LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)

[YngiweRhoads]

The reason non-religious guys have no chance of getting elected is because, more often than not, they act like arrogant, pompous JERKS and insult people of faith and/or nominal Christians (who just happen to make up the BULK of the populace).

How smart can you be to belittle the voters-at-large, then act shocked that you don't get elected?

Assuming people with no religious convictions are of poor character is pure rubbish.  Most non-religious people don't behave as if they are Bill Mahr, who makes his living aggravating the populace. It's virtually instant death to any US politician who admits to being an Atheist or Agnostic, due to irrational hatred, distrust and discrimination. To my knowledge, no US politician has ever been elected to office while admitting Atheism/Agnosticism prior to becoming elected. There are some who will admit to being non-religious behind closed doors, but will not state this publicly, for fear of losing their position or not being re-elected merely due to their 'lack of faith'.




 




 

[LurkerNoMore]

The US was based on secularism, not religion convictions and there is much debate as to the religious convictions of the founding fathers. A common consensus seems to be that they were deists, apart from Benjamin Franklin, but not necessarily Christians. Regardless, they chose to base their society on secularism and not religious ideals.

+1

It's common knowledge that most scientists, or rational thinkers are non-religious. By this I mean, people of a higher intelligence.

+100

[MCWAY]

Assuming people with no religious convictions are of poor character is pure rubbish.  Most non-religious people don't behave as if they are Bill Mahr, who makes his living aggravating the populace. It's virtually instant death to any US politician who admits to being an Atheist or Agnostic, due to irrational hatred, distrust and discrimination. To my knowledge, no US politician has ever been elected to office while admitting Atheism/Agnosticism prior to becoming elected. There are some who will admit to being non-religious behind closed doors, but will not state this publicly, for fear of losing their position or not being re-elected merely due to their 'lack of faith'.



 

Unfortunately, the poster boys for atheism act exactly like Bill Maher. And those are the ones who are at the forefront. Case in point, this very thread was started by a guy with that exact same mentality.

These people don’t get chosen for elected office, simply due to a “lack of faith”, but because they BELITTLE those who are of faith.

Again, when you insult those who decide your electoral fate, don’t act surprised when they don’t want to vote for your “enlightened” behind.

[YngiweRhoads]

Unfortunately, the poster boys for atheism act exactly like Bill Maher. And those are the ones who are at the forefront. Case in point, this very thread was started by a guy with that exact same mentality.

These people don’t get chosen for elected office, simply due to a “lack of faith”, but because they BELITTLE those who are of faith.

Again, when you insult those who decide your electoral fate, don’t act surprised when they don’t want to vote for your “enlightened” behind.

You haven't provided a single example of a non-religious politician belittling the public for their faith, yet you arrogantly profess this to be the case. That is due to the fact that there aren't any. It's your own prejudices being projected on a fictitious scenario. I have seen, during the McCain/Palin campaign (or perhaps Bush's/not that it matters which), belittling of those who are non-religious. ie: 'those people that don't believe in God (referring to the Christian God, of course) are not true Americans'.

[LurkerNoMore]

You haven't provided a single example of a non-religious politician belittling the public for their faith, yet you arrogantly profess this to be the case.

That is because she can't.  None exists, except in her own mind.  A classic example of attempting to deny reality through self projection.

[BodyProSite]

lurker I was pointing out your contradiction!  I do think bammer is an idiot. You were the one that got on here and said christians and educated was an oxymoron. But obama attended a christian church for 20 years, and for some strange reason you defend him and his ideas and policies.   SO dipshit  which one is it??  make up your mind. Or do you just like supporting people that you proclaim dumb?

[MCWAY]

You haven't provided a single example of a non-religious politician belittling the public for their faith, yet you arrogantly profess this to be the case. That is due to the fact that there aren't any. It's your own prejudices being projected on a fictitious scenario. I have seen, during the McCain/Palin (or perhaps Bush's/not that it matters which)  campaign, belittling of those who are non-religious. ie: 'those people that don't believe in God (referring to the Christian God, of course) are not true Americans'.

And who exactly got killed in the polls, running for office because he was a professed atheist in recent years?


The fictitious scenario falls on you. What I've said is that, if atheists don't get elected, the reason is their condescending attitude towards people of faith.

That is because she can't.  None exists, except in her own mind.  A classic example of attempting to deny reality through self projection.

As for you, Clucky, put your efforts into removing your foot from your mouth, as your claim about educated Christians just got shredded.

