How big do you think Phil's arms are gonna get?

[Fatpanda]

i'm amazed they are not 24" already - they certainly look huge.

[The Luke]

After posting something in the T-Rex arms thread, I noticed that arm size has been quite stagnant for the past few yrs since Coleman left the game. We all know Coleman had some guns, measured at 24 inches.
Now, since Phil is the most prominant (not necessarily the biggest) gunslinger, and allegedly his are 21.5-22s, how big do you think he'll go by the end of his career? Will he max out at 24 himself? Now I know that there guys like McMillian, Khan and Roelly waiting in the wings with some freaky arms, and they may overtake him, how big do you think they will go as well?

I say Phil will max out at 23.5-24 35-37 yrs old. 

Just for the record, here are some verified measurements:

-Lee Priest: 5'5'' and 235 lbs (slightly off-season) had his arms measured and verified at 21.5''
-Vince Taylor: 5'8'' and approximately 240 lbs stretched the tape to 19.75''
-Magnus Samuelson, 6'6'' tall and 340 lbs (world's strongest man competitor) and able to cheat curl 405 lbs... measured his arms at 22''
-Arnold Schwazhisname had his off-season arms measured by Arthur Jones: 19.625''

-Ronnie Coleman... at 315 lbs at his post 2003 bloated maximum shot a backstage video where his arms were measured at 21.7'' at a guest posing


A 24'' arm? Are you guys high?

That's 48% bigger than an all-time best Arnold (cross sectional areas are expressed as a ratio of squares).


Even Gregg Valentino had his grotesquely misshapen appendages taped at only 24.5'' at  a live event held by Guinness World Records.


Let's keep some perspective here... a 6' tall 600 lb mountain gorilla; (all that bulk being upper body) wouldn't have a 24'' muscular arm.

Put down the FLEX-pipe!


The Luke

[slate]

hi luke

did u get that new kidney?

i was worried about you. What about ur relationship with fbber Kim Perez is that still on?

wishing u well
sl

[The Luke]

I'm not Luke Wood.


The Luke

[Parker]

Uh Luke, last year Flex had his bad arm measured at 24 inches, on stage. That vid of him having them measured at 21.5, was possibly when he hadn't been training as much.

[The Luke]

Uh Luke, last year Flex had his bad arm measured at 24 inches, on stage. That vid of him having them measured at 21.5, was possibly when he hadn't been training as much.

Oh sorry... I didn't realise Flex magazine said it, that changes everything.


So that means Ronnie's arms were just as big as Gregg Valetino's; must have been when Ronnie weighed 380 onstage and 500 lbs off-season... get real Parker.


You couldn't bend a 24'' arm beyond 90 degrees... most pros are in the 18'' to 20'' range. If anyone had a genuine 23'' arm they'd have it measured everywhere they went.


The Luke

[Palpatine Q]

Oh sorry... I didn't realise Flex magazine said it, that changes everything.


So that means Ronnie's arms were just as big as Gregg Valetino's; must have been when Ronnie weighed 380 onstage and 500 lbs off-season... get real Parker.


You couldn't bend a 24'' arm beyond 90 degrees... most pros are in the 18'' to 20'' range. If anyone had a genuine 23'' arm they'd have it measured everywhere they went.


The Luke

My arms tape out at 19.75 and those guys arms are bigger than mine

[slate]

I'm not Luke Wood.


The Luke

come on dont be shy

Lets us know about the kidney- did ur sister really gave it up in the end?

[regmac]

Rats ass

[slate]

talking to me reg?

or are u manifesting ur god given right to doubt arm measurements declared by fantasist bbers and their gay nut hugers?

[regmac]

Don't care   measuring arms are so 80's.

[The Luke]

Duh... Groink... do the math.


To stay proportional (Ronnie was relatively proportionate) how much muscle would YOU need to gain to have a 24'' arm, like Ronnie supposedly did?


Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...

(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)²/(19.75)² = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger

...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).


So, to go from a 19.75'' arm to a 24'' arm, YOU Groink would have to increase your muscle mass 50%.

Think about it...

You weigh 240... Let's assume 150 of that is pure muscle... so you'd have to gain ANOTHER 75 lbs of lean muscle to have a 24'' arm.

Staying at the same bf %... that's another 100 lbs of solid bodyweight.


How many bodybuilders are 350 lbs with abs and curling 400 lbs with good form...?


The Luke

[Palpatine Q]

Duh... Groink... do the math.


To stay proportional (Ronnie was relatively proportionate) how much muscle would YOU need to gain to have a 24'' arm, like Ronnie supposedly did?


Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...

(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)²/(19.75)² = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger

...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).


So, to go from a 19.75'' arm to a 24'' arm, YOU Groink would have to increase your muscle mass 50%.

Think about it...

You weigh 240... Let's assume 150 of that is pure muscle... so you'd have to gain ANOTHER 75 lbs of lean muscle to have a 24'' arm.

Staying at the same bf %... that's another 100 lbs of solid bodyweight.


How many bodybuilders are 350 lbs with abs and curling 400 lbs with good form...?


The Luke

I weigh 260....and lol that i carry 90 lbs of fat if i was 240. what's that's 40% BF ?I  know you don't like me but  give me a break.

[Parker]

Oh sorry... I didn't realise Flex magazine said it, that changes everything.


So that means Ronnie's arms were just as big as Gregg Valetino's; must have been when Ronnie weighed 380 onstage and 500 lbs off-season... get real Parker.


You couldn't bend a 24'' arm beyond 90 degrees... most pros are in the 18'' to 20'' range. If anyone had a genuine 23'' arm they'd have it measured everywhere they went.

The Luke

No, you don't read. There is video of him ON STAGE and they asked how big and could they measure it. He said yeah, 24 inches and they measured his bad arm, the tape clearly shows 24 inches. Onstage. It was posted here, surprise you did comment on it then.

[slate]

Duh... Groink... do the math.


To stay proportional (Ronnie was relatively proportionate) how much muscle would YOU need to gain to have a 24'' arm, like Ronnie supposedly did?


Well, a 24'' arm is about 50% bigger than a 19.75'' arm...

(24 x 24)/(19.75 x 19.75) = (24)²/(19.75)² = (576)/(390) = 1.48 = 48% Bigger

...because we're talking about cross-sectional AREAS, and the ratio of two areas is the ratio of the squares of any radius-dependent measurement (circumference or diameter).


So, to go from a 19.75'' arm to a 24'' arm, YOU Groink would have to increase your muscle mass 50%.

Think about it...

You weigh 240... Let's assume 150 of that is pure muscle... so you'd have to gain ANOTHER 75 lbs of lean muscle to have a 24'' arm.

Staying at the same bf %... that's another 100 lbs of solid bodyweight.


How many bodybuilders are 350 lbs with abs and curling 400 lbs with good form...?


The Luke

luke ur a sick man - dont waste ur strength on maths

now did u or did u not get ur sisters kidney?, thats all we wanna know- cause otherwise we must go and get that crooked serbian kidney for u

[The Luke]

Both of you guys are morons...

No, you don't read. There is video of him ON STAGE and they asked how big and could they measure it. He said yeah, 24 inches and they measured his bad arm, the tape clearly shows 24 inches. Onstage. It was posted here, surprise you did comment on it then.

Bullshit!

Ronnie did a guest posing in Japan... backstage someone asked if they could measure his arms IN CENTIMETERS. Ronnie had no problem with that, presumably thinking no one would ever do the conversion... guess what?

21.7 inches.

That video shows the tape measure... and the tape reading on his arm... that's a lot different from some MC throwing a tape around a flexed arm and proclaiming a 24'' measurement to the audience.

Bodybuilders' reported arm measurements are as believeable as professional wrestlers' heights and weights.  

I weigh 260....and lol that i carry 90 lbs of fat if i was 240. what's that's 40% BF ?I  know you don't like me but  give me a break.

When I guesstimate that 150 lbs of your 240 lb bodyweight is pure muscle... that DOESN'T mean I'm asserting you are carrying 90 lbs of fat.

Your body isn't just muscle and fat: you also have organs, a skeleton, a stomach, skin etc etc. My math is right.

But if you can't comprehend simple math without reactionary insecurity, I'm not sure I can help you.



I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two gullible fools believe in 24'' arms.

To everyone else reading... Google "Manfred Hoeberl" and notice how massively disproportionate a synthol-filled 25'' arm looks on even a 6'7'' 320 lb frame.


The Luke

[Parker]

Here yah go...

by the way, he was in Korea for the 21.5 measurement, after a flight, after not training and doing a lot of eating. Not Japan, get your details straight. The vid I have posted was from a guestposing in Maryland in 2009.

[Palpatine Q]

Both of you guys are morons...

Bullshit!

Ronnie did a guest posing in Japan... backstage someone asked if they could measure his arms IN CENTIMETERS. Ronnie had no problem with that, presumably thinking no one would ever do the conversion... guess what?

21.7 inches.

