What % of population could become an IFBB Pro?

[KevinP85]

If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.

But some of us want to be/or are cage fighters

[kiwiol]

If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.

I'm almost there - been eating kale greens and molasses while posting standing up for nearly 3 days now, and my legs are starting to look like Paul DeMayo's

[Palpatine Q]

Good work Kiwi......Iv'e been posting while holding my laptop over my head and my arms are exploding with new muscle fibers

[kiwiol]

Good work Kiwi......Iv'e been posting while holding my laptop over my head and my arms are exploding with new muscle fibers

Good, because God knows you need some muscle in those arms

[dr.chimps]

I'm almost there - been eating kale greens and molasses while posting standing up for nearly 3 days now, and my legs are starting to look like Paul DeMayo's

Adding some Dead Sea salt and formaldehyde to that stack oughta see you standing on the Olympia stage, bro. Thank me later. 

[dov]

Good post....these twinks must be in the 5% of population that has no business trying to earn a pro card

They all say it simply comes down to just a choice to turn pro, yet NONE of them are willing to say they could be a pro if they truely desired to diet, train, use drugs, etc.....HAHA!  What a bunch of slack-jawwed f@ggots

Good post....these twinks mu........OOOPS!!!! Looks like me gimmick is at it again...sorry, please forgive

[kiwiol]

Adding some Dead Sea salt and formaldehyde to that stack oughta see you standing on the Olympia stage, bro. Thank me later. 

You're cool, but no paintcan, sorry.

[dov]

If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.

No, no, no...."Wes", you're missing the whole point. The guys are saying that it just comes down to a simple choice of not wanting to put in all of the needed work to become a slam-dunk pro. To them, all it takes is drugs and training to be standing next to an IFBB Pro....they simply choose not to. They have 2 arms, 2 legs, chest, back, etc...fill those up with drugs, train, eat, sleep, and 90% are receiving Pro BB cards .....My head is hurting

[Mr Nobody]

Adding some Dead Sea salt and formaldehyde to that stack oughta see you standing on the Olympia stage, bro. Thank me later. 

Are you saying this would also work for Danny Devito?

[dov]

Are you saying this would also work for Danny Devito?

By most accounts, Danny DeVito could've upped teh dosage, trained, ate and been a Pro BB 30 yrs ago if only he wanted to. I think he missed his calling.

[Valane]

No, no, no...."Wes", you're missing the whole point. The guys are saying that it just comes down to a simple choice of not wanting to put in all of the needed work to become a slam-dunk pro. To them, all it takes is drugs and training to be standing next to an IFBB Pro....they simply choose not to. They have 2 arms, 2 legs, chest, back, etc...fill those up with drugs, train, eat, sleep, and 90% are receiving Pro BB cards .....My head is hurting

You seem to be of the opinion that being a Bodybuilder, a profession with huge health and lifestyle implications and no monetary reward, is a profession that people covet. Do most people have Serge Oliva genetics? No. Do most pro's? No. All that has been rewarded in bodybuilding the last few decades is size, irrespective of structure or underlying genetics. A large percentage could reach current pro standards. Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia...

[dov]

You seem to be of the opinion that being a Bodybuilder, a profession with huge health and lifestyle implications and no monetary reward, is a profession that people covet. Do most people have Serge Oliva genetics? No. Do most pro's? No. All that has been rewarded in bodybuilding the last few decades is size, irrespective of structure or underlying genetics. A large percentage could reach current pro standards. Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia...

You, like a lot of others here, are implying that the main variable in becoming a current Pro BB card holder is simply a matter of taking more drugs. I fully understand that most people, including myself, have no interest in achieving this look. Even if Cutler and others were a dedicated natty, they would still look much better(BB standards) than most dedicated gear users in terms of structure, proportions, insertions, etc....So, my argument stems from those in the minority who have the genetic foundation and the majority who don't.

The next time you're in the gym, survey(no homo) the 18-40 yr old men and make an unbiased tally of who truely posesses the basic, genetic foundation that a Darrem Charles has. Seriously, give it a try.

"Valane" question: are you in the "large percentage" who could reach current pro standards? If so, are you saying the ONLY reason you're not a Pro card holder is b/c you simply don't care to put in the effort?