[MCWAY]

lurker I was pointing out your contradiction!  I do think bammer is an idiot. You were the one that got on here and said christians and educated was an oxymoron. But obama attended a christian church for 20 years, and for some strange reason you defend him and his ideas and policies.   SO dipshit  which one is it??  make up your mind. Or do you just like supporting people that you proclaim dumb?

Give Clucky some Grey Poupon to go with them toes of his. He's going to be gnawing for quite a while.

[LurkerNoMore]

lurker I was pointing out your contradiction!  I do think bammer is an idiot. You were the one that got on here and said christians and educated was an oxymoron. But obama attended a christian church for 20 years, and for some strange reason you defend him and his ideas and policies.   SO dipshit  which one is it??  make up your mind. Or do you just like supporting people that you proclaim dumb?

Indeed I did say that.

Defend his policies?  Perhaps a link to where I did this would be helpful.  Defend him and his church affiliation?  Where?  Then again, you have been here.. what?  3-4 months?  That can be an excuse to why you may not know what my opinions on some of his policies are. 

But if making blanket assumptions against someone is the only option you have for a reply, it would at least be a bit helpful (for you) if the assumptions were correct "dipshit".

Might want to try again.

[LurkerNoMore]

As for you, Clucky, put your efforts into removing your foot from your mouth, as your claim about educated Christians just got shredded.

Only thing shredded was any doubts of more than two brain cells lurking in that cranium of yours when you used the example of Kennedy.

You are the perfect of why the religious right is dying out and religion in general is declining.  Keep up the good work.

[YngiweRhoads]

And who exactly got killed in the polls, running for office because he was a professed atheist in recent years?


The fictitious scenario falls on you. What I've said is that, if atheists don't get elected, the reason is their condescending attitude towards people of faith.

As for you, Clucky, put your efforts into removing your foot from your mouth, as your claim about educated Christians just got shredded.

I ask again, please show even ONE example of a non-religious politician who belittled the voters due to their beliefs, yet there are hundreds, if not thousands of examples that show the exact opposite.

The conservative religious Americans themselves openly admit, again and again, that they simply won't vote for a person if they don't have a belief in their Christian God and for no reason other than that. It's illogical and most definitely not in their best interest yet they still do thusly. You continually show your prejudiced attitude and narrow minded views with every new post you make.

[BodyProSite]

OK lurker, do you support obama or any of his policies, ideas or stances??

[LurkerNoMore]

OK lurker, do you support obama or any of his policies, ideas or stances??

90% of his policies - no.

[dario73]

Not at all.

You are living proof that the study is a fallacy.

[MCWAY]

I ask again, please show even ONE example of a non-religious politician who belittled the voters due to their beliefs, yet there are hundreds, if not thousands of examples that show the exact opposite.

The conservative religious Americans themselves openly admit, again and again, that they simply won't vote for a person if they don't have a belief in their Christian God and for no reason other than that. It's illogical and most definitely not in their best interest yet they still do thusly. You continually show your prejudiced attitude and narrow minded views with every new post you make.

I know of no atheist politicians.

Now, if YOU know of any who have been clobbered in the polls or in elections themselves, SIMPLY BECAUSE they don't believe in God, please make your case.

The point I made was that, if an atheist doesn't get elected, it's more likely due to his attitude towards people of faith, NOT his mere lack of such.

[MCWAY]

Only thing shredded was any doubts of more than two brain cells lurking in that cranium of yours when you used the example of Kennedy.

You are the perfect of why the religious right is dying out and religion in general is declining.  Keep up the good work.

Wrong again, Clucky. You made the claim about "educated" and "Christian", not being used in the same sentence and it got torn apart, as most of your lame-brained croakings do.

As for the late D. James Kennedy, cluck all you like. The simple fact is he did indeed have NINE advanced degrees and was named by Cambridge as one of the most Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th Century.

So, yet again, you run your mouth, spewing nothing but foolishness and look all the buffoon for doing so.

Carry on!!

[YngiweRhoads]

I know of no atheist politicians.

Now, if YOU know of any who have been clobbered in the polls or in elections themselves, SIMPLY BECAUSE they don't believe in God, please make your case.

The point I made was that, if an atheist doesn't get elected, it's more likely due to his attitude towards people of faith, NOT his mere lack of such.

You made the statement that the reason non-religious people don't get elected is due to their arrogance, not I. Yet, you provided no concrete evidence to back that statement up. There IS evidence that Americans won't vote for non-religious people merely due to the fact they don't have any religious (Christian) faith and no reason other than that. I'm not going to spoon feed you this as I don't have the time, and you haven't brought a single valid argument to this thread other than your own preconceived notions and factual inaccuracies. Not much point in me continuing this nonsense.

