LIBERAL and ATHEIST=Higher IQ (as if we didn`t already know this)

[YngiweRhoads]

Prior to this, you only mentioned two.  Carson and Kennedy.  Not like you supplied a vast number.  

Out of those two you listed, 1 is a certified crackpot who thought evolution was caused by Hitler.  Something you failed to acknowledge in your little delusional whinings.

Ben Carson is a smart man, but that is because of his mother's strict upbringing and focus on education, not because he is a Christian.  Perhaps your mother should have taken a note from Ben's and raised you the same way.

Now you named a third.  Barry Black.  Bravo!   Keep working!

Even educated Christians can come up with no concrete reason or evidence for why they believe in a deity. It's laughable to use this as any form of justification for religious belief.

[LurkerNoMore]

I am not the one that contradicts myself,

Lack of basic reading Fun-DUH-Mentuhls must be the culprit in your case then.

I just feel privileged to be able to talk to such a superior and wise individual like yourself,

Consider it my good deed for the day then.

maybe one day i can be as smart as you,

Doubtful.  But then again, anything is possible.  

maybe thats why you contradict yourself ,

Yep, lack of reading fundamentals it is.

cause you just have soooo much going on in your head that you cant sort it all out in the 24 hour days that us dummies operate in.

Or apparently not enough time to lower my intellect to a level  you can understand as apparently simple English doesn't compute with you.

Educated Christian = oxymoron.   You might not agree, but you sure prove it.  Thanks!

[grab an umbrella]

I've put this argument out time and time again(I won't say how I personally feel).  The world around us is complicated, the universe is vast beyond imagination, its difficult for people to believe it just "happened".  Its much easier for some people to believe that it was "created".

[BodyProSite]

ALL HALE LURKER OF LIL BOYS IS SPEAKING LOL                                    i have never claimed to be Christian first off you as smart as you are should have picked up on that, i just think its ridiculous to say that religion dictates a persons level of intellect. I know just as many flat out stupid religious people as do I non religious people. Only a mongoloid would try to say one or the other is cause of religion and U are the person making that claim. If you call what you are smart then I dont want to be like you one day, I was already there when I was 3.

[LurkerNoMore]

Even educated Christians can come up with no concrete reason or evidence for why they believe in a deity. It's laughable to use this as any form of justification for religious belief.

They can't come up with a single reason to justify blindly following a notion of an invisible man sitting on a cloud, but yet they can come up with 1,000,000 reasons (read : delusions) on why everyone else should blindly follow it with the same rabid mentality as they do.

Umm.... yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  (To no one else but them)

[LurkerNoMore]

ALL HALE LURKER OF LIL BOYS IS SPEAKING LOL                                    i have never claimed to be Christian first off you as smart as you are should have picked up on that, i just think its ridiculous to say that religion dictates a persons level of intellect. I know just as many flat out stupid religious people as do I non religious people. Only a mongoloid would try to say one or the other is cause of religion and U are the person making that claim. If you call what you are smart then I dont want to be like you one day, I was already there when I was 3.

Oh so you are an atheist?  Is that it?

"Not claiming to be Christian"     Typical defense in a religious discussion from someone with nothing to fall back on.  Ashamed?  Or just an atheist?

[BodyProSite]

I am neither, I don't go to any church, never have, I don't really believe that religion is true or false. Never really cared too much. And I have a masters in science for that matter. Why do you assume that a person has to be one or another?  And as for your statements about a man on a cloud, there are many more types of people that put faith in imaginary gods.  So are you just speaking of Christians or are you now opening up this judgment to Indians, and Muslims, or anyone else who puts belief into a figure or a story that cannot physically be seen or touched?

[LurkerNoMore]

I am neither, I don't go to any church, never have, I don't really believe that religion is true or false. Never really cared too much. And I have a masters in science for that matter. Why do you assume that a person has to be one or another?  And as for your statements about a man on a cloud, there are many more types of people that put faith in imaginary gods.  So are you just speaking of Christians or are you now opening up this judgment to Indians, and Muslims, or anyone else who puts belief into a figure or a story that cannot physically be seen or touched?

Neither?

You either believe in God or you don't.  The answer to that is an answer to the other question in itself.  But ok... whatever you need to hide behind.

[BodyProSite]

I am not hiding behind anything,  like i said, why do you have to label a person religous or not?  both sides have very compelling arguments and both sides have some very rediculous claims too. there are many things that science cannot explain about the earth, yet there are many things that science has explained, it is possible to not pick one or the other side to be on. I would expect someone as smart as you to understand this. It seems to me that you are the one hiding behind these labels that you have to place on things lol

[LurkerNoMore]

I see you are struggling here.  I will try to make this a bit more simple.

[ ] I do not believe in God.  I am an atheist.
[ ] I believe in a God in some form.  I am not an atheist.

Pick one.  It's simple.

