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ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« on: March 09, 2010, 08:39:19 AM »
Culled outObama administration will accept no more public input for federal fishery strategy
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The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

That's a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning.

"When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.

"Now we see NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the administration planning the future of recreational fishing access in America based on a similar agenda of these same groups and other Big Green anti-use organizations, through an Executive Order by the President. The current U.S. direction with fishing is a direct parallel to what happened in Canada with hunting: The negative economic impacts on hard working American families and small businesses are being ignored.

"In spite of what we hear daily in the press about the President's concern for jobs and the economy and contrary to what he stated in the June order creating this process, we have seen no evidence from NOAA or the task force that recreational fishing and related jobs are receiving any priority."

Consequently, unless anglers speak up and convince their Congressional representatives to stop this bureaucratic freight train, it appears that the task force will issue a final report for "marine spatial planning" by late March, with President Barack Obama then issuing an Executive Order to implement its recommendations — whatever they may be.

Led by NOAA's Jane Lubchenco, the task force has shown no overt dislike of recreational angling, but its indifference to the economic, social and biological value of the sport has been deafening.

Additionally, Lubchenco and others in the administration have close ties to environmental groups who would like nothing better than to ban recreational angling. And evidence suggests that these organizations have been the engine behind the task force since before Obama issued a memo creating it last June.

One sign at the rally of recreational and commercial fishermen summed up the feelings. As ESPN previously reported, WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and others produced a document entitled "Transition Green" shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. What has happened since suggests that the task force has been in lockstep with that position paper.

Then in late summer, just after he created the task force, these groups produced "Recommendations for the Adoption and Implementation of an Oceans, Coasts, and Great Lakes National Policy." This document makes repeated references to "overfishing," but doesn't once reference recreational angling, its importance, and its benefits, both to participants and the resource.

Additionally, some of these same organizations have revealed their anti-fishing bias by playing fast and loose with "facts," in attempts to ban tackle containing lead in the United States and Canada.

That same tunnel vision, in which recreational angling and commercial fishing are indiscriminately lumped together as harmful to the resource, has persisted with the task force, despite protests by the angling industry.

As more evidence of collusion, the green groups began clamoring for an Executive Order to implement the task force's recommendations even before the public comment period ended in February. Fishing advocates had no idea that this was coming.

Perhaps not so coincidentally, the New York Times reported on Feb. 12 that "President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities."

Morlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.

"Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."

In the wake of the task force's framework document, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF) and its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition against voiced their concerns to the administration.

"Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

Morlock, a member of the CSF board, added, "There are over one million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The task force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies.

"Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

This is not the only access issue threatening the public's right to fish, but it definitely is the most serious, according to Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS.

"With what's being created, the same principles could apply inland as apply to the oceans," he said. "Under the guise of 'marine spatial planning' entire watersheds could be shut down, even 2,000 miles up a river drainage from the ocean.

"Every angler needs to be aware because if it's not happening in your backyard today or tomorrow, it will be eventually.

"We have one of the largest voting blocks in the country and we need to use it. We must not sit idly by."

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Is anyone surprised by this? 

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 08:41:43 AM »
well 333  there was a tornado in oklahoma,  so i am sure that it screwed up the numbers and facts on that :D

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 08:43:25 AM »
The knee padders are too busy with their cat nip of MAObama screaming at the teleprompters to realize what is really going on that the MSM does not report. 

Big Mal is going to say ESPN is scaremongering now too. 

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 08:46:23 AM »
No Im not surprised.This is Obama.He will take over everything and try to control everything we do.He knows best because he went to Harvard so he is a brilliant man.Nov. cant come quick enough and then on to 2012 and get this freaking coon out of there.

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 08:50:13 AM »
No Im not surprised.This is Obama.He will take over everything and try to control everything we do.He knows best because he went to Harvard so he is a brilliant man.Nov. cant come quick enough and then on to 2012 and get this freaking #### out of there.

