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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2010, 06:11:34 AM »
Nevermind...your second question sums it all up.


what does it sum up bob?

oh yeah..i forgot..i'm supposed to know about every second rate syringe puncher right...

mark dugdale is so well known...

again..bob shows is childish side when someone brings up the hypocrisy of bodybuilding...

hey pal...i never poked myself with drugs..if that's a sore point with you...maybe you should go tell a priest.
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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2010, 06:16:57 AM »

what does it sum up bob?

oh yeah..i forgot..i'm supposed to know about every second rate syringe puncher right...

mark dugdale is so well known...

again..bob shows is childish side when someone brings up the hypocrisy of bodybuilding...

hey pal...i never poked myself with drugs..if that's a sore point with you...maybe you should go tell a priest.


Its obviously a sore point with YOU, as you seem intent on bringing it up...I didnt come here ragging on guys who DONT use steroids....why do you care what other people do that has absolutely zero impact on you?

Talk about hypocrisy...

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2010, 06:24:08 AM »

Its obviously a sore point with YOU, as you seem intent on bringing it up...I didnt come here ragging on guys who DONT use steroids....why do you care what other people do that has absolutely zero impact on you?

Talk about hypocrisy...


who is a hypocrite? i just made a commen sense statement.  I didn't say it was wrong...i just said how does one employ a man as a police officer who obviously is using things other than creatine and whey protein to win multiple olympia titles..most of which is illegal.  how does that look when big ron coleman walks up to a stoolie on the street slinging marijuana and arrests him for doing just what deputy coleman is doing behind closed doors? that's hypocrisy.  its a double standard bob...and if i was arrested by a guy who was buying illegal substances...doesn't that throw the whole justice system for a loop?  how can anyone get justice if the very people they are entrusting their safety and constitutional rights too..are they, themselves, criminals.  think about it bobby...
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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2010, 06:25:00 AM »
I think that chick is a smart guy who has made alot of coin fro
 bb. My problem is with all these jackass pros that lease an expensive ass car that's way over their budget in an attempt to make everyone think they're rich.  In reality they live in some shit box apartment and are 3 months behind on rent. Bodybuilding, both on the pro and amateur ranks is filled with 30 thousand dollar millionaires.

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2010, 06:31:16 AM »

who is a hypocrite? i just made a commen sense statement.  I didn't say it was wrong...i just said how does one employ a man as a police officer who obviously is using things other than creatine and whey protein to win multiple olympia titles..most of which is illegal.  how does that look when big ron coleman walks up to a stoolie on the street slinging marijuana and arrests him for doing just what deputy coleman is doing behind closed doors? that's hypocrisy.  its a double standard bob...and if i was arrested by a guy who was buying illegal substances...doesn't that throw the whole justice system for a loop?  how can anyone get justice if the very people they are entrusting their safety and constitutional rights too..are they, themselves, criminals.  think about it bobby...

Once again, you fail to see the obvious...the fact you bring it up, and response to me , makes it obvious you have a hard on for guys that use steroids. As for what Ronnie did or didnt do, thats not really a concern of yours either, is it?  You're the kind of guy who would get pulled over for speeding and then start bitchin to the cop about how you "pay his salary", etc...which I'm sure would get you off without a ticket...

If you have a perscription for pot, then you arent breaking the law...same with steroids. You dont have a clue as to what Ronnie was or wasnt doing, or by what means he did...


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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2010, 06:32:38 AM »
good posts rocky

chick youre in over your head as usual here-just move to another thread
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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2010, 06:33:01 AM »
I guess if the people working in factory A dont like their wage, well, they should just get another job, right?

That's ludicrous. Factory's responsibility to pay every worker exactly what he/she wants.

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2010, 06:38:13 AM »
Shawn Ray and Bob are businessmen. Their names should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as some of those other bodybuilders. They made the most out of their physiques and now they provide value to the bodybuilding world in any capitalistic, entrepreneurial way they can.

Good for them.

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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2010, 06:44:12 AM »
Once again, you fail to see the obvious...the fact you bring it up, and response to me , makes it obvious you have a hard on for guys that use steroids. As for what Ronnie did or didnt do, thats not really a concern of yours either, is it?  You're the kind of guy who would get pulled over for speeding and then start bitchin to the cop about how you "pay his salary", etc...which I'm sure would get you off without a ticket...