[BodyProSite]

wow  you really dont get it do you,  get your websters out and look up   the words   I            DONT             HAVE            A                STANCE                  means then put that together, people like you is whats wrong with everything, everything must have a label on it. Why is that? Are you too stupid to understand that I have never made that choice nor do I care to because I dont find it very important. Did you miss the part where I said both sides have compelling points and rediculous claims.   Do I pray to god? NO  Do I absolutly reject the idea that its possible that it could be true? NO   dude I dont know how to make it any more clear to you. I guess I could take a lil and try to dumb myself down for you. Would you like me to do that?

[MCWAY]

Prior to this, you only mentioned two.  Carson and Kennedy.  Not like you supplied a vast number.   

And, thus your utter lack of sense CONTINUES to be manifested, by your implying that my listing two means that there are just two.

Out of those two you listed, 1 is a certified crackpot who thought evolution was caused by Hitler.  Something you failed to acknowledge in your little delusional whinings.

And, this has WHAT to do with the fact that he was an educated Christian man (named among the Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th century)?

Ben Carson is a smart man, but that is because of his mother's strict upbringing and focus on education, not because he is a Christian.  Perhaps your mother should have taken a note from Ben's and raised you the same way.

More prime foot-munching on your part. Guess what was included in his mother’s strict upbringing……..HIS MOTHER’S CHRISTIAN FAITH.

Furthermore, my mother DID raise me in a similar way. And, as a result, I have my education (courtesy of the scholarship I earned years ago). She sacrificed to put me in Christian school for virtually all of my grade school and high-school years.

Now you named a third.  Barry Black.  Bravo!   Keep working!

Making you look like the buffoon that you are hardly takes work. The simple fact is your claim about "educated" and "Christian" can't be used in the same sentence or being an oxymoron got ripped to pieces, in part, by the SMALL SAMPLE of men that I listed.

So, continue to cluck and duck, like the blabbering bonehead that you are.

[MCWAY]

Oh so you are an atheist?  Is that it?

"Not claiming to be Christian"     Typical defense in a religious discussion from someone with nothing to fall back on.  Ashamed?  Or just an atheist?

BodyPro may be agnostic. So what?

None of that masks the fact that you cut yourself at the knees, railing about how “educated” and “Christian” are oxymorons, all the while, since Amber Lee Ettinger has lost her crush, you’re chomping at the bit to take her place as “Obama Girl”. Heck, if you ask nicely, she may let you have those red booty shorts and her life-size cutout of the President (a Harvard grad and professed CHRISTIAN), that you can dry-hump to your heart’s content.

[BodyProSite]

lurker is sooo busy trying to label me that he is missing the whole point.  It is stupid to assume that a person is educated or not educated based on if they believe in Christianity. Thats like me asking what your favorite color is. Then telling you that you must be a dummy because you like a diff color that what i label the best one.  Lurker in all his glory is sooo hung up on labels that the boat is quickly sailing right past his swollen head.

[MCWAY]

Even educated Christians can come up with no concrete reason or evidence for why they believe in a deity. It's laughable to use this as any form of justification for religious belief.

Wrong again!!! Dr. Kennedy has written such books, along with others like Dr. Gary Habermas, Dr. Edwin Yamauchi, Dr. Paul Meier, the aforementioned RADM (Ret) Barry Black, William Murray (son of infamous atheist, Madalyn Murray O’Hair)…. and that’s just the short list.

[LurkerNoMore]

BodyPro may be agnostic. So what?

None of that masks the fact that you cut yourself at the knees, railing about how “educated” and “Christian” are oxymorons. All the while, since Amber Lee Ettinger has lost her crush, you’re chomping at the bit to take her place as “Obama Girl”. Heck, if you ask nicely, she may let you have those red booty shorts and her life-size cutout of the President (a Harvard grad and professed CHRISTIAN), that you can dry-hump to your heart’s content.

Posting this 3x only shows your frustrations and lack of substance.

Not to mention lack of foreseeable intellect necessary to cope with reality.

[LurkerNoMore]

lurker is sooo busy trying to label me that he is missing the whole point.  It is stupid to assume that a person is educated or not educated based on if they believe in Christianity. Thats like me asking what your favorite color is. Then telling you that you must be a dummy because you like a diff color that what i label the best one.  Lurker in all his glory is sooo hung up on labels that the boat is quickly sailing right past his swollen head.

After seeing you make (false) claims of someone hiding and ducking... who would have thought you couldn't answer a simple question.

Your lack of answer is an answer in itself.  I guess a simple yes or no question is beyond the realm of your grasp.  No surprise.

[BodyProSite]

Or lurker could it be that get big was screwing up and saying hang on tight, you are all mighty smart one, how come you didnt think of that possibility too?

[BodyProSite]

Site tried to post my reply two seperate times, but I caught it.  Come on lurker you are smarter than that.....  you smart guy you.

[MCWAY]

Posting this 3x only shows your frustrations and lack of substance.

