For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter

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i got the deffintion from the online websters  lol  so you can define it however, but i invite everyone to look it up

[Soul Crusher]

i got the deffintion from the online websters  lol  so you can define it however, but i invite everyone to look it up

I am moving on to No 2 as Straw refuses to see the forest through the trees on this. 

The Progressive Income tax is no brainer so we need to move to No 3. 

[Skip8282]

If you don't like eminent domain, or property taxes or zoning laws then you free to choose to not purchase property

Yeah and if you don't like your phone being tapped you can always choose not to have one.  So why not keep the Patriot Act in full force and use. 

Encroachment on our liberties, freedoms, or properties can be justified by an endless litany of reasons, but we have to balance out what's reasonable and what's not.  You think the current laws on property are reasonable, they don't.  Agree to disagree and move on.

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah and if you don't like your phone being tapped you can always choose not to have one.  So why not keep the Patriot Act in full force and use. 

Encroachment on our liberties, freedoms, or properties can be justified by an endless litany of reasons, but we have to balance out what's reasonable and what's not.  You think the current laws on property are reasonable, they don't.  Agree to disagree and move on.

I have been trying that for 13 pages now.

[Skip8282]

I have been trying that for 13 pages now.

Uh...I think at this point it's my obligation to say, "I TOLD YOU SO".  

[Soul Crusher]

Uh...I think at this point it's my obligation to say, "I TOLD YOU SO".  

Skip - No 2 is a progressive income tax.  Does anyone deny we have that one covered?  Or will it take 13 pages of stammering by Straw on that?

[Skip8282]

Skip - No 2 is a progressive income tax.  Does anyone deny we have that one covered?  Or will it take 13 pages of stammering by Straw on that?

If I have to take a guess, I'll say he's probably going to hang up on the word "Heavy" in #2.  But, I'm in agreement so feel free to go to #3!

[Straw Man]

I have been trying that for 13 pages now.

hey 333 - you claim to be a lawyer right?

Let's pretend that someone fell through the stairs in your home and was injured (let's say they were paralyzed).

Would the court accept your argument that you were not the owner of the property and therefore not responsible?

Yes or No?

[Skip8282]

hey 333 - you claim to be a lawyer right?

Let's pretend that someone fell through the stairs in your home and was injured (let's say they were paralyzed).

Would the court accept your argument that you were not the owner of the property and therefore not responsible?

Yes or No?

You're still just trying to confuse the issue of being a communist nation vs moving in that direction.  Do you really think you've got anybody fooled?

[Soul Crusher]

hey 333 - you claim to be a lawyer right?

Let's pretend that someone fell through the stairs in your home and was injured (let's say they were paralyzed).

Would the court accept your argument that you were not the owner of the property and therefore not responsible?

Yes or No?

Thats a ridiculous argument because renters can be sued by guests who slip and fall as well, 

[Straw Man]

Thats a ridiculous argument because renters can be sued by guests who slip and fall as well, 

would the court agree with your argument that,  as the "on title" owner,  that you were not responsibe because you didn't really own the property?

yes or no

simple question

[Skip8282]

Thats a ridiculous argument because renters can be sued by guests who slip and fall as well,  

Hahahaha...now that's a punch in the fucking mouth.  Arguing legal stuff with a lawyer can be painful.

[Soul Crusher]

would the court agree with your argument that,  as the "on title" owner,  that you were not responsibe because you didn't really own the property?

yes or no

simple question

No, because I have possession of the same and am responsible for guests on the premises, the same as If I rented, leased, or even just assumed respnsibility for the premises as a caretaker, maintence person, or otherwise.

 

[Straw Man]

No, because I have possession of the same and am responsible for guests on the premises, the same as If I rented, leased, or even just assumed respnsibility for the premises as a caretaker, maintence person, or otherwise.

yeah - if you were a tenant and assumed the responsibility as caretaker, maintenance etc..then you would be responsible but that's not the example I gave you.

Let's say the person was in your home (note counselor that I phrased the question as your "home" and not your "property").

your home

someone injured

the "owner" is responsible

who is the "owner"?

isn't that the word we're all pretending to argue about

[Straw Man]

If I have to take a guess, I'll say he's probably going to hang up on the word "Heavy" in #2.  But, I'm in agreement so feel free to go to #3!