If you have a perscription for pot, then you arent breaking the law...same with steroids. You dont have a clue as to what Ronnie was or wasnt doing, or by what means he did...




yes bob...and everyone who smokes pot has a prescription for it...correct? good argument...i'll move on because you sound ignorant.

i have no hard on for anyone..someone brought up the entitlement complex of bodybuilders and i chimed in...ronnie was obviously (well, to everyone but you) using PEDs...i just thought it pretty hypocritical to walk around and enforce the laws yet turning a blind eye towards his obvious usage of PEDs--because every normal person is able to walk around at 300lbs..shredded to the bone... with 22 inch arms...---

No..every speeding ticket i got..i deserved...and paid.  

and please don't take me for an ignorant teenager...we all know that bodybuilders don't have prescriptions for the stuff they use...let's be honest here bob...you can save your smoke blowing for the bodybuilding magazines.
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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2010, 06:51:09 AM »

yes bob...and everyone who smokes pot has a prescription for it...correct? good argument...i'll move on because you sound ignorant.

i have no hard on for anyone..someone brought up the entitlement complex of bodybuilders and i chimed in...ronnie was obviously (well, to everyone but you) using PEDs...i just thought it pretty hypocritical to walk around and enforce the laws yet turning a blind eye towards his obvious usage of PEDs--because every normal person is able to walk around at 300lbs..shredded to the bone... with 22 inch arms...---

No..every speeding ticket i got..i deserved...and paid.  

and please don't take me for an ignorant teenager...we all know that bodybuilders don't have prescriptions for the stuff they use...let's be honest here bob...you can save your smoke blowing for the bodybuilding magazines.

Ignorant?  You didnt even get it, genius...no, everyone doesnt have a prescription for pot, so when they get busted, they pay the price...as its illegal without one... same with steroids...GET IT?

What the officer is or isnt doing has NO BEARING on what you're geting arrested for, fool.... maybe he smokes pot in his spare time, beats his wife, speeds on the highway....you can speculate all day long.

No wonder you're getting taken for an ignorant teenager, you talk like one

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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2010, 07:04:22 AM »
Ignorant?  You didnt even get it, genius...no, everyone doesnt have a prescription for pot, so when they get busted, they pay the price...as its illegal without one... same with steroids...GET IT?

What the officer is or isnt doing has NO BEARING on what you're geting arrested for, fool.... maybe he smokes pot in his spare time, beats his wife, speeds on the highway....you can speculate all day long.

No wonder you're getting taken for an ignorant teenager, you talk like one


It sure does have a bearing on what I am getting arrested for...it's called corruption...Look it up-corruption in any form erodes the public's confidence in a fair criminal justice system...take a look at the la riots..the la riots happened because some cops were acquitted of beating a suspected criminal...to some in the black community it looked like the cops were getting special treatment  (or special entitlements--)--
if i am arrested for dealing drugs by cops who are they themselves dealing or using drugs i can walk into court and use that fact to accuse the arresting cop of framing or setting me up to rid himself of any competition...put something like that to a jury that has witness instances of police entitlements and i would walk out of court a free man..unpunished for my transgressions.  If the crime fighting elements of society aren't held up to a higher standard then they are not capable of enforcing the laws of the land.

now...you can plug big ron coleman in the part of the crooked cop and you can see my point.

no hard on...just common sense.
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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2010, 09:29:28 AM »

true, i never buy a brand because jay ron or john smith is on a jug of whey.

Me too, BUT you will be suprised by the amount of people who buy supplements which top bbers promoting them.

I think in the long run people tend to trust brands which market and do well.

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2010, 09:36:02 AM »
Rockyfortune is right on this one

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2010, 10:08:18 AM »

It sure does have a bearing on what I am getting arrested for...it's called corruption...Look it up-corruption in any form erodes the public's confidence in a fair criminal justice system...take a look at the la riots..the la riots happened because some cops were acquitted of beating a suspected criminal...to some in the black community it looked like the cops were getting special treatment  (or special entitlements--)--
if i am arrested for dealing drugs by cops who are they themselves dealing or using drugs i can walk into court and use that fact to accuse the arresting cop of framing or setting me up to rid himself of any competition...put something like that to a jury that has witness instances of police entitlements and i would walk out of court a free man..unpunished for my transgressions.  If the crime fighting elements of society aren't held up to a higher standard then they are not capable of enforcing the laws of the land.

now...you can plug big ron coleman in the part of the crooked cop and you can see my point.

no hard on...just common sense.

So, your basis for this rant is the idea that you THINK, He's breaking the law?  Because YOU believe he's breaking the law, it must be true...the rest of your little senario is laughable at best...

If the arresting officer had a traffic ticket in another jurisdiction, does that render him incapable or unfit to give YOU one? 

Lets assume big Ron had a prescription for anything he was doing....NOW WHAT?

You sound like a damn fool.


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« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2010, 11:14:10 AM »
So, your basis for this rant is the idea that you THINK, He's breaking the law?  Because YOU believe he's breaking the law, it must be true...the rest of your little senario is laughable at best...

If the arresting officer had a traffic ticket in another jurisdiction, does that render him incapable or unfit to give YOU one?  

