Stupak voted Yes.

[Straw Man]

I'm saying that he folded under the pressure at the end and really did not stick up for his beliefs. 

his only goal was to get his face on TV.

his entire argument is a sham. 

The female members of his family and hundreds of thousands of federal employees have the option of getting legal elective abortion paid for by tax payers dollars.   

If he's got a problem with that then let's see him change the insurance plan that his family has first before he tells others they can't have it.

Let's also be clear that many women who might access the federal plan would most likely be paying for the premiums with their own money so what Stupak wants is to restrict coverage available to people who are using their own money to buy private insurance.

No doubt some woman will get subsidies but then they are just like Stupaks family and the hundreds of thousands of federal employees who get their insurance paid for by you and me and have access to legal, elective abortions

[BM OUT]

this entire post is factually incorrect - just starting with the part about Stupak being pro-death. 
that's not only a complete lie but it's fucking ridiculous.  that guy is a die hard pro-life christian

Yeah sure he is.He had a chance to defund planned parenthood,voted against it.Had a chamnce to stop a health care bill that allows tax payers to fund abortions for the poor,he voted against it.Words mean nothing,deeds mean everything.By his deeds,he is pro abortion.

Now,care to defend Obamas infantacide votes?I doubt it.

[Straw Man]

Yeah sure he is.He had a chance to defund planned parenthood,voted against it.Had a chamnce to stop a health care bill that allows tax payers to fund abortions for the poor,he voted against it.Words mean nothing,deeds mean everything.By his deeds,he is pro abortion.

Now,care to defend Obamas infantacide votes?I doubt it.

well he is a Christian so the chances are high that he is also a hypocrite and perhaps even a patholigical liar

Since you think Stupak is pro death (your words) would you advocate that someone should kill him (we know you would never do such a thing) to prevent him for continuing in his surreptitious baby killing agenda?

[Soul Crusher]

his only goal was to get his face on TV.

his entire argument is a sham. 

The female members of his family and hundreds of thousands of federal employees have the option of getting legal elective abortion paid for by tax payers dollars.   

If he's got a problem with that then let's see him change the insurance plan that his family has first before he tells others they can't have it.

Let's also be clear that many women who might access the federal plan would most likely be paying for the premiums with their own money so what Stupak wants is to restrict coverage available to people who are using their own money to buy private insurance.

No doubt some woman will get subsidies but then they are just like Stupaks family and the hundreds of thousands of federal employees who get their insurance paid for by you and me and have access to legal, elective abortions

I think he and Kucinich look like hacks after this is all said and done. 

[BM OUT]

well he is a Christian so the chances are high that he is also a hypocrite and perhaps even a patholigical liar

Since you think Stupak is pro death (your words) would you advocate that someone should kill him (we know you would never do such a thing) to prevent him for continuing in his surreptitious baby killing agenda?

No,just because someone supports an issue they dont deserve death.However,those that kill 60,000 babies CLEARLY do deserve it and their death is a mercy killing.

[Straw Man]

No,just because someone supports an issue they dont deserve death.However,those that kill 60,000 babies CLEARLY do deserve it and their death is a mercy killing.

I'm going to put aside your own personal definition of the word "baby" for now (we all know a acorn is not a oak tree just like an embryo isn't a baby).

I think you've said you're not a christian (or at least you won't admit you are) so where does your radical anti-abortion stance come from? (and you have to admit that murdering doctors is not part of the mainstream prolife agenda)?

Isn't Stupak responsible for those deaths if he enables such action?

Are there any other law abiding citizens who you advocate murdering?

[Straw Man]

I think he and Kucinich look like hacks after this is all said and done. 

since when were you a Kucinich fan to begin with or even a Stupak fan for that matter

aren't they both evil Dems helping Obama further his communist agenda?

[Soul Crusher]

since when were you a Kucinich fan to begin with or even a Stupak fan for that matter

aren't they both evil Dems helping Obama further his communist agenda?

i have said from day 1 kucinich was telling the truth on this mess and you could look at my threads.  I posted at least 5 threads with his clips as to what obamacare was.  I dont agree with his solutions, but he was dead right about what this mess means for taxpayers and I said it many times.  That is why I was shocked how he foleded so easily. 

Stupak just looks awful IMHO.

[Straw Man]

i have said from day 1 kucinich was telling the truth on this mess and you could look at my threads.  I posted at least 5 threads with his clips as to what obamacare was.  I dont agree with his solutions, but he was dead right about what this mess means for taxpayers and I said it many times.  That is why I was shocked how he foleded so easily. 

