The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.

[Matt C]

I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough.    Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right?  

I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.

I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots.  

Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost.  No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo].  If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one.  The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something.  

[gordiano]

 

[calfzilla]

Are you really a racist Nazi or are those just vicious rumors?

[Matt C]

Are you really a racist Nazi or are those just vicious rumors?

I wouldn't call them vicious. 

[calfzilla]

I wouldn't call them vicious. 

Oh my.  So you are not a fan of this guy? 

[WillGrant]

Oh my.  So you are not a fan of this guy? 

He is white

[Matt C]

Oh my.  So you are not a fan of this guy? 

[calfzilla]

He is white

I know, that's what makes it such a great question.   

[Parker]

I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough.    Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right?  

I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.

I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots.  

Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost.  No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo].  If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one.  The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something.  

Well to Shawn Ray's defense. The Ironman has been what 10k-15k every yr. And its typically the first show of the year and is very popular...The Arnold has its backers and because of a certain rule, it can't make more than the Mr. O, which is why Arnold was throwing in a Hummer and a Rolex, to get around that. I think if he could Arnold would have the first place winner win 1 million dollars. this would force the supplement companies to cough up the dough and try and keep their top winner, or compete for dibs on the top winners.

I think the bbers are gonna take what the supps companies give, and the supps companies are only going to give what the bbers take. And they know bbers for the most part will stoop low enough to sell their assholes to just about anyone. So, this basicallys boils down to respect. You don't have respect for yourself (Derek Anthony) then repsect will not be given to you.

[G_Thang]

Well to Shawn Ray's defense. The Ironman has been what 10k-15k every yr. And its typically the first show of the year and is very popular...The Arnold has its backers and because of a certain rule, it can't make more than the Mr. O, which is why Arnold was throwing in a Hummer and a Rolex, to get around that. I think if he could Arnold would have the first place winner win 1 million dollars. this would force the supplement companies to cough up the dough and try and keep their top winner, or compete for dibs on the top winners.

I think the bbers are gonna take what the supps companies give, and the supps companies are only going to give what the bbers take. And they know bbers for the most part will stoop low enough to sell their assholes to just about anyone. So, this basicallys boils down to respect. You don't have respect for yourself (Derek Anthony) then repsect will not be given to you.

bbing is almost a side show at the arnold, and his partners wouldnt go for a 1 mil first prize.  would u pay jay culter 1mil for his so-called?  there is no rate of return.  think rbk dump shaq a while back cause he shoe was only half-a$$ selling at k-mart and they were giving him 2 mil for that. you'd eat every dime of it to give it to a guy in thongs.  sorry parker...F##K That.  arnold should give 199,999.  that still keeps them below Olympic.  maybe added another 100k show if it can be built up.  i always side put stallones name on it and see what happens.  maybe zane because of info-com he is doing? they other shows go to 20k if they can afford it.  

like shawn, met him as a kid at bulldog gym fullerton...but he does have a bit of a diva complex.  alot of success real earily.  shawn never had a real job either.  bbing right out of high school

outside of ronnie (i think he gave bsn name rec in the industry) n jay...does a company really get a return paying one of these guys $5k mth?  their money is made thru relationships with distrib n wholesales over the yrs to get their product out there.

[Parker]

bbing is almost a side show at the arnold, and his partners wouldnt go for a 1 mil first prize.  would u pay jay culter 1mil for his so-called?  there is no rate of return.  think rbk dump shaq a while back cause he shoe was only half-a$$ selling at k-mart and they were giving him 2 mil for that. you'd eat every dime of it to give it to a guy in thongs.  sorry parker...F##K That.  arnold should give 199,999.  that still keeps them below Olympic.  maybe added another 100k show if it can be built up.  i always side put stallones name on it and see what happens.  maybe zane because of info-com he is doing? they other shows go to 20k if they can afford it.  

like shawn, met him as a kid at bulldog gym fullerton...but he does have a bit of a diva complex.  alot of success real earily.  shawn never had a real job either.  bbing right out of high school

outside of ronnie (i think he gave bsn name rec in the industry) n jay...does a company really get a return paying one of these guys $5k mth?  their money is made thru relationships with distrib n wholesales over the yrs to get their product out there.

I think I should say  "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
 200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.   

[G_Thang]

I think I should say  "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
 200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.  

ok...if u get a reggie bush kind of guy dating a celeb chick...then maybe u pull that off.  but that guy....shawn ray...is retired now...since he was running with happy feet back in the day. x-games, surfers and bowlers have cable n public tv coverage so the dollars are there.  cough...maybe they get it to 500k for the winner.  without tv coverage it's a foolish financial move to front that much money to a bber.  in real  business they are cheap labor hr while a bmx star is CFO of the company...just look at it that way.    