Lets assume big Ron had a prescription for anything he was doing....NOW WHAT?

You sound like a damn fool.




i won't assume anything as silly as what you suggest about ron coleman having scripts for his stuff...

no...a traffic ticket is not a a misdemeanor or felony..they are called summary offenses and are not criminal activities...possessing or buying substances which "most'' pro level bodybuilders use would count as criminal activities...

it's no rant...you are ranting.

bob..you are going down for the third time...
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« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2010, 12:17:32 PM »
Lets assume big Ron had a prescription for anything he was doing....NOW WHAT?

You sound like a damn fool.



We don't need to assume anything, Big Ron didn't have a prescription for every illegal drug he used. End of story. Why the need for the constant BS on this issue? And the items he may have had an Rx for were in a lot of cases illegal anyway. A script adds some insulation but it doesn't make it totally legal. Do you want me to post some recent examples of news about cops being fired for having "legit HRT scripts"? Do you want me to post the news about Big Ron being investigated in a Life Extension pharm bust a few years ago?

You cannot do Pro BB 100% legally in the US. It's no assumption but fact.

Funny that you are also involved with a company suspected of distributing illegal anabolic steroids as supplements. I say "suspected" since there's been no trial yet. But even the supplement companies selling these items have openly debated the legality of this on the bb.com forums and everyone has agreed that it's a very very gray area - at best. Which is why the big companies don't sell these items = they know it's illegal.

Pro bodybuilding involves illegal drug use, no one can seriously claim the opposite.

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2010, 12:24:46 PM »

i won't assume anything as silly as what you suggest about ron coleman having scripts for his stuff...

no...a traffic ticket is not a a misdemeanor or felony..they are called summary offenses and are not criminal activities...possessing or buying substances which "most'' pro level bodybuilders use would count as criminal activities...

it's no rant...you are ranting.

bob..you are going down for the third time...

Thats funny, there was no going down the first or second time....you wont assume he did, but automatically assume he didnt have whatever he was using legally.....smart argument. You're dealing in pure speculation, and have to make such a stupid claim to try and justify your argument.

The point is still the same concerning whatever level of infraction were talking about....of course, that doesnt make any sense to you either

So...you live in Texas, get busted by Officer Coleman for peddling weed, and your argument to the judge is to point your finger to the arresting officer exclaiming that you believe its unjust as you THINK he's doing steroids....LOL.

You would get laughed out of court, much as your getting laughed at here...


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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2010, 12:37:53 PM »
I laughed when Shawn Ray used to whine about bodybuilders who competed at the Ironman being oppressed because they weren't being paid enough.  ;D  Yeah, because someone is forcing them to step on stage and compete for peanuts right?  ::)

I laughed when Victor Martinez commented that bodybuilding.com should give money back to the bodybuilders because they are so successful.

I laughed when Steve Namat and GetItOnNY made similar comments that successful supplement companies should sponsor athletes bodybuilders with more money or that MD should pay money for photo shoots.  ::)

Please - if you don't like the terms then just get lost.  No one is forcing you to be a bodybuilder and to step on stage in a greasy thong and pose [no homo].  If you don't like the lack of money in the industry you are free to find another one.  The audacity of these guys talking about getting paid more by private businesses as if it is a human right or something.  :-X

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2010, 01:26:34 PM »
Any worker who is part of a successful organization and is a key part of that success has reason and justification to try to get more money if he thinks his value to the organization is under rated.  I have no sympathy for people who work for companies that are losing money who think they should be paid more.  So if the supplement companies or contest promoters are barely breaking-even, then bodybuilders associated with those companies or contests should forget about getting more money.   But if those organizations are raking in the cash, and the bodybuilders who are integral to their success feel they are not getting adequate compensation for their contribution, they have every right to try to get more.  Sure, one approach is to just quit.  If enough bodybuilders did that, the owners / promoters might be forced into paying more.   But smart employees who feel undervalued by their employer will first approach their supervisor, explain their contribution to the organization, and ask for more money – and believe it or not, sometimes they get what they ask for.  Other workers who feel exploited will form a union and/or try to publicly shame their employer into treating them better.  I don’t see anything wrong with that.  Public shaming only works if you can convince people that you really are being exploited.  Obviously many people on this board don’t believe that bodybuilders are being exploited, but since the subject keeps coming up over and over and over again, clearly there are others who believe they are.

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #69 on: February 16, 2010, 02:44:54 PM »
The power rests in the bodybuilders hands, if they want to get paid more they will have to be willing to delay immediate rewards for bigger later rewards. In other words willing to, in unison step back from competing or repping companies until they get more money.


Of course this might back fire as supplements companies can use other types of athletes to promote their product, with the high likely-hood of greater sales success. Of course there is a direct market for guys that want to get huge.This might also back fire because their will likely be other up and coming bodybuilders ready to compete or rep the supplement companies for the same or less cash.


