good idea.  It's keeps the family in the home it helps maintain the neighborhood etc... and of course no one is going to be forced to do this.  They can always choose to let the proerty go ino foreclosure an walk away. Again, do yo really not see the difference?   I'm beginning to understand why you so confused and cared

Or we can always do what 100's of years of legal precendent calls for and allow these homes to go into foreclosure and back on the banks' balance sheets and/or sold on the open market.  

Why dont liberals want to just follow the law as it is written?

[Soul Crusher]

What's sad is that you're not capable of counter arguing the points so you devolve into attacking Fox News.  

KC hasn't even read what's going on.

And, Strawman is just playing TheLuke's game.  If he posts proof that you don't like or agree with, you just deny it.

Straw, 33 has not said we are a communist nation.  He's said we are moving in that direction.  Do you know the difference?

Its unreal Skip.  Dumpling, myself and others have posted clear irrefutable evidence and just because Straw KC, and MAL dont like the fact that their belief system is in line with the Communist Manifesto, they deny reality. 

[Skip8282]

Why dont liberals want to just follow the law as it is written?

Kinda reminds me of the gun laws, eh?  Why enforce the bazillion or so that are on the books?  Let's just create new ones, lol.

[Straw Man]

What's sad is that you're not capable of counter arguing the points so you devolve into attacking Fox News.  

KC hasn't even read what's going on.

And, Strawman is just playing TheLuke's game.  If he posts proof that you don't like or agree with, you just deny it.

Straw, 33 has not said we are a communist nation.  [size=1p5t]He's said we are moving in that direction.  Do you know the difference?[/size]

Absolutely.  That was the point of this thread.  These ten points of the Communist Manifesto were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism

I haven't seen anything yet that supports the first item on the list.  We haven't even gotten to the other 9 items.  

I addressed this to 333 becaue HE has been the main person on this board ranting about how Obama and his administratin are all secret communists.   I don't recall him saying that about Bush or Clinton.  

[Straw Man]

Again, it doesn't matter what percentage lost their property due to this.  The fact remains that it can happen.  Yes, they do take it...it's called a tax sale.  The government then auctions off the property for the tax bill so they get their money.  Taxing a property does not mean it is yours.  

Thanks for answering the easement question too.  

The government is doing things at the local and federal level to make it harder to truly own private land.  It has nothing to do with Obama.  

You guys are getting owned by 333...I don't know where you guys are getting this crap that you think he is saying in his posts.  I see a bunch of insults and no answers with any substance.

Hardly - Obama didnt' create emminent domain and the US govt has been forcing the sale of private property since it's existence (think railroad, highways, public works, etc) and yes I'm aware this is different from forcing the sale of private property and to RE Developers (and Obama isn't doing that either) which I agree is bullshit

Still waiting for a single example of how the current administration is proposing the "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes"

[Soul Crusher]

Absolutely.  That was the point of this thread.  These ten points of the Communist Manifesto were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism

I haven't seen anything yet that supports the first item on the list.  We haven't even gotten to the other 9 items.  

I addressed this to 333 becaue HE has been the main person on this board ranting about how Obama and his administratin are all secret communists.   I don't recall him saying that about Bush or Clinton.  

He is not a secrete communist Straw:

1.  His mother and father were communists.  
2.  His mentor was a communist.
3.  His priest is a marxist.
4.  In college he sought out the marxists for friends, AS PER DREAMS OF MY FATHERS
5.  His class-warfare rhetoric is communist.
6.  His political mentor Saul Alinsky was a communist.
7.  Many of his appointments are avowed communists.  
8.  we was a member of the socialist party at one time.  

You want more Straw?

[Soul Crusher]

Hardly - Obama didnt' create emminent domain and the US govt has been forcing the sale of private property since it's existence (think railroad, highways, public works, etc) and yes I'm aware this is different from forcing the sale of private property and to RE Developers (and Obama isn't doing that either) which I agree is bullshit

Still waiting for a single example of how the current administration is proposing the "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes"

Bro - we have given you dozens of examples and you still ignore it.  Incredible. 

[MRDUMPLING]

Hardly - Obama didnt' create emminent domain and the US govt has been forcing the sale of private property since it's existence (think railroad, highways, public works, etc) and yes I'm aware this is different from forcing the sale of private property and to RE Developers (and Obama isn't doing that either) which I agree is bullshit

Still waiting for a single example of how the current administration is proposing the "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes"


It isn't about what this administration is doing.  This has been going on before Obama and is currently going on. 

[Straw Man]

Bro - we have given you dozens of examples and you still ignore it.  Incredible. 

give me your best single example of how the Obama administration attempt toward the "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes"

I'll address it.

pick your best one

[Soul Crusher]

Straw- you name perfectly fits you because that is what you put up - STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.  