That video shows the tape measure... and the tape reading on his arm... that's a lot different from some MC throwing a tape around a flexed arm and proclaiming a 24'' measurement to the audience.

Bodybuilders' reported arm measurements are as believeable as professional wrestlers' heights and weights.  


When I guesstimate that 150 lbs of your 240 lb bodyweight is pure muscle... that DOESN'T mean I'm asserting you are carrying 90 lbs of fat.

Your body isn't just muscle and fat: you also have organs, a skeleton, a stomach, skin etc etc. My math is right.

But if you can't comprehend simple math without reactionary insecurity, I'm not sure I can help you.



I guess I shouldn't be surprised that two gullible fools believe in 24'' arms.

To everyone else reading... Google "Manfred Hoeberl" and notice how massively disproportionate a synthol-filled 25'' arm looks on even a 6'7'' 320 lb frame.


The Luke

fair enough....my bad, keep your shirt on

but again I'm 260 

[slate]

what courage

on the verge of death, no kidneys,  and does he think of himself? no he thinks of arm measurements

people like this make the best of our armed forces

[The Luke]

No, you don't read. There is video of him ON STAGE and they asked how big and could they measure it. He said yeah, 24 inches and they measured his bad arm, the tape clearly shows 24 inches. Onstage. It was posted here, surprise you did comment on it then.

Wow!

I've never seen that video... I just guessed that the video wouldn't show a 24'' arm... but somehow I was still right.


How was I so right... maybe because I know 55 cm is 21.7 inches.

...maybe because no one under 400 lbs has a 24'' arm.


The Luke

[slate]

luke, are u the Australian luke with the kidney problem or not?

[Parker]

Wow!

I've never seen that video... I just guessed that the video wouldn't show a 24'' arm... but somehow I was still right.


How was I so right... maybe because I know 55 cm is 21.7 inches.

...maybe because no one under 400 lbs has a 24'' arm.



The Luke

did you take a look at the vid I posted? Plus, you are neglecting body composition, and people who prioritize bodyparts. Also have you seen that arm wrestler who looks like a fiddler crab, one arm has been overworked the other Underworked. I don't know how big his arm is, or his weight, but if you saw the numbers on paper, you'd say "no way"

when Ronnie was on stage in 1999 and in 2003, his arms looked way bigger than 21s. This was when he was on. And not traveling. You know the variables. Food, training, etc.

Now math on paper my work, but in real life it doesn't always. For instance, many car companies say their car will do "200+", which is called their theoritical top speed, but in the real world many times it doesn't pan out. Either due to wind, tires, gearing, lack of space, or it just doesn't pan out, even though he numbers say it will.
For instance, it was found out by Road&Track that the Ferrari F50 did not have a higher top speed than it's predecessor, the F40, in fact it was lower than the F40. Ferrari had stated a 200+ top speed, it just touched 198.

So just because you throw numbers up, many times in the real world, it can bd proven wrong.

[The Luke]

So just because you throw numbers up, many times in the real world, it can bd proven wrong.

So basic maths is wrong because "...his arms looked way bigger than 21s"?


Get real dude... there's another video of Ronnie's arms being measured backstage in Japan (can't locate it online) and they measure 55-56 cm too. Maybe someone else will post it.

So, we have two videos showing a 320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7''...not one single shred of evidence that his arms ever measured even 23''... but he had 24'' arms at 250-280 lbs onstage because you think so?


You must be delusional, Parker.


The Luke

[slate]

luke, are u the Australian luke with the kidney problem or not?

[Parker]

So basic maths is wrong because "...his arms looked way bigger than 21s"?


Get real dude... there's another video of Ronnie's arms being measured backstage in Japan (can't locate it online) and they measure 55-56 cm too. Maybe someone else will post it.

So, we have two videos showing a 320 lb Ronnie taping out at 21.7''...not one single shred of evidence that his arms ever measured even 23''... but he had 24'' arms at 250-280 lbs onstage because you think so?


You must be delusional, Parker.



The Luke

Did I say that, no I didn't! You ignored the vid and you ignored the info I gave in why on paper, Which is theoritical, many times does not translate to the real world. I also cited other examples. You have a habit of ignoring evident that doesn't jive with your arguement, in fact you ignored all evident, and extrapolated a statement that I neither said nor implied. That right there is truly delusional, to attribute a statement to another person who never said it.

Keep playing this game, as the saying goes, "insanity is when you do the same thing over and over again, expecting the same results"

delusional and insane...what more do you want to add to your list?

Now, as I said, body composition must be taken in account. And genetics and joints, bodyfat, training, etc