[bigbobs]

If it was easy,we`d all have pro caliber physiques.

True, although it is safe to say that most of us do have or able to have (if we want to) better physiques than wes

[tbombz]

You, like a lot of others here, are implying that the main variable in becoming a current Pro BB card holder is simply a matter of taking more drugs. I fully understand that most people, including myself, have no interest in achieving this look. Even if Cutler and others were a dedicated natty, they would still look much better(BB standards) than most dedicated gear users in terms of structure, proportions, insertions, etc....So, my argument stems from those in the minority who have the genetic foundation and the majority who don't.

The next time you're in the gym, survey(no homo) the 18-40 yr old men and make an unbiased tally of who truely posesses the basic, genetic foundation that a Darrem Charles has. Seriously, give it a try.

"Valane" question: are you in the "large percentage" who could reach current pro standards? If so, are you saying the ONLY reason you're not a Pro card holder is b/c you simply don't care to put in the effort?

you are assuming that the main argument, the main reason for the opinion that most people can become pro if they wanted to, is that we(those who partake in such an opinion) think that steroids are miracle drugs that will make anyone huge and shredded.

and that they will work for everyone just as well as they will work for the pros, and if they dont work as well they could just take a bit more and then get the same results.



HOWEVER

while it does at the surface seem that this is the key argument, and in fact it actually is the key argument. and its a truthful argument without error either. there is no doubt that it is true that every human being has almost identical genetics, and all have very similar potentialities.

BUT

here is where a main difference lies, the belief in their own ability. simply having an ability or potential does nothign to make that ability or potential a reality. for nothing is real unless it exists, and nothing can exist without it being percievable in some way, and if an entity does not percieve and can not percieve of itself to ever be a certain way, then it will be in essence preventing itself from ever seeing that potential come to fruition.


"self defeating prophecy"

[Palpatine Q]

We can go back and forth forever....I think tbat pro BBers do have very good genetics. Point is there are a lot of people with good genetics.

If every kid that wanted to be a pro Quarterback wanted to be a pro BBer instead.....there would be a lot of dudes as big as Nasser running around

[dov]

you are assuming that the main argument, the main reason for the opinion that most people can become pro if they wanted to, is that we(those who partake in such an opinion) think that steroids are miracle drugs that will make anyone huge and shredded.

and that they will work for everyone just as well as they will work for the pros, and if they dont work as well they could just take a bit more and then get the same results.



HOWEVER

while it does at the surface seem that this is the key argument, and in fact it actually is the key argument. and its a truthful argument without error either. there is no doubt that it is true that every human being has almost identical genetics, and all have very similar potentialities.

BUT

here is where a main difference lies, the belief in their own ability. simply having an ability or potential does nothign to make that ability or potential a reality. for nothing is real unless it exists, and nothing can exist without it being percievable in some way, and if an entity does not percieve and can not percieve of itself to ever be a certain way, then it will be in essence preventing itself from ever seeing that potential come to fruition.


"self defeating prophecy"

"Tbomz" the philosophical prophet!

From most opinions on here, including your own, you should have NO problen earning your Pro card. You mentioned "will" in another post and how 98% of people have the potential to earn this card. So, 98% of the population can simply "will" their way to a Pro BB card? WTF?! What happens when you come up short? You would then consider yourself in the 2% range? Holy Jeeeezus!

[tbombz]

"Tbomz" the philosophical prophet!

From most opinions on here, including your own, you should have NO problen earning your Pro card. You mentioned "will" in another post and how 98% of people have the potential to earn this card. So, 98% of the population can simply "will" their way to a Pro BB card? WTF?! What happens when you come up short? You would then consider yourself in the 2% range? Holy Jeeeezus!

one must combine will+desire+ability+commitment+follow through.

bodybuilding demands consistancy first and foremost. without consistant belief and consistant effort, he potnetial is lost.

if you combine both of those, and then you still cant achieve it, then youll be in the small minority who cant.

the 1-3% number was an off the top guesstimate. probably inaccurate, or at leats not precise. the argument is that the vast majority do hol the potnetial, as all human beings do have very similar potnetials (most people are vastly underestimating their own potentials, even those who most people are probably thinking are overestimating thiers)