You started this thread about the communist manifesto and the govt, not only Obama, and now you are trying to make this about Obama only, its not.  

He definately in a communist in my mind, by your own damn list in fact, but he is not alone in this.  

I have given you plent of evidence of the policies of the left wing as to how they clearly relate to the communist manifesto, all 10 of them, and yet you ignore 99% of the list in favor of one straw man argument on one tenent which still you were owned on.  

Communism, as you stated is a progression, its not an event.  

[Straw Man]

Straw- you name perfectly fits you because that is what you put up - STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.  

You started this thread about the communist manifesto and the govt, not only Obama, and now you are trying to make this about Obama only, its not.  

He definately in a communist in my mind, by your own damn list in fact, but he is not alone in this.  

I have given you plent of evidence of the policies of the left wing as to how they clearly relate to the communist manifesto, all 10 of them, and yet you ignore 99% of the list in favor of one straw man argument on one tenent which still you were owned on.  

Communism, as you stated is a progression, its not an event.  

where is your best example?

[Soul Crusher]

give me your best single example of how the Obama administration attempt toward the "Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes"

I'll address it.

pick your best one

I already freaking did Bro and Dumpling and I have already proven that you dont own your property as it is and Obama is undermining your property rights by his proposals.  

[Straw Man]

I already freaking did Bro and Dumpling and I have already proven that you dont own your property as it is and Obama is undermining your property rights by his proposals.  

you've listed a bunch of different things, none of which I could find that supported the statement.

maybe I missed it

list your best one and I'll address it directly

[Option D]

What's sad is that you're not capable of counter arguing the points so you devolve into attacking Fox News.  

KC hasn't even read what's going on.

And, Strawman is just playing TheLuke's game.  If he posts proof that you don't like or agree with, you just deny it.

Straw, 33 has not said we are a communist nation.  He's said we are moving in that direction.  Do you know the difference?

Just because i dont ascribe to the "the sky is falling" or the "its them against us (even though we are all Americans)...i just dont...wait for the outcome of a situation. I dont speculate. I look at factors of a situation and see what contributed to the outcome..Fear mongering and speculation arent in my DNA...sorry

[Soul Crusher]

Just because i dont ascribe to the "the sky is falling" or the "its them against us (even though we are all Americans)...i just dont...wait for the outcome of a situation. I dont speculate. I look at factors of a situation and see what contributed to the outcome..Fear mongering and speculation arent in my DNA...sorry

I didnt give speculation in my points to Straws list.  If you would have read the thread instead you would have noticed that. 

[Soul Crusher]

you've listed a bunch of different things, none of which I could find that supported the statement.

maybe I missed it

list your best one and I'll address it directly

Oh I forgot - canceling the bondholders' rights in the Chrysler & the GM. matter. 

 

[Straw Man]

Oh I forgot - canceling the bondholders' rights in the Chrysler & the GM. matter. 

so that's the one you're going to go with to support the Abolition of property, etc..?

[Soul Crusher]

so that's the one you're going to go with to support the Abolition of property, etc..?

Hold on Straw - first off, you started this thread and it was not exclusive to Obama.  Despite that, I have given multiple instances of his actions directly attacking property rights.

Second, there are 9 other items on your list, most of which are much more relevent and on point and you want to make this about one tenent.  When you take all of these as a whole there is absolutely no argument whatsoever that the far left, which you are part of, agree with the major tenents and goals of communism.   

[George Whorewell]

This is like watching two juveniles argue with Albert Einstein over physics.

Do you guys even know how to read?

99% of what you are saying in response to 333 has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic of this thread.

The other 1 % is complete and utter nonsense from a logical standpoint.

Typical braindead liberal responses-- Facts and figures are fear mongering and speculation, a straight forward analysis based on the available evidence is Fox news propaganda and history is "skewed" by the right wing conspiracy machine.  

Some of you guys are really total fucking morons.

[Soul Crusher]

This is like watching two juveniles argue with Albert Einstein over physics.

Do you guys even know how to read?

99% of what you are saying in response to 333 has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic of this thread.

The other 1 % is complete and utter nonsense from a logical standpoint.

Typical braindead liberal responses-- Facts and figures are fear mongering and speculation, a straight forward analysis based on the available evidence is Fox news propaganda and history is "skewed" by the right wing conspiracy machine.  

Some of you guys are really total fucking morons.

GW - I gave specific policies, examples, etc and yet, Mal, KC, Straw, just hurl insults.  Its incredible. 

Even Marx said communism was a process not an event, yet Straw is asking me to prove communism as an event, which even Marx said does not happen. 

GW - check this quote out.:
________________________ _______________________

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."
 
by:
 Norman Thomas
(1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America