But Palin going to a Canadian hospital 40 years ago is news.   ::)  ::)


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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 08:53:01 AM »
Obama care is literally 10 days away from securing universal medicine for america, forever...

and the fact any repub on the planet is wasting time with shit like this?


Obama has gotta be laughing his ass off.  Maybe he'll put the wifey in a pair of $600 sneakers and let the media talk about that for another week to finish pushing the bill theu.  Repubs will do their part and start threads about the shoes.

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 08:54:02 AM »
palin going to canadadidnt make the e.u. rate jump to 10%   or quadruple the debt in one year

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 08:56:26 AM »
Obama care is literally 10 days away from securing universal medicine for america, forever...

and the fact any repub on the planet is wasting time with shit like this?


Obama has gotta be laughing his ass off.  Maybe he'll put the wifey in a pair of $600 sneakers and let the media talk about that for another week to finish pushing the bill theu.  Repubs will do their part and start threads about the shoes.

Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?The democrats have the votes.Your a fucking fool.VBy the way too many fishing is very very important.It might not be to you,but to some its more important then health care.

The idea that he puts these stories out as a decoy is so fucking retarded its a joke.THE MOTHER FUCKER HAS THE VOTES TO PASS anything AND HE CANT!!!!Why?Because as Dan Rather says "he cant sell watermellond to n##gers".

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 08:58:36 AM »
Obama care is literally 10 days away from securing universal medicine for america, forever...

and the fact any repub on the planet is wasting time with shit like this?


Obama has gotta be laughing his ass off.  Maybe he'll put the wifey in a pair of $600 sneakers and let the media talk about that for another week to finish pushing the bill theu.  Repubs will do their part and start threads about the shoes.

Bro - you are the biggest offender! 

I know I called all my reps many times and sent many letters have you? 

I have posted tons of articles on how bad MengeleCare is to inform people - have you? 

I have gotten family and facebook people to call their reps over this disaster have you? 


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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 09:04:26 AM »
"Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?"

Listen, we can put up our degrees, IQ tests, whatever, and decide who is more intelligent if you want to have that battle.

Or, maybe the repubs COULD stop it.  Maybt ehy'll take the Billy Mcnuggets defeatist move, like you suggested.  or maybe...

If "I" was a republican congressman determined to stop the biggest domestic policy spending disaster in 40 years (which is likely is), you know what I'd be doing?

Staging a 200+ man congressional march from DC to philly (or whatever city).  call it the 'healthcare freedom march' or something cheesy.  get FOX to hype the shit out of it.  A fri/sat/sunday affair where millions of americans join in the march at some point, and they all say the same thing - "Congress, vote No on this bill".  This is what I'd be doing.  Leading one last monumental march... if they can rally a nice group for 9/12 for a made-up glen beck holiday, you think they can't get 3 mil to show up for the biggest $ mistake in our lifetimes?

But that's because 240 has a set of fvcking balls... and repubs in congress maybe dont...

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 09:07:06 AM »
"Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?"

Listen, we can put up our degrees, IQ tests, whatever, and decide who is more intelligent if you want to have that battle.

Or, maybe the repubs COULD stop it.  Maybt ehy'll take the Billy Mcnuggets defeatist move, like you suggested.  or maybe...

If "I" was a republican congressman determined to stop the biggest domestic policy spending disaster in 40 years (which is likely is), you know what I'd be doing?

Staging a 200+ man congressional march from DC to philly (or whatever city).  call it the 'healthcare freedom march' or something cheesy.  get FOX to hype the shit out of it.  A fri/sat/sunday affair where millions of americans join in the march at some point, and they all say the same thing - "Congress, vote No on this bill".  This is what I'd be doing.  Leading one last monumental march... if they can rally a nice group for 9/12 for a made-up glen beck holiday, you think they can't get 3 mil to show up for the biggest $ mistake in our lifetimes?

But that's because 240 has a set of fvcking balls... and repubs in congress maybe dont...

How many reps have you called and letters faxed or written?

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 09:09:59 AM »
I already know my reps don't have the balls to enact a media-saavy move like this.