Stupak just looks awful IMHO.

and he was telling the truth about single payer too right?

[Soul Crusher]

and he was telling the truth about single payer too right?

I dont know enough about sinlge payer to make an honest decision about that. 

My biggest thing is being able to have the lowest taxes and costs possible for taxpayers and I will be in favor of whatever that is.  If you canmake a good case for single payer that it will lower my costs, taxes etc, i am totally open for a look at that. 

[BM OUT]

I'm going to put aside your own personal definition of the word "baby" for now (we all know a acorn is not a oak tree just like an embryo isn't a baby).

I think you've said you're not a christian (or at least you won't admit you are) so where does your radical anti-abortion stance come from? (and you have to admit that murdering doctors is not part of the mainstream prolife agenda)?

Isn't Stupak responsible for those deaths if he enables such action?

Are there any other law abiding citizens who you advote murdering?

Hmmmm,is an eagle egg an Eagle?Yet its a 25,000 dollar fine if you smash one.Are you saying a bird is more valuable then a human being?

Why are we going after Bin Laden?Did he kill ANYONE here?What laws did he break here?There are MANY MANY people that Id like to see dead.One just died,Ted Kennedy,I hope it was a painful death,although I doubt it as he was probably drunk.Another one just died that I giggled about John Murtha.Now,I never advocated the murder of anyone,I simply celebrate the deaths of people who I feel are enemies of the state.The guy who killed Tiller,should hang for his crimes,he will get a big salute from me for his crime,but we are a land of laws,so he must go.NEVER do I call for anyones death,I simply chose to celebrate when scum bags are slaughtered like dogs.

[Straw Man]

Hmmmm,is an eagle egg an Eagle?Yet its a 25,000 dollar fine if you smash one.Are you saying a bird is more valuable then a human being?

Why are we going after Bin Laden?Did he kill ANYONE here?What laws did he break here?There are MANY MANY people that Id like to see dead.One just died,Ted Kennedy,I hope it was a painful death,although I doubt it as he was probably drunk.Another one just died that I giggled about John Murtha.Now,I never advocated the murder of anyone,I simply celebrate the deaths of people who I feel are enemies of the state.The guy who killed Tiller,should hang for his crimes,he will get a big salute from me for his crime,but we are a land of laws,so he must go.NEVER do I call for anyones death,I simply chose to celebrate when scum bags are slaughtered like dogs.

when did I ever compare the value of a human being to an eagle egg (I assume you mean bald eagle but since when do you worry about details?)

eagles can fly

can an eagle egg fly?

you can freeze an embyro

can you freeze a baby?

we can go on like this all day

if you want to believe a microscopic cluster of cells is a baby then thats your choice

you can believe in the Easter Bunny too if you want to but that doesn't justify killing people who don't agree with your belief

[Straw Man]

Hmmmm,is an eagle egg an Eagle?Yet its a 25,000 dollar fine if you smash one.Are you saying a bird is more valuable then a human being?

Why are we going after Bin Laden?Did he kill ANYONE here?What laws did he break here?There are MANY MANY people that Id like to see dead.One just died,Ted Kennedy,I hope it was a painful death,although I doubt it as he was probably drunk.Another one just died that I giggled about John Murtha.Now,I never advocated the murder of anyone,I simply celebrate the deaths of people who I feel are enemies of the state.The guy who killed Tiller,should hang for his crimes,he will get a big salute from me for his crime,but we are a land of laws,so he must go.NEVER do I call for anyones death,I simply chose to celebrate when scum bags are slaughtered like dogs.

this is you not advocating murder right?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!I want to see as many of them killed as possible!!!!!I find it funny that you wring your hands over a statement like that but would think it was fine for Americans to kill Nazis at the end of WW2.Quite frankly I see no difference between a Nazi death camp doctor and an abortionist.I laughed my ass off when Tiller got smoked,I only wish they could reanimate them so he could be killed again.I howled with delight when Slepian was killed.I find it as satisfying as when the US kills a muslim terrorist,in fact I see no difference between the two.Hopefully Tiller is burning for all eternity and the babies he killed are roasting him on a spit.

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I want them to die,but Im not telling anyone to do it.I simply celebrate and cheer and giggle when it happens.If they all dies tommorow,and if every clinic blew up Id do a little dance in my living room.

[Straw Man]

I dont know enough about sinlge payer to make an honest decision about that. 

