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ID Card for Workers Is at Center of Immigration Plan
WallStreetJournal.com ^ | 3-9-2010 | Laura Meckler


Posted on Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:53:08 AM by raybbr
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Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.

Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.

The ID card plan is one of several steps advocates of an immigration overhaul are taking to address concerns that have defeated similar bills in the past.

The uphill effort to pass a bill is being led by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who plan to meet with President Barack Obama as soon as this week to update him on their work. An administration official said the White House had no position on the biometric card.

"It's the nub of solving the immigration dilemma politically speaking," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. The card, he said, would directly answer concerns that after legislation is signed, another wave of illegal immigrants would arrive. "If you say they can't get a job when they come here, you'll stop it."

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Oh great, another massive fight we have to wage after this health care mess passes by. 


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i have a way to keep them from hiring illegals too,  close the fucking boarders, and deport the mooching ass illegals that are here now,

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i have a way to keep them from hiring illegals too,  close the fucking boarders, and deport the mooching ass illegals that are here now,

This is from the WSJ, I guess Big Mal, 240, Mons, and KC are going to say I am using fringe sources.   ::)  ::)

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well of course,  libs always have some sorta excuse to twist shit off, for example,   (  oh the numbers are bad cause it snowed)  but while at the same time trying to defend global warming, lol  people like this will never wake up and have a shred of common sense

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Here we go again, I guess it's a good thing I have to stay on top of the Senator.

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Why the fuck would I need a national ID card? Lets see I already have my birth certificate, drivers license, IL ID card, social security card........


More government encroachment on the American citizen.
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Why the fuck would I need a national ID card? Lets see I already have my birth certificate, drivers license, IL ID card, social security card........


More government encroachment on the American citizen.


Hey, thats a lot more than Obama has. 

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^   ;D  ;D    lol

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^   ;D  ;D    lol


Am I wrong? 

No long form BC, 16 different SS numbers, etc etc.   ;D  ;D  ;D

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nope  you are right on bro !!!!!!!  i wonder if bammer will get an id card

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Here is the whole article - ITS WORSE THAN i THOUGHT! 

F.U.B.O. & GRAHAM!
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 By LAURA MECKLER
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Lawmakers working to craft a new comprehensive immigration bill have settled on a way to prevent employers from hiring illegal immigrants: a national biometric identification card all American workers would eventually be required to obtain.

Under the potentially controversial plan still taking shape in the Senate, all legal U.S. workers, including citizens and immigrants, would be issued an ID card with embedded information, such as fingerprints, to tie the card to the worker.

The ID card plan is one of several steps advocates of an immigration overhaul are taking to address concerns that have defeated similar bills in the past.

The uphill effort to pass a bill is being led by Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.), who plan to meet with President Barack Obama as soon as this week to update him on their work. An administration official said the White House had no position on the biometric card.

"It's the nub of solving the immigration dilemma politically speaking," Mr. Schumer said in an interview. The card, he said, would directly answer concerns that after legislation is signed, another wave of illegal immigrants would arrive. "If you say they can't get a job when they come here, you'll stop it."

See attempts at reform and statistics on immigrants removed from the U.S. over the past six decades.

The biggest objections to the biometric cards may come from privacy advocates, who fear they would become de facto national ID cards that enable the government to track citizens.

"It is fundamentally a massive invasion of people's privacy," said Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We're not only talking about fingerprinting every American, treating ordinary Americans like criminals in order to work. We're also talking about a card that would quickly spread from work to voting to travel to pretty much every aspect of American life that requires identification."

Mr. Graham says he respects those concerns but disagrees. "We've all got Social Security cards," he said. "They're just easily tampered with. Make them tamper-proof. That's all I'm saying."

U.S. employers now have the option of using an online system called E-Verify to check whether potential employees are in the U.S. legally. Many Republicans have pressed to make the system mandatory. But others, including Mr. Schumer, complain that the existing system is ineffective.

Last year, White House aides said they expected to push immigration legislation in 2010. But with health care and unemployment dominating his attention, the president has given little indication the issue is a priority.

Rather, Mr. Obama has said he wanted to see bipartisan support in Congress first. So far, Mr. Graham is the only Republican to voice interest publicly, and he wants at least one other GOP co-sponsor to launch the effort.

An immigration overhaul has long proven a complicated political task. The Latino community is pressing for action and will be angry if it is put off again. But many Americans oppose any measure that resembles amnesty for people who came here illegally.

Under the legislation envisioned by Messrs. Graham and Schumer, the estimated 10.8 million people living illegally in the U.S. would be offered a path to citizenship, though they would have to register, pay taxes, pay a fine and wait in line. A guest-worker program would let a set number of new foreigners come to the U.S. legally to work.

Most European countries require citizens and foreigners to carry ID cards. The U.K. had been a holdout, but in the early 2000s it considered national cards as a way to stop identify fraud, protect against terrorism and help stop illegal foreign workers. Amid worries about the cost and complaints that the cards infringe on personal privacy, the government said it would make them voluntary for British citizens. They are required for foreign workers and students, and so far about 130,000 cards have been issued.

Mr. Schumer first suggested a biometric-based employer-verification system last summer. Since then, the idea has gained currency and is now a centerpiece of the legislation being developed, aides said.

A person familiar with the legislative planning said the biometric data would likely be either fingerprints or a scan of the veins in the top of the hand. It would be required of all workers, including teenagers, but would be phased in, with current workers needing to obtain the card only when they next changed jobs, the person said.