I'm not the one who starting parsing the word "own" or "abolition" am I?

[Soul Crusher]

yeah - if you were a tenant and assumed the responsibility as caretaker, maintenance etc..then you would be responsible but that's not the example I gave you.

Let's say the person was in your home (note counselor that I phrased the question as your "home" and not your "property").

your home

someone injured

the "owner" is responsible

who is the "owner"?

isn't that the word we're all pretending to argue about

Yes, the deeded owner may be responsible.  However, if I were a renter many owners have hold harmless clauses etc absolving himself of liability for guests etc.  Same thing w the govt where it absolves itself of liability in many instances unless being put on specific notice of a defect or hazardous condition.   

I am not arguing that we live in a commie nation.  I have argued that we are moving in that direction via the items we have listed and that you dont have absolute ownership of your home in the same way you do yout tv set or clothes or shoes or computer, etc.   

[Skip8282]

I'm not the one who starting parsing the word "own" or "abolition" am I?

You're the one who's attempting to restructure the argument into us acutally being a communist nation vs moving in that direction.  In his own words...


"I have argued that we are moving in that direction..."

[Straw Man]

Yes, the deeded owner may be responsible.  .   

in your opinion

will you be successful in arguing that you are not really the owner of the property due to the fact that you have to pay property tax, follow zoning laws, and could face the remote possibility of eminent domain?

[Straw Man]

You're the one who's attempting to restructure the argument into us acutally being a communist nation vs moving in that direction.  In his own words...


"I have argued that we are moving in that direction..."

who are you quoting?

[Skip8282]

who are you quoting?

Lol, do actually read 33's posts?

Dude, you've clearly made your point on #1, he's made his.  Why not move on?

[Straw Man]

Lol, do actually read 33's posts?

Dude, you've clearly made your point on #1, he's made his.  Why not move on?

it would be helpfull if both you and 333 would read

look at my question

on #1 we are not CLOSE and neither 333 or you can provide any evidence of his statement that  we are moving in that direction

eminent domain - part of the Constitution and the legal framework of this country since the beginning so we are no closer now than we were since the country started

property tax/zoning laws have been around for 150+ years  and also not evidence of "being close" or even "moving in that direction"

Can you show me one thing on this list that even comes close to what we have today

[Skip8282]

it would be helpfull if both you and 333 would read

look at my question

on #1 we are not CLOSE and neither 333 or you can provide any evidence of his statement that  we are moving in that direction

eminent domain - part of the Constitution and the legal framework of this country since the beginning so we are no closer now than we were since the country started

property tax/zoning laws have been around for 150+ years  and also not evidence of "being close" or even "moving in that direction"

I've read every single one of your posts in this thread and I understand your points perfectly.  That doesn't mean anybody has to agree. 

So show some maturity and move on to #2.  I'm interested in hearing your counter-arguments on the tax issue.

[Soul Crusher]

it would be helpfull if both you and 333 would read

look at my question

on #1 we are not CLOSE and neither 333 or you can provide any evidence of his statement that  we are moving in that direction

eminent domain - part of the Constitution and the legal framework of this country since the beginning so we are no closer now than we were since the country started

property tax/zoning laws have been around for 150+ years  and also not evidence of "being close" or even "moving in that direction"

You dont even read do you?

I have argued the INCREASING USE OF ZONING & the INCREASING USE AND ABUSE OF EMINENT DOMAIN are acting to dilute your property rights, not the existence of zoning and eminent domain themselves.  I cited the KELO decision to you and that is what I am arguing; that the government is increasingly regulating and controoling the terms of your ownership. 

Is this that hard for you to grasp?

[Straw Man]

You dont even read do you?

I have argued the INCREASING USE OF ZONING & the INCREASING USE AND ABUSE OF EMINENT DOMAIN are acting to dilute your property rights, not the existence of zoning and eminent domain themselves.  I cited the KELO decision to you and that is what I am arguing; that the government is increasingly regulating and controoling the terms of your ownership. 

Is this that hard for you to grasp?

in the example I gave you would you be successful in arguing that you are not the owner due to eminent domain, the requirement to pay property tax etc...

yes or no?

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OWNERSHIP is the state or fact of EXCLUSIVE rights and control over property, which may be an object, land/real estate or intellectual property


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