[dov]

one must combine will+desire+ability+commitment+follow through.

bodybuilding demands consistancy first and foremost. without consistant belief and consistant effort, he potnetial is lost.

if you combine both of those, and then you still cant achieve it, then youll be in the small minority who cant.

the 1-3% number was an off the top guesstimate. probably inaccurate, or at leats not precise. the argument is that the vast majority do hol the potnetial, as all human beings do have very similar potnetials (most people are vastly underestimating their own potentials, even those who most people are probably thinking are overestimating thiers)

I'll put a distinct number on it.....1% of population has the basic genetic foundation needed to earn a Pro card.......99% of people, no matter how disciplined, committed they are would be wasting their fooking time...period!


your "vast majority" will learn what reality means after chasing the dream for 20 yrs!   I know I sound like a hater and bitter...I'm really not either...I just see things with a grain of reality...that's all.

[kiwiol]

all human beings do have very similar potnetials

Nope. Whether it's your capacity for intelligence or your height or your ability to successfully bodybuild or whatever, the pattern among the population is always the bell shaped curve, with a few individuals who are on both the extreme ends and the majority of the population being in between.

That's why among the thousands of pro bodybuilders, you'll only find one Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates, even though (I'm sure) there are tons of pros out there who train harder & / or juice more than those two. In any field, the number of individuals who are extremely successful are vastly outnumbered by the ones who can't make it or are just average. It's the same thing with bodybuilding.

A lot of the people out there can put on a fair bit of size if they lift and juice right, but still won't come close to looking like Mr Olympia or anyone from the top 10. Look at guys like Mike Arvilla, who train their heart out and are passionate about the sport - their genetic limitation will never let them turn pro. And Mike is well above average when it comes to muscularity.

[tbombz]

its an undebatable fact of science that all humans are 99.9% identical in terms of DNA. and by DNA of course we are talking about the blue prints for the construction of the human body. so yes, the vast majority of people DO indeed have almost identical potential.

this is not to say that the vast majority of people are very similar to eachother in terms of how they express their potential in reality, but only that most people have similar possible future realities...

[kiwiol]

its an undebatable fact of science that all humans are 99.9% identical in terms of DNA. and by DNA of course we are talking about the blue prints for the construction of the human body. so yes, the vast majority of people DO indeed have almost identical potential.

this is not to say that the vast majority of people are very similar to eachother in terms of how they express their potential in reality, but only that most people have similar possible future realities...

LMAO! Humans and chimps have around 98% identical DNA, so are you saying we are almost identical to them potentially? As mentioned, the distribution of any trait follows the standard bell shaped curve, which is why 99.9% of humans aren't "almost identical" when it comes to things like height or brain power.

If we're talking about height, for example, you have some extremely tall people and some extremely short people, with the majority of the human population having an average height, which is further dependent (to a much lesser extent) on factors such as race, the environment they grew up in and so on.

Going by your logic, 99.9% of bodybuilders should look like Ronnie Coleman, because they all workout and juice and what not. But that's far from the truth. What you are doing is taking the genetic make up, which is FAR from being understood, and trying to correlate it to the phenotype of an organism (in this case, humans) and acting like nothing else comes into play, lol That's nothing more than a non-sequitur, cause it doesn't work that way.

[tom joad]

Bob Cicherillo is about as "average Joe" as it gets, but there are few who share Chic's desire and determination.  Thus Bobīs pro card can be attributed to his desire to devour copious amounts of drugs and his determination to don a glittery thong.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Bodybuilders are damn lazy when it comes to training. Who knows how big they could be if they really trained. Same with majority of trainers.

[Chick]

Bob Cicherillo is about as "average Joe" as it gets, but there are few who share Chic's desire and determination.  Thus Bobīs pro card can be attributed to his desire to devour copious amounts of drugs and his determination to don a glittery thong.

even in your lame attempt to be witty, you contradict yourself...I was far from "average Joe" as my photos from age 13 will support.

[wes]

BigBobs,the day you have a better physique than I do,I`ll leave this board for good.

Christ,you haven`t seen your abs in decades,skinny fat small arms,never posted a legshot,where`s your delts........should I go on?

Nasser is a has been by the way!