Sen. Durbin DESTROYS Republican Arguments on Malpractice Reform

[The True Adonis]

[Skip8282]

That was actually a great speech by Durbin, but he's just saying the same thing which is essentially they're not going work with the Republicans.

Here's the thing, let's agree that the issue of Tort reform is small and will only provide a nominal savings.  Then why not meet the Republicans half way?  Make a partial tort reform.  The Dems know it's a major sticking point.  They agree it's small.  So why not compromise a little?  Neither side wants to give up shit, it's ridiculous.

[The True Adonis]

That was actually a great speech by Durbin, but he's just saying the same thing which is essentially they're not going work with the Republicans.

Here's the thing, let's agree that the issue of Tort reform is small and will only provide a nominal savings.  Then why not meet the Republicans half way?  Make a partial tort reform.  The Dems know it's a major sticking point.  They agree it's small.  So why not compromise a little?  Neither side wants to give up shit, it's ridiculous.

What would be the point?  All this would do is reduce patients rights with no real savings.

[Skip8282]

What would be the point?

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[The True Adonis]

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Just For the sake of Compromise?  Thats seems rather stupid and pointless when all it would do is put the boot even tighter on the neck of the patient for no real reason other than a minuscule "political victory" while the rights of the patient further dwindle.

Stupid idea.

[Skip8282]

Not for the sake of compromise.  To get the bill passed to help a greater # of people.  Not all Republican ideas are bad.  You're attitude is exactly why this bill is fucked up, bogged down, filled with pork, biased, and sitting dead in the water right now.

As long as the Dems continue to say we "must" have this or we "must" have that, nothing is going to change. 

Wake up, grow up, and deal with the political realities of life.

[The True Adonis]

Not for the sake of compromise.  To get the bill passed to help a greater # of people.  Not all Republican ideas are bad.  You're attitude is exactly why this bill is fucked up, bogged down, filled with pork, biased, and sitting dead in the water right now.

As long as the Dems continue to say we "must" have this or we "must" have that, nothing is going to change. 

Wake up, grow up, and deal with the political realities of life.

How is limiting patients rights while not saving anything a good idea?

[Skip8282]

You're trying to frame this as a something for nothing issue.  If the Dems want there healthcare bill passed, they're going to have to include Republican ideas. 

What don't you understand?

Not, what don't you agree with.  What don't you understand?

[The True Adonis]

You're trying to frame this as a something for nothing issue.  If the Dems want there healthcare bill passed, they're going to have to include Republican ideas. 

What don't you understand?

Not, what don't you agree with.  What don't you understand?

A dumb and worthless idea is a dumb and worthless idea no matter who or what party thought of it.  Including something that benefits nobody and is an overwhelming detriment does not serve anyone well.  There is no point to include garbage just because a differing side thought of it.


Again, that is just stupid.

[Skip8282]

A dumb and worthless idea is a dumb and worthless idea no matter who or what party thought of it.  Including something that benefits nobody and is an overwhelming detriment does not serve anyone well.  There is no point to include garbage just because a differing side thought of it.


Again, that is just stupid.

The only thing stupid is you clowns unwilling to compromise and killing the entire healthcare bill fucking over everybody.  This bill doesn't have to die, it can be fixed.

[MCWAY]

The only thing stupid is you clowns unwilling to compromise and killing the entire healthcare bill fucking over everybody.  This bill doesn't have to die, it can be fixed.

The American people want it DEAD, by a margin of nearly 3-to-1. So kill the thing and start from scratch.

[The True Adonis]

The only thing stupid is you clowns unwilling to compromise and killing the entire healthcare bill fucking over everybody.  This bill doesn't have to die, it can be fixed.

Hey, I don`t support the current bill and I can certainly recognize a worthless and pointless idea when I see one.  Including something just for the sake of including it is a travesty and you should not stand for it.  That only opens the door for more half-rate measures and terrible ideas.

In the end, Single Payer is the only solution as the rest of the industrialized 1st world already realizes and operates on.  The majority of Republicans and Democrats are not there yet because of the stranglehold of corporate interests on the people and on the government.

[Skip8282]

The American people want it DEAD, by a margin of nearly 3-to-1. So kill the thing and start from scratch.

The American people overwhelmingly want reform, and that's what this bill could be.


Hey, I threw your name out as a possible right leaning mod for the forum, in the other thread.  You up for something like that?  Don't always agree with you, but you seem to be pretty level headed.

[Skip8282]

Hey, I don`t support the current bill and I can certainly recognize a worthless and pointless idea when I see one.  Including something just for the sake of including it is a travesty and you should not stand for it.  That only opens the door for more half-rate measures and terrible ideas.

In the end, Single Payer is the only solution as the rest of the industrialized 1st world already realizes and operates on.  The majority of Republicans and Democrats are not there yet because of the stranglehold of corporate interests on the people and on the government.

That's called reality, grow up and deal with it.  Nothing's going to happen overnight.  Healthcare reform can be done in smaller steps, it can be done with great ideas from both sides, and everybody can benefit.  But nothing's going to happen if nobody makes any compromise.

