The Greatest Arnold Classic Winner ever

[bigbobs]

Would you guess these two guys both weigh the same here?!   

[NarcissisticDeity]

until they hit a rear lat spread, front double bicep, ab-thigh pose, etc. - any pose that shows width...then you see the size difference.

also if you consider that calf implants weigh less than muscle it adds to the difference

BTW Nasser does  look considerably bigger in that side chest shot - bad example.  He is also further from the camera.

I don't think so , Nasser disappears in some poses especially from the back and sides and Flex never had implants and it's ironic coming from someone who is clearly synthol abuser

and NO Nasser doesn't look ' considerably larger ' in that side chest in fact he looks about the same size as a much lighter guy , do yourself a favor and open the pic to get a bigger look and then come back and apologize for that dumb statement 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Would you guess these two guys both weigh the same here?!   

No I would guess Dorian weights a lot more 

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[bigbobs]

No I would guess Dorian weights a lot more 

Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser?  Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right

Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width

And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler   Clearly shows your bias

Herer are some examples where you see a more prominent weight difference.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Back on topic of the best Arnold winner

[bigbobs]

Back on topic of the best Arnold winner

You've said that Ronnie's best was the 2001 AC, and that at their respective bests Ronnie may have been able to beat Dorian, so what does that say about your opinion on Wheeler 93 AC vs. Dorian at his best?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser?  Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right

Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width

And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler   Clearly shows your bias

Herer are some examples where you see a more prominent weight difference.

Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser?   Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right

  I am right , same weight and he's eons wider especially in the lats and his gut is bigger no doubts about it but he's making the 270 pound Nasser look smaller on the side of him in all aspects

Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width

I didn't understand your point of deflecting to Dorian when the topic was Flex , but when faced with the truth you often look for a way out , my point FYI Nasser weight advantage isn't one especially when you consider Flex destroyed him despite being lighter and he barely looks what he weighs in a lot of poses anyway so you toss out weights as if it means something

And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler  Clearly shows your bias

Ah someone missed the point yet again ( see a pattern here? ) the point is people who live in glass houses shouldn't be mentioning ' implants ' especially coming from a Nasser fan  and I am biased towards the better physique and that's Flex , you say I'm biased like it's a bad thing

[Palpatine Q]

we are comparing Nasser to Flex now?

No fucking contest....Flex was a better BBer than Nasser could ever hope to be, it's like comparing F1 to NASCAR.

Flex has more detail and muscle QUALITY in one arm than Nasser has in his whole body.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You've said that Ronnie's best was the 2001 AC, and that at their respective bests Ronnie may have been able to beat Dorian, so what does that say about your opinion on Wheeler 93 AC vs. Dorian at his best?

I've always said Flex 93 ASC could beat Dorian , old news and Dorian said out of all the people who compete with he felt Flex could possibly give him the most trouble and funny he never said that about Nasser  in fact he said he beat Nasser in 97 no question 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser?  Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right

Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width

And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler   Clearly shows your bias

Herer are some examples where you see a more prominent weight difference.

Oh and I forgot , you just posted pictures of Flex VS Nasser in contests where Nasser LOST to Flex each time 

[bigbobs]

I didn't understand your point of deflecting to Dorian when the topic was Flex , but when faced with the truth you often look for a way out , my point FYI Nasser weight advantage isn't one especially when you consider Flex destroyed him despite being lighter and he barely looks what he weighs in a lot of poses anyway so you toss out weights as if it means something

My point was the same applies to any of the bigger guys standing next to Flex (Dorian included, can also include Fux, Ruhl, etc) - because Flex was able to give the illusion of weighing more but only in some shots and in others you can tell he's smaller.  I brought up this example because you are always singling out Nasser only for not showing his size difference in some poses next to Wheeler, when the same can be said about other big pros too.  Again showing your anti-Nasser bias

[bigbobs]

Oh and I forgot , you just posted pictures of Flex VS Nasser in contests where Nasser LOST to Flex each time 

Never claimed he won those, just that he shows his size difference and I disagree with the judges' opinions.  So your point is irrelevent yet again

[kiwiol]

I've always said Flex 93 ASC could beat Dorian , old news and Dorian said out of all the people who compete with he felt Flex could possibly give him the most trouble and funny he never said that about Nasser  in fact he said he beat Nasser in 97 no question 

If Kevin and Ronnie were in the shapes they won the 97 Grand Prix shows in, they'd have beaten Nasser in the Olympia as well.

[bigbobs]

we are comparing Nasser to Flex now?

No fucking contest....Flex was a better BBer than Nasser could ever hope to be, it's like comparing F1 to NASCAR.

Flex has more detail and muscle QUALITY in one arm than Nasser has in his whole body.

they were neck to neck in many shows (and Nasser beat him in some too) - so they make a very close comparison even though you hate to admit it.

[bigbobs]

If Kevin and Ronnie were in the shapes they won the 97 Grand Prix shows in, they'd have beaten Nasser in the Olympia as well.

If Nasser was in the shape he was in the 96 Olympia (or 96 GP shows) or 98 Olympia or 97 or 98 or 99 Arnold Classic he would have beaten Kevin and Ronnie in the shape they were in the 97 Grand Prix shows.

[kiwiol]

If Nasser was in the shape he was in the 96 Olympia (or 96 GP shows) or 98 Olympia or 97 or 98 or 99 Arnold Classic he would have beaten Kevin and Ronnie in the shape they were in the 97 Grand Prix shows.

Nope. He only beat Flex, Kevin and Ronnie when they weren't dialed in 100%. When they were, they beat him every time.