Many bodybuilders do not compete for money, at least initially, I would say the main reasons are for fame, glory, trophies, ego, etc.


Then there are bodybuilders that compete to overcome some self-esteem issue in their past. For these bodybuilders they don't compete for money but for acceptance. This type is probably more likely to be manipulated in the game [gfp, excessive anabolic use, etc..]


the business smart bodybuilders, the ones with the higher self esteem tend to make better business decisions, and not just go for getting on a magazine cover as sufficient payment. Magazine coverage is fine initially but after a while, most would like to get paid for their efforts. It really comes down to self esteem and what the bodybuilder will except and what he/she things they are worth.


Bodybuilders with higher self esteem and more business savy like Yates, Cutler, Coleman, Gaspari, Labrada, Murray, etc. seem to make better decisions. If more bodybuilders studied business and stuck to their guns then the supp companies would be more likely to pay higher. The supp companies probably don't respect most bodybuilders.


If bodybuilders want more respect they will have to demand it and if it's not gotten then be willing to step away.


Another important point is that other pro athletes [yeah you don't think that bodybuilders are athletes]
have agents that help them negotiate their contracts. Maybe that is what bodybuilders need but it unlikely as the money in the sport is lon the low side right now.

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #70 on: February 16, 2010, 03:09:22 PM »
Bodybuilding was better when it wasn't really about money at all. I think that adds to the greatness of the early times. It wasn't about a dollar, it was competition. .



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all this bullshit started when these lazy fuckers 'became pro's and stopped working regular jobs, I think it was around the mid 80's that this whole mess started and this whole 'living' the dream fantasy of doing nothing but working out, eating and sleeping..

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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #71 on: February 16, 2010, 03:54:59 PM »
Rocky, there is no need to argue with Chick about the issue.

Chick is clearly stating that there are ways of getting around the law.  In other words, purchasing steroids off the street is illegal, but if you have a medical condition that validates your getting a prescription for steroids (say low testosterone levels warranting Hormone replacement therapy), then you can potentially have your cake and eat it too.

If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.

Is it morally correct to outsmart the system?  No. 

Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.

An example, say you get a parking ticket for parking at a "NO STANDING" zone.  Later that day, you read through your ticket and realize that the parking official wrote a faulty description of your car (wrong make, year, color etc..).  You go to court, use the facts against the metermaid and the judge throws the case out.  You win.

Regardless of the technicalities, were you right in parking where you did? No.

Did you beat the system? Yes.

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« Reply #72 on: February 16, 2010, 04:31:03 PM »
If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.
 
Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.

I'm not sure that's true in every instance, but that's beside the point, there is no way Ron or any pro had a prescription for every drug he used for bodybuilding.

Here is one example of a cop who bought prescribed "legal" steroids from an "HRT" doctor:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/02/jury_finds_cleveland_police_li.html

Yes the laws are stupid but there's no way you can do pro bb in the US completely legally.


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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #73 on: February 16, 2010, 04:51:50 PM »
Rocky, there is no need to argue with Chick about the issue.

Chick is clearly stating that there are ways of getting around the law.  In other words, purchasing steroids off the street is illegal, but if you have a medical condition that validates your getting a prescription for steroids (say low testosterone levels warranting Hormone replacement therapy), then you can potentially have your cake and eat it too.

If big Ron had a prescription allowing him access to steroids, then he is clear of breaking any laws.

Is it morally correct to outsmart the system?  No.  

Does it mean that by outsmarting the system you broke the law? No.

An example, say you get a parking ticket for parking at a "NO STANDING" zone.  Later that day, you read through your ticket and realize that the parking official wrote a faulty description of your car (wrong make, year, color etc..).  You go to court, use the facts against the metermaid and the judge throws the case out.  You win.

Regardless of the technicalities, were you right in parking where you did? No.

Did you beat the system? Yes.

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quite a coincidence that all these guys with low test happen to make their professional living bodybuilding...that's not getting around the law..that's breaking the law..because i'm sure a legit doctor would turn and run when confronted by some bodybuilder asking for RX's for bodybuilding drugs.

your example is comparing apples and oranges...i'm talking about getting illegal drugs and you are talking about parking tickets.  sure, someone can buy drugs..get arrested and get off on a technicality...in the eyes of the court system he isn't guilty..but did he break a law? yes..he did. and when you have guys like ronnie coleman who (let's be honest here) uses illegal PEDs and then walks around with a badge i'd say that's quite hypocritical and a common complaint among our citizenry..that law enforcement gets a pass when breaking laws.
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Re: The entitlement complex of some bodybuilders.
« Reply #74 on: February 16, 2010, 04:55:24 PM »
bob putting his foot in his mouth ...........again........ ...as ussual