Not to mention lack of foreseeable intellect necessary to cope with reality.

Nope!!! All it means is that my server is acting up!!

Bottom line!! You made the claim that “educated” and “Christian” are oxymorons. But, you slap yourself in the face by falling prostate before Barack Hussein Obama, a Harvard grad AND a professed Christian.

[YngiweRhoads]

Wrong again!!!

Again? I haven't been wrong yet.

Dr. Kennedy has written such books, along with others like Dr. Gary Habermas, Dr. Edwin Yamauchi, Dr. Paul Meier, the aforementioned RADM (Ret) Barry Black, William Murray (son of infamous atheist, Madalyn Murray O’Hair)…. and that’s just the short list.

Please point out some links, even one link, to scientific journals where they have published peer reviewed studies of ANY of these fellows work.

Otherwise it's nothing but opinion and quackery and using these fellows work to support your case is indeed laughable.

[MCWAY]

Unlike you I have school to attend, a business to run and a family to attend to.

Two out of three ain’t bad. I’m already out of school (have been for over 12 years). And, I don’t run a business. But, I do have a family, the newest member of which will be here within a month.

Here is your spoon feeding.

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigotryprejudice/a/AtheistSurveys.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/godlessatheistpolitics/Godless_Atheists_Godless_Politics_What_Can_Godless_Atheists_Offer.htm

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/148719/an_atheist_as_president_of_the_united.html

There are many, many more sources and examples which I'm sure you won't take the time to read or to watch and I'm not going to search them out for you.

Here's one last link ---> http://www.google.com/

No, I said people wouldn't vote for a candidate based on the their lack of religious beliefs, which is pure lunacy. The only condescending attitude I see here is coming from yourself.

This statement justifies the fact that these people make poor choices, basing these choices on criteria which has no bearing whatsoever on the job they are electing their candidate for. What do you think this says about this demographic? The title of this thread may give you a clue.

And, where OH WHERE, do any of these site state that the reason for such unfavorable views is due to these folks MERELY BEING ATHEISTS (instead of ALSO FACTORING INTO THE EQUATION, the attitudes of atheists towards people of faith)?

[MCWAY]

Again? I haven't been wrong yet.

Oh, you've been wrong repeatedly, profoundly, and laughingly.

Please point out some links, even one link, to scientific journals where they have published peer reviewed studies of ANY of these fellows work.

Otherwise it's nothing but opinion and quackery and using these fellows work to support your case is indeed laughable.

Quackery? Tell that to the University of Miami (Ohio) or Western Michigan University, where Drs. Yamauchi and Maier, respectively work.

Or to Cambridge, who named Dr. D. James Kennedy among the Most Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th century.


And, although I didn't list him earlier in the last post, Dr. Ben Carson (Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, first to succesfully separate twins conjoined at the head)…….Enough said!!!

[YngiweRhoads]

Two out of three ain’t bad. I’m already out of school (have been for over 12 years). And, I don’t run a business. But, I do have a family, the newest member of which will be here within a month.


And, where OH WHERE, do any of these site state that the reason for such unfavorable views is due to these folks MERELY BEING ATHEISTS (instead of ALSO FACTORING INTO THE EQUATION, the attitudes of atheists towards people of faith)?

Congratulations on the new addition to your family, sincerely. I graduated University 20 years ago and am currently taking schooling which furthers my education with regards to my business. It's a never ending process unfortunately.

Perhaps I should have explained the phrase 'merely being Atheist further' for your understanding. I assumed you understood what Atheism meant. Sorry about that.

This is the broad definition of Atheism as defined by Wikipedia.

Atheism is commonly defined as the position that there are no deities.[1] Other definitions include the absence of belief that any deities exist, or the rejection of belief in the existence of any deities, with or without an assertion that no deities exist

Now view the video once again and, why again does the fellow advise against voting for an Atheist candidate? Every argument presented for not agreeing with Atheism stems from this one point and branches out. 'If you don't believe in god then.... ad infinitum'.

In other words, Atheists are vilified for no reason other than the fact they are Atheists. The average voter, apparently, doesn't care about the intelligence of their political representative, only that they have something in common with the average joe. Or 'Joe the Plumber' for that fact. Personally, I'd rather have someone more intelligent than I, making the decisions that could affect my Country.

[YngiweRhoads]

Oh, you've been wrong repeatedly, profoundly, and laughingly.

Quackery? Tell that to the University of Miami (Ohio) or Western Michigan University, where Drs. Yamauchi and Maier, respectively work.

Or to Cambridge, who named Dr. D. James Kennedy among the Most Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th century.


And, although I didn't list him earlier in the last post, Dr. Ben Carson (Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital, first to succesfully separate twins conjoined at the head)…….Enough said!!!

Unfortunately, regardless of how well respected a person is in their chosen field of work outside religion, when it comes to any literature regarding religion their work is unsubstantiated. That is fact and whether or not you choose to ignore it is up to you.