From the front, he was close to unbeatable in some poses, but you know how it is with the back poses

[NarcissisticDeity]

My point was the same applies to any of the bigger guys standing next to Flex (Dorian included, can also include Fux, Ruhl, etc) - because Flex was able to give the illusion of weighing more but only in some shots and in others you can tell he's smaller.  I brought up this example because you are always singling out Nasser only for not showing his size difference in some poses next to Wheeler, when the same can be said about other big pros too.  Again showing your anti-Nasser bias

No the same can't be said about other pros , you can type it now prove it. Nasser disappeared from the back not only against Flex but almost everyone

you keep spouting his weight as if it means anything and it doesn't and you're showing of your Nasser bias again , and if you consider pointing out obvious flaws with Nasser as ' anti ' then you need help the guy isn't as good as you think he is compared to the like of Flex , Levrone , Ronnie and Dorian and I have the facts to back up my claim what do you have? 

[Palpatine Q]

If Nasser was in the shape he was in the 96 Olympia (or 96 GP shows) or 98 Olympia or 97 or 98 or 99 Arnold Classic he would have beaten Kevin and Ronnie in the shape they were in the 97 Grand Prix shows.

And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather. and if Dorian never tore a muscle he's be 10x MR O.

"IF".....LOL

[Palpatine Q]

they were neck to neck in many shows (and Nasser beat him in some too) - so they make a very close comparison even though you hate to admit it.

Not even close....Flex owns him

Year    Competition    Placing
1989    California Championships    Light heavyweight, 1st
1989    Nationals    Light heavyweight, 5th
1990    Junior Nationals    Heavyweight, 2nd
1991    Nationals    Heavyweight, 2nd
1992    USA Championships    Heavyweight & Overall, 1st
1993    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1993    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1993    Mr. Olympia    2nd
1995    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1995    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    2nd
1995    South Beach Pro    1st
1995    Mr. Olympia    8th
1995    Grand Prix Spain    5th
1996    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1996    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    2nd
1996    Night of Champions    1st
1996    Canada Pro Classic    2nd
1996    Florida Cup Pro    1st
1996    Mr. Olympia    4th
1997    Ironman Pro    1st
1997    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1997    San Jose Pro    1st
1998    Ironman Pro Invitational    1st
1998    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1998    Mr. Olympia    2nd
1999    Grand Prix England    2nd
1999    Pro World    2nd
1999    Mr. Olympia    2nd
2000    Mr. Olympia    3rd
2000    Hungarian Grand Prix    1st
2000    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
2000    Ironman Pro Invitational    2nd
2002    Mr. Olympia    7th





Nasser

1990    Grand Prix Finland    8th
1993    Grand Prix Germany    3rd
1993    Grand Prix France    3rd
1994    Night of Champions    2nd
1994    Mr. Olympia    7th
1995    Mr. Olympia    7th
1995    Night of Champions    1st
1995    Houston Pro Invitational    1st
1995    Grand Prix Ukraine    2nd
1995    Grand Prix Spain    3rd
1995    Grand Prix Russia    3rd
1995    Grand Prix Germany    3rd
1995    Grand Prix France    3rd
1995    Grand Prix England    4th
1996    Mr. Olympia    Disqualified
1996    Grand Prix Switzerland    1st
1996    Grand Prix Spain    3rd
1996    Grand Prix Russia    1st
1996    Grand Prix Germany    2nd
1996    Grand Prix England    2nd
1996    Grand Prix Czech Republic    1st
1997    San Jose Pro Invitational    2nd
1997    Mr. Olympia    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Spain    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Russia    3rd
1997    Grand Prix Hungary    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Germany    2nd
1997    Grand Prix Finland    4th
1997    Grand Prix England    3rd
1997    Grand Prix Czech Republic    3rd
1997    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    2nd
1998    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    1st
1998    Mr. Olympia    3rd
1999    Mr. Olympia    6th
1999    Pro World    6th
1999    Grand Prix England    6th
2000    Mr. Olympia    5th
2001    Mr. Olympia    9th
2002    Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic    10th
2002    Mr. Olympia    15th

[bigbobs]

And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather. and if Dorian never tore a muscle he's be 10x MR O.

"IF".....LOL

Yeah, I was responding with the same logic to Kiwiol's "IF" post about Kevin and Ronnie, and looks like he made another one afterwards lol, which isn't even true either.

[bigbobs]

Not even close....Flex owns him

Thanks forr proving my point - lots of 1st 2nds and 3rds in both lists.

Nasser beat him in some shows and Wheeler beat him in other shows, and often when Wheeler beat him he was just one place behind (ex. 96 AC, 97 AC, 98 Olympia).  So whether you like it or not it is a very fair comparison.  After all, judges obviously comparerd them in call-outs, so who are you to say they was no comparison? lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Never claimed he won those, just that he shows his size difference and I disagree with the judges' opinions.  So your point is irrelevent yet again

No my point isn't ' irrelevent ' ( sic ) the point is any weight advantage of width advantage you claim means nothing when all things are considered because Nasser lost to a lighter guy with less width

and of course you disagree with the judges because you're ignorant and biased and think Nasser is better than he really was , facts aren't your friend Bobs

[FREAKgeek]

How about King Kamali guys?



Guys, come on.

[bigbobs]

No my point isn't ' irrelevent ' ( sic ) the point is any weight advantage of width advantage you claim means nothing when all things are considered because Nasser lost to a lighter guy with less width

and of course you disagree with the judges because you're ignorant and biased and think Nasser is better than he really was , facts aren't your friend Bobs

Nasser shows his weight advantage in some poses and angles over Wheeler, and not in others.  Point still remains.