THIS is what it would take - not bitching about it to sean hannity 9preaching to teh choir).

obama won the election because he knew how to rally a crowd into a frenzy.

Repubs need to do the same!

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 09:10:42 AM »
I already know my reps don't have the balls to enact a media-saavy move like this.

THIS is what it would take - not bitching about it to sean hannity 9preaching to teh choir).

obama won the election because he knew how to rally a crowd into a frenzy.

Repubs need to do the same!

Answer my question please.

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 09:21:28 AM »
This is quite the scare mongering article 333.  I doubt the Obama admin are going to ban all fishing but a restriction needs to be in place and limits need to be adhered to.  You can not seriously question that fish stocks are reducing at alarming rates.  Sockeye salmon for example is running so low up in Vancouver that their own federal government is investigating.  Orange roughy has been fished to near extinction and a lot of stores won't carry it on principal.  If we are to preserve out national lakes, oceans and fisheries we have to have strict enforcement of the rules and regulations, and stricter rules and regulations to enforce.  It's that simple. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 09:23:45 AM »
This is quite the scare mongering article 333.  I doubt the Obama admin are going to ban all fishing but a restriction needs to be in place and limits need to be adhered to.  You can not seriously question that fish stocks are reducing at alarming rates.  Sockeye salmon for example is running so low up in Vancouver that their own federal government is investigating.  Orange roughy has been fished to near extinction and a lot of stores won't carry it on principal.  If we are to preserve out national lakes, oceans and fisheries we have to have strict enforcement of the rules and regulations, and stricter rules and regulations to enforce.  It's that simple. 

Yes and we should allow enviro kooks and Obama to determine it because they are brilliant.

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 09:23:48 AM »
This is quite the scare mongering article 333.  I doubt the Obama admin are going to ban all fishing but a restriction needs to be in place and limits need to be adhered to.  You can not seriously question that fish stocks are reducing at alarming rates.  Sockeye salmon for example is running so low up in Vancouver that their own federal government is investigating.  Orange roughy has been fished to near extinction and a lot of stores won't carry it on principal.  If we are to preserve out national lakes, oceans and fisheries we have to have strict enforcement of the rules and regulations, and stricter rules and regulations to enforce.  It's that simple. 

Go to that link and look at some of the well informed comments on the espn site.  Alot of the posters seem to know a lot of about the topic and are livid over this.  

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 09:26:12 AM »
Go to that link and look at some of the well informed comments on the espn site.  Alot of the posters seem to know a lot of about the topic and are livid over this.  

I'm sure they are and it's people like them who aren't the problem.  I don't agree with a full ban everywhere but if there is a sound scientific reason as to why i can not fish a certain lake i.e. lower fish stocks etc then i will adhere to it.  I believe it's my right to enjoy this beautiful country but not at the expense of destroying it for others. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 09:37:34 AM »
I'm sure they are and it's people like them who aren't the problem.  I don't agree with a full ban everywhere but if there is a sound scientific reason as to why i can not fish a certain lake i.e. lower fish stocks etc then i will adhere to it.  I believe it's my right to enjoy this beautiful country but not at the expense of destroying it for others. 

Oh right, cause the govt always has only the best motives behind these things.   ::)  ::)

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 09:39:35 AM »
"Hey idiot!!!!Tell me how republicans can stop it?"

Listen, we can put up our degrees, IQ tests, whatever, and decide who is more intelligent if you want to have that battle.

Or, maybe the repubs COULD stop it.  Maybt ehy'll take the Billy Mcnuggets defeatist move, like you suggested.  or maybe...

If "I" was a republican congressman determined to stop the biggest domestic policy spending disaster in 40 years (which is likely is), you know what I'd be doing?

Staging a 200+ man congressional march from DC to philly (or whatever city).  call it the 'healthcare freedom march' or something cheesy.  get FOX to hype the shit out of it.  A fri/sat/sunday affair where millions of americans join in the march at some point, and they all say the same thing - "Congress, vote No on this bill".  This is what I'd be doing.  Leading one last monumental march... if they can rally a nice group for 9/12 for a made-up glen beck holiday, you think they can't get 3 mil to show up for the biggest $ mistake in our lifetimes?

