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World May Not Be Warming, Say Scientists

Sunday Times

The United Nations climate panel faces a new challenge from scientists casting doubt on its claim that global temperatures are rising inexorably because of human pollution.

The predicted temperature changes due to global warming, based on data from the Hadley Centre that some scientists now question.
The United Nations climate panel faces a new challenge with scientists casting doubt on its claim that global temperatures are rising inexorably because of human pollution.

In its last assessment, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said the evidence that the world was warming was "unequivocal." It warned that greenhouse gases had already heated the world by 0.7C and that there could be 5C-6C more warming by 2100, with devastating impacts on humanity and wildlife.

New research casts doubt on such claims, however. Some even suggest the world may not be warming much at all.

"The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change," said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, a former lead author on the IPCC. The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.

These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanization, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site. Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, California and Alabama.

"The story is the same for each one," he said. "The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development."

The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report. The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.

"We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC's climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialization and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias," he said.

Such warnings are supported by a study of U.S. weather stations co-written by Anthony Watts, an American meteorologist and climate change sceptic.

His study, which has not been peer reviewed, is illustrated with photographs of weather stations in locations where their readings are distorted by heat-generating equipment. Some are next to air-conditioning units or are on waste treatment plants. One of the most infamous: a weather station next to a waste incinerator

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These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanization, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site. Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, California and Alabama.

"The story is the same for each one," he said. "The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development."

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Seeing this slow death of this farce is such a wonderful sight to see. 

I have said Globalist Warming was a sham from day 1 and I am just giddy to see its actual demise so soon. 


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I think this is a pretty important article...surprised not more reaction.  Good to see scientists being able to publically question the research methods, as they are finding more mistakes.

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Where is TA and the other posters who continue to believe this scam?

TA, at this point you need more faith to believe in "climate change" than is needed to believe in God.


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Yes a good idea lets put a weather station next to a incinerator or an cooling unit ::) Why aren't these asshats being dragged throught streets being pelted with rotten vegetables?
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Yes a good idea lets put a weather station next to a incinerator or an cooling unit ::) Why aren't these asshats being dragged throught streets being pelted with rotten vegetables?

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So lets see what actually causes the earth to get warmer or cooler, if it isn't CO2 then what is it? Water Vapor, yes, water vapor. But you see there is no way to regulate/tax that.
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World May Not Be Warming, Say Scientists

Sunday Times

The United Nations climate panel faces a new challenge from scientists casting doubt on its claim that global temperatures are rising inexorably because of human pollution.

The predicted temperature changes due to global warming, based on data from the Hadley Centre that some scientists now question.
The United Nations climate panel faces a new challenge with scientists casting doubt on its claim that global temperatures are rising inexorably because of human pollution.

In its last assessment, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said the evidence that the world was warming was "unequivocal." It warned that greenhouse gases had already heated the world by 0.7C and that there could be 5C-6C more warming by 2100, with devastating impacts on humanity and wildlife.

New research casts doubt on such claims, however. Some even suggest the world may not be warming much at all.

"The temperature records cannot be relied on as indicators of global change," said John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, a former lead author on the IPCC. The doubts of Christy and a number of other researchers focus on the thousands of weather stations around the world, which have been used to collect temperature data over the past 150 years.

These stations, they believe, have been seriously compromised by factors such as urbanization, changes in land use and, in many cases, being moved from site to site. Christy has published research papers looking at these effects in three different regions: east Africa, California and Alabama.

"The story is the same for each one," he said. "The popular data sets show a lot of warming but the apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development."

The IPCC faces similar criticisms from Ross McKitrick, professor of economics at the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited by the panel to review its last report. The experience turned him into a strong critic and he has since published a research paper questioning its methods.

"We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC's climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialization and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias," he said.

Such warnings are supported by a study of U.S. weather stations co-written by Anthony Watts, an American meteorologist and climate change sceptic.

His study, which has not been peer reviewed, is illustrated with photographs of weather stations in locations where their readings are distorted by heat-generating equipment. Some are next to air-conditioning units or are on waste treatment plants. One of the most infamous: a weather station next to a waste incinerator

His study is NOT peer reviewed and Christy, whom this article is about, also supports the AGU declaration and is convinced that human activities are one cause of the global warming that has been measured.

I don`t see your point in posting this article as it does nothing to further your case of denial.

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Just give it up TA - this is the main guy and even he is admitting this whole thing is based on garbage evidence. 

How does it feel knowing your newly adopted religion has been proven as fraudulent as those you mock?   

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Here you go Shootfighter and other denialists:

Here is an Article on Christy from an interview he conducted.  John Christy is the one mentioned in Shootfighter`s article that does nothing to further denialism.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/12/18/MNGNV3PH9D1.DTL&type=printable
 Another significant signer was John Christy, director of the University of Alabama's Earth Systems Science Center, a more cautious supporter of the idea that humans are causing climate change.