[MCWAY]

The American people overwhelmingly want reform, and that's what this bill could be.

Well, the Obama administration needs better PR or something, because the American people ain't buying it, as far as this bill is concerned.

Hey, I threw your name out as a possible right leaning mod for the forum, in the other thread.  You up for something like that?  Don't always agree with you, but you seem to be pretty level headed.

I haven't really considered it. I don't know if I'd have the time.

[The True Adonis]

That's called reality, grow up and deal with it.  Nothing's going to happen overnight.  Healthcare reform can be done in smaller steps, it can be done with great ideas from both sides, and everybody can benefit.  But nothing's going to happen if nobody makes any compromise.

I don`t agree.  Compromise can certainly be a waste of time, especially when you are compromising on something that is not beneficial to anyone and does nothing to address any problem in the short term and especially in the long term.

Compromising on a steaming pile of shit doesn`t make it smell any better.

[Skip8282]

Well, the Obama administration needs better PR or something, because the American people ain't buying it, as far as this bill is concerned.

That's because this bill isn't reform.  It's a monstrosity that hooks up corporations, healthcare providers, Big Pharma, Unions, etc.

But, with some compromise it could be a great reform bill.

[Skip8282]

I don`t agree.  Compromise can certainly be a waste of time, especially when you are compromising on something that is not beneficial to anyone and does nothing to address any problem in the short term and especially in the long term.

Compromising on a steaming pile of shit doesn`t make it smell any better.

Compromise is beneficial because it will help get desperately needed reform passed which benefits everyone, not a select few.  Smaller steps, not giant leaps, will be far more effective.

[MCWAY]

That's because this bill isn't reform.  It's a monstrosity that hooks up corporations, healthcare providers, Big Pharma, Unions, etc.

But, with some compromise it could be a great reform bill.

Then put the bill out of its misery and start from scratch, as the bulk of Americans want.

[Soul Crusher]

Hey, I don`t support the current bill and I can certainly recognize a worthless and pointless idea when I see one.  Including something just for the sake of including it is a travesty and you should not stand for it.  That only opens the door for more half-rate measures and terrible ideas.

In the end, Single Payer is the only solution as the rest of the industrialized 1st world already realizes and operates on.  The majority of Republicans and Democrats are not there yet because of the stranglehold of corporate interests on the people and on the government.

Maybe you dont read too many business sites TA.  Europe is near collapse due to the massive debt problems due to their socialistic system, the canadian premere came here for surgery, reports of horrible conditions of health care coming from the UK, etc.  

[MCWAY]

Maybe you dont read too many business sites TA.  Europe is near collapse due to the massive debt problems due to their socialistic system, the canadian premere came here for surgery, reports of horrible conditions of health care coming from the UK, etc.  

Funny how socialist healthcare ain't so great, when your own hide is on the line.

[Soul Crusher]

The American people overwhelmingly want reform, and that's what this bill could be.


Hey, I threw your name out as a possible right leaning mod for the forum, in the other thread.  You up for something like that?  Don't always agree with you, but you seem to be pretty level headed.

Absolutely not.  This bill is a disaster and needs to be buried and sprinkled with holy water after we drive three stakes through it.  

[shootfighter1]

I wrote about this in detail before, I don't want to keep explaining it.  Tort reform is 1 piece of malpractice reform.  Tort reform refers specifically on limiting damages awarded at trial.  Studies show that it has brought down costs some in states that have tort limits.  Certainly not enough to have a large impact, that is true.  Remember, it was the greedy trial lawyers who pushed up awards because they make a %.

We need complete MALPRACTICE reform.  That includes: reducing overall lawsuits, incentives for lawyers only to take good cases, reasonable limits on settlements & awards, judicial or arbitrator pre-screenings to throw out junk lawsuits, plaintiff pays legal fees if determined a junk lawsuit, limiting the # of defendents named in a suit.  All of these measures will have a trickle down effect to limiting defensive medicine practices by docs and hospitals throughout the nation, that is the real cost savings.  Limit lawsuits to legitimate cases of neglegence.  Too often lawyers take questionable cases because they know hospitals and large groups will settle.  Every time someone is named in a suit, they pay legal defense fees and miss work for depositions, court, meetings with lawyers, etc.  Any time a doctor is named in a suit, it is on their permanent record and regardless of outcome, their rates increase!  The whole system together is very costly.
Adonis, you are looking at this through a microscope rather than seeing the whole field.  For the last 10 yrs, docs have been pleading for malpractice reform because their insurance costs went up (but wages stayed stagnant).  
In adonis' beloved European healthcare systems, they have a fraction of the legal costs and a fraction of the overall lawsuits (settlement or jury judgements).  Countries with socialized medicine realize they need to limit excessive legal costs.

[Soul Crusher]

Shoot - didnt you know?  TA is the legal scholar, medical expert, policy expert, statistician, all wrapped up in one. 

[Skip8282]

Absolutely not.  This bill is a disaster and needs to be buried and sprinkled with holy water after we drive three stakes through it. 

No, this bill can be salvaged if all those clowns would work together for everybody's benefit.  Though, realistically speaking, as this thread seems to show, you might be right.