[MCWAY]

You made the statement that the reason non-religious people don't get elected is due to their arrogance, not I. Yet, you provided no concrete evidence to back that statement up. There IS evidence that Americans won't vote for non-religious people merely due to the fact they don't have any religious (Christian) faith and no reason other than that. I'm not going to spoon feed you this as I don't have the time, and you haven't brought a single valid argument to this thread other than your own preconceived notions and factual inaccuracies. Not much point in me continuing this nonsense.

In other words, like another coward, you won't face the issue presented to you. You have presented NOTHING that suggested that Americans, by and large, won't vote for an ATHEIST (who's an otherwise friendly, competent, congenial fellow), simply because he is an ATHEIST (he merely doesn't believe in God).

And, what I've said is that any resistance to electing such a fellow has much to do with the condescending attitude that many atheists have toward people of faith, not simple disbelief in God.

OF COURSE, religious conservatives won’t vote for an atheist. Many of them didn’t vote for Obama, a professed Christian, either. So, you've hardly nform us of what we didn't already know.

[BodyProSite]

oh  so that leaves ten %  well if christians are sooooo stupid why would you support anything from such dummies? after all you said educated christians is an oxymoron I would think someone as far superior as yourself wouldnt have anything to do with those big dummies.

[MCWAY]

oh  so that leaves ten %  well if christians are sooooo stupid why would you support anything from such dummies? after all you said educated christians is an oxymoron I would think someone as far superior as yourself wouldnt have anything to do with those big dummies.

Get Clucky some more Grey Poupon; he's running low.

Interestingly enough, of all the educated Christians I mentioned, the only one against whom El Clucky spouted his mouth is the one he knows was a minister (Dr. D. James Kennedy).

I guess then I shouldn't throw in ANOTHER educated man of the cloth, RADM (Ret) Barry Black, 62nd Chaplain of the U.S. Senate, author of From the Hood to the Hill.

[BodyProSite]

It doesnt matter what you present to people like lurker he will dodge and twist eveything to the point that he forgot the origional subject, He probably has a couple of complete moron friends that look up to him and all his wisdom and blow his head up beyond reason, so in his mind he is far superior to any of us

[LurkerNoMore]

LOL @ the blind leading the blind.

If this is the only way to justify your baseless and empty arguement, no wonder you are lost.

[YngiweRhoads]

In other words, like another coward, you won't face the issue presented to you. You have presented NOTHING that suggested that Americans, by and large, won't vote for an ATHEIST, simply because he is an ATHEIST (that is, he merely doesn't believe in God).

Unlike you I have school to attend, a business to run and a family to attend to.

Here is your spoon feeding.

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigotryprejudice/a/AtheistSurveys.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/godlessatheistpolitics/Godless_Atheists_Godless_Politics_What_Can_Godless_Atheists_Offer.htm

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/148719/an_atheist_as_president_of_the_united.html

There are many, many more sources and examples which I'm sure you won't take the time to read or to watch and I'm not going to search them out for you.

Here's one last link ---> http://www.google.com/

And, what I've said is that any resistance to electing such a fellow has much to do with the condescending attitude that many atheists have toward people of faith, not simple disbelief in God.

No, I said people wouldn't vote for a candidate based on the their lack of religious beliefs, which is pure lunacy. The only condescending attitude I see here is coming from yourself.

OF COURSE, religious conservatives won’t vote for an atheist. Many of them didn’t vote for Obama, a professed Christian, either. So, you've hardly nform us of what we didn't already know.

This statement justifies the fact that these people make poor choices, basing these choices on criteria which has no bearing whatsoever on the job they are electing their candidate for. What do you think this says about this demographic? The title of this thread may give you a clue.

[BodyProSite]

I am not the one that contradicts myself,  so you (the real blind)  calling me blind doesn't really hold much water. I just feel privileged to be able to talk to such a superior and wise individual like yourself, maybe one day i can be as smart as you, maybe thats why you contradict yourself , cause you just have soooo much going on in your head that you cant sort it all out in the 24 hour days that us dummies operate in.

[LurkerNoMore]

Interestingly enough, of all the educated Christians I mentioned,

Prior to this, you only mentioned two.  Carson and Kennedy.  Not like you supplied a vast number.  

Out of those two you listed, 1 is a certified crackpot who thought evolution was caused by Hitler.  Something you failed to acknowledge in your little delusional whinings.

Ben Carson is a smart man, but that is because of his mother's strict upbringing and focus on education, not because he is a Christian.  Perhaps your mother should have taken a note from Ben's and raised you the same way.

Now you named a third.  Barry Black.  Bravo!   Keep working!