In a phone interview, Christy said that while he supports the AGU declaration, and is convinced that human activities are the major cause of the global warming

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That's one way to put it ::). An accurate way to put it would be he disagrees with most all the current model and thinks that global warming will cause positive changes in the environment.

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=903#src15
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Yes a good idea lets put a weather station next to a incinerator or an cooling unit ::) Why aren't these asshats being dragged throught streets being pelted with rotten vegetables?

LOL!

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The only one denying anything is you TA, that this entire bogus theory was based on fraud from day 1 and have been exposed as nothing more than junk science at best.  

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Just give it up TA - this is the main guy and even he is admitting this whole thing is based on garbage evidence. 

How does it feel knowing your newly adopted religion has been proven as fraudulent as those you mock?   
That doesn`t make any sense.

John Christy is convinced that human activities are the major cause of the global warming.


Tell me how John Christy helps further Denialism.  Shootfighter should not have posted that article as Christy is NOT a denier.  

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333, I'm not siding with either argument but do you think the ever-increasing amount of pollution put out on this planet is ok, something to be worried about or not a problem at all?

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John Christy supports Global Warming and also recognizes that humans are the major cause.

You deniers are the total opposite.

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333, I'm not siding with either argument but do you think the ever-increasing amount of pollution put out on this planet is ok, something to be worried about or not a problem at all?

I think a certain amount of pollution is fine considering the negative impact of shutting down all these industries the geen zealots target would have.  They are like 10 y/o in their mentaility thinking that shutting off all pollution will result in some type of nirvana socially, economically, etc.    

People can live with a little pollution, they cant live without income, food, and shelter.  

Until the green nazis like TA own up to that fact, they will continue to be rightfully the hysterical uninformed joke that they are.    
 

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The only one denying anything is you TA, that this entire bogus theory was based on fraud from day 1 and have been exposed as nothing more than junk science at best.  

So you must think John Christy, the subject in this article is wrong since he supports Global Warming and recognizes that humans are a major cause?

Shootfighter probably shouldn`t have confused you.


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John Christy supports Global Warming and also recognizes that humans are the major cause.

You deniers are the total opposite.

And you are a joke for ignoring the obvious flaws in the data, the crumbling credibility of supporters like yourself, and the daily admissions of fraud by the main proponents of this fraudulent nonsense to begin with.  

Its not science TA, its your religion.  Think about it.    

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And you are a joke for ignoring the obvious flaws in the data, the crumbling credibility of supporters like yourself, and the daily admissions of fraud by the main proponents of this fraudulent nonsense to begin with.  

Its not science TA, its your religion.  Think about it.    
So you think Jesus the dead zombie or the magical sky god or some other entity is in charge of regulating and determining Climate since you don`t think it is a valid Science.  This is the only alternative to Science - Supernatural thinking.


So just what do you believe is at play here since you don`t believe that Climatology is a science and it therefore is a Supernatural force?

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So you think Jesus the dead zombie or the magical sky god or some other entity is in charge of regulating and determining Climate since you don`t think it is a valid Science.  This is the only alternative to Supernatural thinking.


So just what do you believe is at play here since you don`t believe that Climatology is a science and it therefore is a Supernatural force?

The usual True Anus tactic of trying to change the direction of the discussion, nice try but no cigar
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So you think Jesus the dead zombie or the magical sky god or some other entity is in charge of regulating and determining Climate since you don`t think it is a valid Science.  This is the only alternative to Supernatural thinking.


So just what do you believe is at play here since you don`t believe that Climatology is a science and it therefore is a Supernatural force?

Have I ever supported organized religion?  Yes or no?  

Second, did it ever dawn on you that the earth is BILLIONS of years old and goes through cycles that have nothing to do with us?  

Third, did it ever dawn on you that even if your precious global warming were in fact true, that changing light bulbs, giving Goldman Sachs a carbon trading market, and driving Toyota prius's is likely to have ZERO impact whatsoever?  

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The usual True Anus tactic of trying to change the direction of the discussion, nice try but no cigar
How is this changing the discussion?

Shootfighter posted a bunk article that claimed no Global Warming which cited John Christy who clearly SUPPORTS Global Warming and cites Human Activity as a MAJOR cause.

Perhaps Shootfighter did not realize the article is poorly written.  It makes no sense to claim that Global Warming is not happening and then using someone who fully Supports Global Warming.

Do you not see a little problem there?  

Shootfighter messed up and did not do any research before he posted that.  However, whoever wrote that article REALLY was misinformed.  

You can`t deny this one.

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How is this changing the discussion?

Shootfighter posted a bunk article that claimed no Global Warming which cited John Christy who clearly SUPPORTS Global Warming and cites Human Activity as a MAJOR cause.

Perhaps Shootfighter did not realize the article is poorly written.  It makes no sense to claim that Global Warming is not happening and then using someone who fully Supports Global Warming.

Do you not see a little problem there?  

Shootfighter messed up and did not do any research before he posted that.  However, whoever wrote that article REALLY was misinformed.  

You can`t deny this one.

Ill refer you to to my earlier post about Christy, he may support MMGW, but he thinks it is a good thing.
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