Groink, seriously, you MUST feel a bit uncomfortable when the fat man himself "NoWorries" is empathetically accepting your physique and defending permabulkism.....If I'm arguing my point, any point, and the fat man is strongly in my corner, then I've already lost that battle. Anyone would be absurd to call you fat, period...However, you are def bloated and waaay over 12, 15, 18% BF.....