But that's because 240 has a set of fvcking balls... and repubs in congress maybe dont...

Lets see numerous tea partys,numerous protests,numerous town halls,elections in New Jersey and Mass.The democrats have the votes,supermajorities in both houses.Calls to congress,calls to the senate.The democrats have told members that they have to vote for this even if it costs them their seat and they will be taken care of.The only hope is that some dems have sense,I doubt it.

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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2010, 09:42:00 AM »
Oh right, cause the govt always has only the best motives behind these things.   ::)  ::)

Dude you're not even a fisherman.  You've got no interest in this at all other than to bash Obama. 
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 09:45:13 AM »
Dude you're not even a fisherman.  You've got no interest in this at all other than to bash Obama. 

My uncle is, my father is, my cousins are, and MILLIONS of americans are. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 09:50:40 AM »
My uncle is, my father is, my cousins are, and MILLIONS of americans are. 

Haha they all fish for a living do they?
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Re: ESPN: "Obama trying to take over recreational fishing."
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 09:52:42 AM »
Haha they all fish for a living do they?

No they are heavily into recreation fishing in waters likely to be affected by this nonsense. 

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 10:34:13 AM »
'Lets see numerous tea partys,numerous protests,numerous town halls,elections in New Jersey and Mass.The democrats have the votes,supermajorities in both houses.Calls to congress,calls to the senate.The democrats have told members that they have to vote for this even if it costs them their seat and they will be taken care of.The only hope is that some dems have sense,I doubt it."


YOU can play that kinda defeatist game, if you want.

However, if congress, beck, hannity, palin, Steele, Rush, the tea party, and every right-wing radio host in the nation were to UNITE in one giant march like this, it very well could stop congress.

But no, their fragile freaking egos won't let them work together like that.  Or their lack of leadership.  Or balls.  I dunno.  but THAT is what 240 would do as head of the GOP.  Not some 500-person rally in NJ like you mentioned.  Rather, a SUPER gathering, march, that unites the entire country.

No offense billy, but those those that don't watch FOX, the rallies you mentioned are just a drop in the bucket.  I'm talking about something BIG, a march, where Steele, palin and Romney all man the phone lines begging every right-wing and moderate radio host to rally their peopel, etc.  Why the fck isn't Palin on the phone right now doing this, too busy grifting Oscar freebies?

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2010, 11:22:50 AM »
'Lets see numerous tea partys,numerous protests,numerous town halls,elections in New Jersey and Mass.The democrats have the votes,supermajorities in both houses.Calls to congress,calls to the senate.The democrats have told members that they have to vote for this even if it costs them their seat and they will be taken care of.The only hope is that some dems have sense,I doubt it."


YOU can play that kinda defeatist game, if you want.

However, if congress, beck, hannity, palin, Steele, Rush, the tea party, and every right-wing radio host in the nation were to UNITE in one giant march like this, it very well could stop congress.

But no, their fragile freaking egos won't let them work together like that.  Or their lack of leadership.  Or balls.  I dunno.  but THAT is what 240 would do as head of the GOP.  Not some 500-person rally in NJ like you mentioned.  Rather, a SUPER gathering, march, that unites the entire country.

No offense billy, but those those that don't watch FOX, the rallies you mentioned are just a drop in the bucket.  I'm talking about something BIG, a march, where Steele, palin and Romney all man the phone lines begging every right-wing and moderate radio host to rally their peopel, etc.  Why the fck isn't Palin on the phone right now doing this, too busy grifting Oscar freebies?

The democrats are getting pounded on the phone lines,pounded by emails,they see the polls,they see the elections,they see it all,THEY DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Obama,the communist,wants this,they have the votes.They will throw their careers away to push it through.They could get 5 million marching and Nncy Pelosi would say "its astroturf they carry SAWS-STICK-AS signs".They are deaf to all of it.They are socialists and know this is the last chance to jam through the biggest socialist control measure in history.