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Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« on: February 04, 2010, 06:48:48 PM »
Could you list the simple principles behind this type of cardio and its benefits over longer endurance type cardio?

What are its affects on muscle loss? How often should it be done? Can you give us a sample routine?

Can you share any good articles and additional resources that might help us learn mroe about it?

Thanks!  :)
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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 06:52:56 PM »
Could you list the simple principles behind this type of cardio and its benefits over longer endurance type cardio?

What are its affects on muscle loss? How often should it be done? Can you give us a sample routine?

Can you share any good articles and additional resources that might help us learn mroe about it?

Thanks!  :)

It's a detailed answer, can I tell you after my dinner?

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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 06:54:08 PM »
It's a detailed answer, can I tell you after my dinner?
Take your time bro, ain't no rush. I know you're a busy guy so an answer would be much appreciatted  8)
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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 04:23:22 PM »
Quit stalling and answer the mans question, Joe.

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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 08:04:43 PM »
JME may still be digesting that whole cow (protein all the way) he ate on the 4th..so have patience. While having patience, I might suggest the Tabata  form of interval training. Had an excellent article, of 6 programs, explaining the system fairly well. over at T-nation.  Good Luck.
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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 11:27:48 PM »
Could you list the simple principles behind this type of cardio and its benefits over longer endurance type cardio?

What are its affects on muscle loss? How often should it be done? Can you give us a sample routine?

Can you share any good articles and additional resources that might help us learn mroe about it?

Thanks!  :)

First of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond. I seriously forgot :(

Ok, in answer to your first question;

The basic principals behind this are pretty simple in theory and it basically boils down to your bodies three energy systems (ATP-PC, Glycolytic and aerobic systems). While both HIIT and sustained cardio burn calories after a certain amount of time of constantly going at sustained pace, you start to get used to and the body starts not only burning fat but muscle as well since the energy has to come from somewhere, carbs first, then fat and then muscle. Thats what in a nutshell happends when you start tapping into the aerobic energy system in addition, slow twitch muscle fibers (bodybuilding is primarily fast twitch). I've used this analogy before, look at a sprinter then look at a marathon runner, the sprinter will always carry more muscle and less fat than the marathon runner, this is actually a concept that hasn't caught on in the bodybuilding world and still thinks the sustained cardio is the way to go even though there are ton of published studies that show otherwise..but oh well!
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The benefits of training the anaerobic systems ATP-PC, Glycolytic;

Intervals of about 20-30min can burn up to 4-500kcals during training, carbs give alot of the fuel during the high intensity part of the exercise while fat is also burned during the low intensity recovery. Unlike the long sustained "cardio" after your interval training, some studies have shown that your resting metabolic rate is actually still burning by 15-20% more for up to 24hrs. Since you're training at an intense level for a short amount time, muscle will not be tapped into as an energy source (catabolic) thus you retain more muscle.

I remember a couple of years ago Flexingtonsteel and I had a pretty good debate on here about that. He was saying that long sustained cardio was the way to go and I basically said what I did (if I remember correctly)..NOW, if you go to a gym, almost any gym, the interval craze has caught on big time...why? Because it works, and yes even for bodybuilding! Want more efficient training, look to your three energy systems. Here's a little guidline on the three........


Anaerobic System
Time To:
   
ATP-PC
   
Glycolytic
   
Aerobic System
Peak Power/System
   
<1sec.
   
20sec.
   
2-3min.
Maintenance of Peak
   
10sec.
   
20sec.
   
3min.
Total Capacity
   
10-30sec.
   
1-2min.
   
hours
Full Time For Recovery
   
3min.
   
1-2hr.
   
24hr.-48hr.
½ Time For Recovery
   
30sec.
   
15-20min.
   
5-6hr.

Haider, this is just a brief synopsis of why interval training is sooo much better than long sustained type of cardio, if you're doing it for cardiac health fine, but not nearly as efficient as good intense interval training. I will try to post more on this tomorrow.


 


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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 03:39:41 PM »
^^ Good analysis.

Looking forward to more.