The card requirement also would be phased in among employers, beginning with industries that typically rely on illegal-immigrant labor.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce doesn't have a position on the proposal, but it is concerned that employers would find it expensive and complicated to properly check the biometrics.

Mr. Schumer said employers would be able to buy a scanner to check the IDs for as much as $800. Small employers, he said, could take their applicants to a government office to like the Department of Motor Vehicles and have their hands scanned there.

—Alistair MacDonald contributed to this article.

Write to Laura Meckler at laura.meckler@wsj.com

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What the hell is a drivers license?

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What the hell is a drivers license?

240 is going to come and Kneepad Obama over this and show us how good it is. 

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what's wrong with this?  Illegals can already get D/L's because they can apply for a tax number with which to pay taxes.  This is a great idea.  I don't understand why anyone is against getting rid of illegals.  Do you think it's best to round them up like cattle? And what of the rights of those who are here legally but look 'mexican'?  This way we ALL have to go through the process and employers can't say sh*t when the hammer gets dropped. 

I find it rather funny that everyone wants to deport illegals but no one here talks about punishment for those who hire them.  Seems to me that without a job being here wouldn't do sh*t for your family back home.  Punish the employers and you don't have illegals working for them.  If you really believe in this then take a stand stop buying foods and services provided by illegal immigrants.  That means no more tyson chicken, walmart, meat from major processing plants, fruit from most of the south and vegetables too.  All are served by a large number of illegals.  Hit those people in their pocket and they have no incentive to hire illegals to do the work cheaper. 

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what's wrong with this?  Illegals can already get D/L's because they can apply for a tax number with which to pay taxes.  This is a great idea.  I don't understand why anyone is against getting rid of illegals.  Do you think it's best to round them up like cattle? And what of the rights of those who are here legally but look 'mexican'?  This way we ALL have to go through the process and employers can't say sh*t when the hammer gets dropped. 

I find it rather funny that everyone wants to deport illegals but no one here talks about punishment for those who hire them.  Seems to me that without a job being here wouldn't do sh*t for your family back home.  Punish the employers and you don't have illegals working for them.  If you really believe in this then take a stand stop buying foods and services provided by illegal immigrants.  That means no more tyson chicken, walmart, meat from major processing plants, fruit from most of the south and vegetables too.  All are served by a large number of illegals.  Hit those people in their pocket and they have no incentive to hire illegals to do the work cheaper. 



ITS FOR ALL OF US!

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ITS FOR ALL OF US!

FINE.  So be it.  This way we all have to jump through the hoops.  What do you propose 333? Racial profiling and stopping all brown people? 
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FINE.  So be it.  This way we all have to jump through the hoops.  What do you propose 333? Racial profiling and stopping all brown people? 

Very simple. 

Give all illegals 90 days to leave the country. 

After said period elapses:

1.  They go to emergency room - treat em and call ICE.

2.  They get arrested - detain, debrief and deport. 

3.  Illegals in the schools - detain, debrief, deport.

4.  Illegal hurt in the workplace - treat and deport. 

5.  Fine and jail employers of these people. 

6.  Make English national language. 

7.  Bring home the troops and put them on the borders. 

8.  Hire more ICE officers and place them at the air ports to process illegals for deportation. 


IKE had a program called "Operation Wetback" in the 1950's that worked great.   
 

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Are you asking for a constitutional addition that english be the official language of the United States of America?

How exactly would you find the in the workforce?  Just go to any place where you think illegals work or would you work on 'tips'?  If so what of the rights of those who are legal but somehow have to be searched etc because they are mexican?  Doesn't seem very fair does it. 
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Are you asking for a constitutional addition that english be the official language of the United States of America?

How exactly would you find the in the workforce?  Just go to any place where you think illegals work or would you work on 'tips'?  If so what of the rights of those who are legal but somehow have to be searched etc because they are mexican?  Doesn't seem very fair does it. 

This is easy to do.  Many will self deport. 

I forgot, end all welfare, Section 8, food stamps, wic, EITC, etc going to illegals.   

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This is easy to do.  Many will self deport. 

I forgot, end all welfare, Section 8, food stamps, wic, EITC, etc going to illegals.   

How do you know if they are illegal or not if they have a valid D/L and income tax number already.  Are you saying everyone should have to show some sort of ID to get those things? Like say a National ID card?
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How do you know if they are illegal or not if they have a valid D/L and income tax number already.  Are you saying everyone should have to show some sort of ID to get those things? Like say a National ID card?

This is so easy.  most have SS numbers that are stolen, are from dead people, etc that dont match the system. 

I do a little crim defense and and when illegals get arrested the court system knows if they are illegally here.   Same with people with phony divers licenses etc. 


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NO NOT LIKE NATIONAL ID  like a dL.  something that legal americans have

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This is so easy.  most have SS numbers that are stolen, are from dead people, etc that dont match the system. 

I do a little crim defense and and when illegals get arrested the court system knows if they are illegally here.   Same with people with phony divers licenses etc. 



But what if they have a VALID license.  Once they get a tax number they often apply and get one.  Are you suggesting every American should carry around proof of their citizenship in case they get arrested or in an accident etc? or only mexican looking people?  And will SS number be the ID you have to use to get food stamps? Or would something a little more stringent be better? Like say a national ID card?
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cut off the government handout programs  and illegal free loaders would prob leave on their own .