[Bix]

I think I should say  "eventually", it would build up to 1 milli. Like Shawn Ray had said, surfers and BMX bikers make more than the winner of the Arnold.
 200K, then 250k, then 300k, etc, etc. Next 500k, and so on and so forth. Arnold's backers may not at this time with the economy the way it is would go for 1 milli top prize, but it has to be gradual, plus with Arnold's "charisma" and him making a "business case" for it. Also the one who wins, chances are will probably be someone in the Richard Jones mold, someone that they can promote.   

Promote to who?
Why does it has to be gradual?
No sense!

[jon cole]

I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough.    Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right?  

I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.

I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots.  

Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost.  No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo].  If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one.  The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something.  

one day, one of these guy will argue  "guys we're dying for you ! "

[jon cole]

bbing is almost a side show at the arnold, and his partners wouldnt go for a 1 mil first prize.  would u pay jay culter 1mil for his so-called?  there is no rate of return.  think rbk dump shaq a while back cause he shoe was only half-a$$ selling at k-mart and they were giving him 2 mil for that. you'd eat every dime of it to give it to a guy in thongs.  sorry parker...F##K That.  arnold should give 199,999.  that still keeps them below Olympic.  maybe added another 100k show if it can be built up.  i always side put stallones name on it and see what happens.  maybe zane because of info-com he is doing? they other shows go to 20k if they can afford it.  

like shawn, met him as a kid at bulldog gym fullerton...but he does have a bit of a diva complex.  alot of success real earily.  shawn never had a real job either.  bbing right out of high school

outside of ronnie (i think he gave bsn name rec in the industry) n jay...does a company really get a return paying one of these guys $5k mth?  their money is made thru relationships with distrib n wholesales over the yrs to get their product out there.

true, i never buy a brand because jay ron or john smith is on a jug of whey.

[Chick]

I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough.    Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right?  

I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.

I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots.  

Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost.  No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo].  If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one.  The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something.  

The ends have to justify the means...on both parts. Yes, Both Shawn and I complained that the prize money for the Ironman was stagnent, for 17 years. I think thats a valid claim to have for change to be initiated. The promoters cant really bith then when the calliber of competition isnt the best either...

That said, your argument could be used in any business then...and begins the decline in a "working relationship". I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?

[Cleanest Natural]

matt .. in the beginning I thought you were a cool dude and everyone picked on you


but then I started payin attention to what you said


between this gem of a thread and the blatant racism, I was wondering : does C stand for c.unt ?

[jon cole]

gypsie vs yankee part 1...

[JasonH]

I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough.    Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right?  

I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.

I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots.  

Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost.  No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo].  If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one.  The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something.  

I guess it all boils down to popularity and how much money can be brought into the sport as a result of that.

Pro bodybuilders will only be paid in accordance with how well the industry is doing as a whole - if the supplement companies and magazines are doing well, then they will be paid more sponsorship money and the companies in return will take on more athletes. However, the supplement complanies only do well when Joe Schmoe out on the street buys their products. And so it goes on.

There are plenty of revenue avenues within bodybuilding but eventually you reach a point of diminishing returns - you can't sponsor an athlete if the money isn't there to do it. It's the same in pretty much every sport or even in private industry.

[jwb]

The problem for the guys is the internet makes it hard for them to make money outside of contracts.

Back in the day you had mailorder courses which was how the top guys made good money... mentzer made $200k in one year selling heavy duty booklets I read somewhere.

In the 80's major publishers actually put out books by bodybuilders... bob paris made out like a bandit on his first book.

When training videos first came out a guy could do well off it but now it's on a torrent site in hours for free.

Having said that it appears many bbers waste their money pretty badly today... arnold was smart he got a loan to buy a small apartment complex and lived in one of the apartments and started investing from there.

[Marty Champions]

yes good point matt c i always laugh at these bbers who feel entitled to a master physique so they juice there brains out only to lose all there hair and have a moon face

[Parker]

Promote to who?
Why does it has to be gradual?
No sense!

"promote" to the mainstream---or a sliver of the mainstream. But with the whole roids witch hunt and Juan Dixon's situation, that theory is moot.
If you are making 500k at the Arnold, you gaurantee Arnold had something to do about it, you are gonna have to promote something, I don't know, chewing gum, something. Also it is always gradual. If you look at the Arnold Classic top place price money, I believe it first started out at 80-90k, then 100k, and so on, then the Hummer was added, then the Rolex.

[Cleanest Natural]

gypsie vs yankee and the bitch cheerleader part 1...

fixed

[Mr. Magoo]

The ends have to justify the means...on both parts. Yes, Both Shawn and I complained that the prize money for the Ironman was stagnent, for 17 years. I think thats a valid claim to have for change to be initiated. The promoters cant really bith then when the calliber of competition isnt the best either...

That said, your argument could be used in any business then...and begins the decline in a "working relationship". I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?

Epic use of a cheap Machiavelli summary to justify your point

[BayGBM]

It is not just bodybuilders.  Everyone feels entitled these days; every one thinks they deserve more money—and to some degree they resent others who make more.  If you think you a worth more then leave… and go get it.  You can easily be replaced.