My biggest thing is being able to have the lowest taxes and costs possible for taxpayers and I will be in favor of whatever that is.  If you canmake a good case for single payer that it will lower my costs, taxes etc, i am totally open for a look at that. 

Are you f'ng kidding me man

You've been posting virtually nonstop on the healthcare legislation and you actually admit you don't know enough about the single payer concept to make an honest decision

Serious question - when has that ever stopped you before?

 

[Soul Crusher]

Are you f'ng kidding me man

You've been posting virtually nonstop on the healthcare legislation and you actually admit you don't know enough about the single payer concept to make an honest decision

Serious question - when has that ever stopped you before?

Single payer was never on the table as an option in this present debate.  It was only discussed amongst the far left kooks on DU, HP, Kos, etc.

Personally, from what i know so far I would not ever be for it since I think it would explode costs and place the govt in full control of everything, which I dont like.  But if someone can show me otherwise, I will look at it. 
 

[MCWAY]

Single payer was never on the table as an option in this present debate.  It was only discussed amongst the far left kooks on DU, HP, Kos, etc.

Personally, from what i know so far I would not ever be for it since I think it would explode costs and place the govt in full control of everything, which I dont like.  But if someone can show me otherwise, I will look at it. 
 

Charles Krauthammer said on the O'Reilly Factor that the reason that Kucinnich and others (screaming for the public option) caved is because Obama got it through their "thick heads", convincing them that this bill is effectively a public option.

And, that's because the private insurance companies will simply be arms of the government, due to excessive regulation.

[Straw Man]

Single payer was never on the table as an option in this present debate.  It was only discussed amongst the far left kooks on DU, HP, Kos, etc.

Personally, from what i know so far I would not ever be for it since I think it would explode costs and place the govt in full control of everything, which I dont like.  But if someone can show me otherwise, I will look at it. 
 

of course it was on the table and discussed and debated (and demonized)

are you really trying to revise history that just happened a few months ago?

[Soul Crusher]

Charles Krauthammer said on the O'Reilly Factor that the reason that Kucinnich and others (screaming for the public option) caved is because Obama got it through their "thick heads", convincing them that this bill is effectively a public option.

And, that's because the private insurance companies will simply be arms of the government, due to excessive regulation.

I already posted a thread on that.  We are screwed.

[Straw Man]

Charles Krauthammer said on the O'Reilly Factor that the reason that Kucinnich and others (screaming for the public option) caved is because Obama got it through their "thick heads", convincing them that this bill is effectively a public option.

And, that's because the private insurance companies will simply be arms of the government, due to excessive regulation.

have you checked the stock prices of health insurance companies in the last few days.

why would their stock prices go up if the government is going to take them over and/or drive them out of business?

[MCWAY]

have you checked the stock prices of health insurance companies in the last few days.

why would their stock prices go up if the government is going to take them over and/or drive them out of business?

Perhaps, it's because they know insurance companies are going to JACK THEIR RATES THROUGH THE ROOF, between now and 2014.

Ever heard of the "dot.com" bubble? At one time, it was BOOMING, then it went bust. Those in the know, maxed their profits and BOUNCED, before the whole thing collapsed.

And the insurance companies will do the same.

[Soul Crusher]

of course it was on the table and discussed and debated (and demonized)

are you really trying to revise history that just happened a few months ago?

Sorry Straw - go read some of the reporting, you libs were played for fools in this and Obbama never intended single payor or anything else.  he did that to string to morons along to support this present bs.   

[Straw Man]

Perhaps, it's because they know insurance companies are going to JACK THEIR RATES THROUGH THE ROOF, between now and 2014.

Ever heard of the "dot.com" bubble? At one time, it was BOOMING, then it went bust. Those in the know, maxed their profits and BOUNCED, before the whole thing collapsed.

And the insurance companies will do the same.

so you're predicting the collapse of private insurance companies?

how long until the first one crashes?

which one is going first?

when should I start shorting?

[Soul Crusher]

have you checked the stock prices of health insurance companies in the last few days.

why would their stock prices go up if the government is going to take them over and/or drive them out of business?

Because the govt, by the threat of the jack booted IRS, is delivering them 30 million new customers and now know we are captive to the system.   

[MCWAY]

so you're predicting the collapse of private insurance companies?

how long until the first one crashes?

which one is going first?

when should I start shorting?

To answer your first two questions, "Yes", they will collapse. As to when, I'd say within 10 years or less.

What do you think is going to happen, when they're forced to take all these "pre-existing-conditions" cases, without getting the money to cover them.

Why do you think Walgreens is now rejecting Medicaid cases as of mid-April?