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Re: Question for Coach and others who use HIIT type cardio
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 06:51:47 PM »
Quit stalling and answer the mans question, Joe.
LOL, I figured he had probably forgotten but I didn't have it in me to pressure him!

I have NO idea how to deal with pissed off mexicans conservatives! I kid, Joe  ;D



Quote from:  JPM
JME may still be digesting that whole cow (protein all the way) he ate on the 4th..so have patience. While having patience, I might suggest the Tabata  form of interval training. Had an excellent article, of 6 programs, explaining the system fairly well. over at T-nation.  Good Luck.
Thanks for the suggestion JP. I visit the site pretty frequently but never thought of looking for cardio articles there.. I am lazy, but I was hoping to gather some good info on this thread and making it a sticky for all getbiggers.

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First of all, I apologize for taking so long to respond. I seriously forgot

Ok, in answer to your first question;

The basic principals behind this are pretty simple in theory and it basically boils down to your bodies three energy systems (ATP-PC, Glycolytic and aerobic systems). While both HIIT and sustained cardio burn calories after a certain amount of time of constantly going at sustained pace, you start to get used to and the body starts not only burning fat but muscle as well since the energy has to come from somewhere, carbs first, then fat and then muscle. Thats what in a nutshell happends when you start tapping into the aerobic energy system in addition, slow twitch muscle fibers (bodybuilding is primarily fast twitch). I've used this analogy before, look at a sprinter then look at a marathon runner, the sprinter will always carry more muscle and less fat than the marathon runner, this is actually a concept that hasn't caught on in the bodybuilding world and still thinks the sustained cardio is the way to go even though there are ton of published studies that show otherwise..but oh well!
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The benefits of training the anaerobic systems ATP-PC, Glycolytic;

Intervals of about 20-30min can burn up to 4-500kcals during training, carbs give alot of the fuel during the high intensity part of the exercise while fat is also burned during the low intensity recovery. Unlike the long sustained "cardio" after your interval training, some studies have shown that your resting metabolic rate is actually still burning by 15-20% more for up to 24hrs. Since you're training at an intense level for a short amount time, muscle will not be tapped into as an energy source (catabolic) thus you retain more muscle.

I remember a couple of years ago Flexingtonsteel and I had a pretty good debate on here about that. He was saying that long sustained cardio was the way to go and I basically said what I did (if I remember correctly)..NOW, if you go to a gym, almost any gym, the interval craze has caught on big time...why? Because it works, and yes even for bodybuilding! Want more efficient training, look to your three energy systems. Here's a little guidline on the three........


Anaerobic System
Time To:
   
ATP-PC
   
Glycolytic
   
Aerobic System
Peak Power/System
   
<1sec.
   
20sec.
   
2-3min.
Maintenance of Peak
   
10sec.
   
20sec.
   
3min.
Total Capacity
   
10-30sec.
   
1-2min.
   
hours
Full Time For Recovery
   
3min.
   
1-2hr.
   
24hr.-48hr.
½ Time For Recovery
   
30sec.
   
15-20min.
   
5-6hr.

Haider, this is just a brief synopsis of why interval training is sooo much better than long sustained type of cardio, if you're doing it for cardiac health fine, but not nearly as efficient as good intense interval training. I will try to post more on this tomorrow.
Thanks for sharing the good info Coach  8)

So you're saying:
- Slow-paced cardio may burn more calories in a session but it starts to burn up muscle. HIIT avoids this as it is short and carbs are the main source of energy.

-your metabolic rate goes up 15-20% after doing HIIT; so you end up burning more calories over the day, and also sparing more muscle at the same time.

Isn't it more benificial for athletes because it is better at raising your VO2 max (no idea what that means, btw)? Do you prescribe the same for your athletes? Do you see any benefit in athletes such as boxers going on long runs?

would also appreciatte it if you could tell us how to perform this type of cardio (sample routines, etc.). Thanks a lot Coach, your time is much appreciatted!!

Also, I will keep my liberal-bias in check on getbig from now on in thanks for this  ;D
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