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« on: March 29, 2010, 02:50:21 PM »

what are the qualifications?

bob ueuker? Huh  so any minor celebrity that appeared 20 years ago is eligible?

ted dibiase?  a mid carder at best

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2010, 07:03:28 PM »

I've got my doubts on a lot of the 'celeb's' that have made it into the HOF. 

DiBiase though, definitely deserves his place.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2010, 07:05:17 PM »

I've got my doubts on a lot of the 'celeb's' that have made it into the HOF. 

DiBiase though, definitely deserves his place.

why does he deserve it?

did he ever even hold a title?

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 07:11:21 PM »

Didn't he have a Tag Title run with IRS?  It was a brilliant gimmick/character that he played very well, and he was an excellent in-ring worker as well.  Combine that with good promo's, and you've got the package.  Much better wrestler than some of the people that have been put in there.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 07:38:22 PM »

any hall of fame should be for the great

not "very good"

guess i shouldn't question a hall of fame that puts in bob uecker for making a handful of appearances on wwe tv Roll Eyes

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 07:40:08 PM »

DiBiase worked some high profile programs with the likes of Hogan, Warrior, etc., and yes - he was coholder of the tag belts with Rotundo.
It's even been said that he was originally slated to go over Savage & win the strap in the WM IV tournament.

Regardless, with Koko B. Ware in the HOF, it’s a little hard for me to consider DiBiase mid-card talent.

That being said, I see your point.

With guys like the Road Warriors and the British Bulldogs waiting in the wings, it really makes me wonder why and how people like Pete Rose & Bob Uecker make it ahead of them.  

By WWE’s standards, “Chilly Billy” Cardille can (and probably will) be inducted before “Jumpin” Johnny De Fazio – not that I would have a problem with that.
To me, it’s the same as inducting Gordon Solie.

But, cameo announcers and/or commentators like “Mr. Baseball” don’t seem quite as deserving.
Then again, don’t forget, Vince is known to do things for “Vince’s own amusement.”
He would make a mockery of his own company just to spite his “adversaries” and get a chuckle along the way.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 07:42:29 PM »

koko b ware LOL a jobber that opened shows

i think you're right, vince gets a kick out of making a mockery out of something people normally take seriously



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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 07:47:41 PM »

And you nailed it when you wrote that it is NOT a HOF to be taken seriously given it's members.

If the old man had wanted it to be a serious affair, then it would be.
Clearly he doesn't.

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 09:04:39 AM »

what are the qualifications?

bob ueuker? Huh  so any minor celebrity that appeared 20 years ago is eligible?

ted dibiase?  a mid carder at best

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Ted Di Biase was hardly a mid carder. He main evented most of 1987-1988 straight.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 01:37:54 PM »

Ted Di Biase was hardly a mid carder. He main evented most of 1987-1988 straight.

I agree. he feuded with savage and hogan for almost 2 years.

his speech was the best - second half in character

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 01:38:29 PM »

I was amazed to see Bob Ueker was still alive. he was ancient back in 1987 Shocked
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 01:44:25 PM »

It’s not a brick & mortar structure like the Rock and Roll HOF.

It’s more of an intangible “title,” if you will.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 07:55:43 AM »

Where is the HOF anyway in Stamford?
Usually in the same city that is hosting WM.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 06:00:57 AM »

The ceremony, yes.
I think Timmy was referring to a museum type deal with exhibits, etc.

No such thing, yet...
But, with the additions of Bob Uecker & Koko B. Ware, it makes little sense NOT to build one.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 11:32:50 AM »

when you guys think of the all time great heels, aren't there several guys that come to mind before ted dibiase?

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 06:55:04 PM »

DiBiase’s gimmick was a heel in every sense of the word, but his ring work was a good, solid, textbook style (clean).
IMO, they should have had him wrestle a bit dirtier – i.e. pull his opponent’s trunks for a pin, rake the eyes, or even a square kick in the nuts, etc. would have been nice.

In other words, you should have been able to identify Ted as a heel by watching his matches alone – without any knowledge of his mic. work or vignettes.
I think his persona relied a little too heavily on his interviews.

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 06:55:58 PM »

RODDY "FUCKING" PIPER!!
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 06:57:08 PM »

Piper was inducted in 2005 - and rightfully so.


Other heels I would like to see inducted include Savage, but there’s little chance of that happening.
Personally, I think Macho’s best work was as a heel – as with Piper.

Bundy belongs.
He scared the piss out of me as a little kid.
They really convinced everyone by WM II that he was a formidable opponent for Hogan, but that was all erased the next year when they teamed him with the midgets for a mixed tag against Hillbilly Jim.

Danny Davis played a real prick who had tremendous heat from awarding Savage the I.C. belt from Tito, as well as his significant role with the Hart Foundation & their feud with the Bulldogs. 

The original Four Horseman should be inducted.
I know they were NWA, but WTF – Vince owns it all now, anyway.

Bill Eadie & Jake Roberts also deserve a spot based on mic. & ring work
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2010, 07:00:14 PM »

Piper was inducted in 2005 - and rightfully so.


Other heels I would like to see inducted include Savage, but there’s little chance of that happening.
Personally, I think Macho’s best work was as a heel – as with Piper.

Bundy belongs.
He scared the piss out of me as a little kid.
They really convinced everyone by WM II that he was a formidable opponent for Hogan, but that was all erased the next year when they teamed him with the midgets for a mixed tag against Hillbilly Jim.

Danny Davis played a real prick who had tremendous heat from awarding Savage the I.C. belt from Tito, as well as his significant role with the Hart Foundation & their feud with the Bulldogs. 

The original Four Horseman should be inducted.
I know they were NWA, but WTF – Vince owns it all now, anyway.

Bill Eadie & Jake Roberts also deserve a spot based on mic. & ring work


My friend is a emcee and has some stories about Jake the Snake,  Cry
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2010, 07:00:44 PM »

lol you're asking me who was better?  you put him at the top?

off the top of my head

ric flair
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the rock (corporate)
andre the giant
hollywood hogan
undertaker
kane
shawn michaels
kevin nash
scott hall
mankind
kurt angle
brock lesnar


all of those guys sold more tickets and ppv's than ted dibiase, i'm sure there were several more but i don't have all day to type out a list

when he was in wcw he seemed like just a background guy in the nwo, i hardly remember him speaking on the mic, wcw didn't give him 'legendary' treatment like they gave other former wwf stars

heck vincent/virgil got more air time in wcw

he was just a corny gimmick, a few steps above koko b ware

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2010, 07:10:42 PM »

By the time he was in WCW, Ted’s best days were long behind him.
Kind of pointless to bring him in and use him the way they did.

Good list, though.
Flair, Andre, & Hogan are HOF alumni.
Taker, Rock, HBK & HHH are virtually guaranteed spots in the next several years.

Angle, Mankind, and probably Nash, too, are all looking at an induction, but not as long as they’re in TNA.
Vince wanted Piper to induct Snuka, but Hot Rod’s involvement with TNA at the time prevented even that.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 07:11:50 PM »

By the time he was in WCW, Ted’s best days were long behind him.
Kind of pointless to bring him in and use him the way they did.

Good list, though.
Flair, Andre, & Hogan are HOF alumni.
Taker, Rock, HBK & HHH are virtually guaranteed spots in the next several years.

Angle, Mankind, and probably Nash, too, are all looking at an induction, but not as long as they’re in TNA.
Vince wanted Piper to induct Snuka, but Hot Rod’s involvement with TNA at the time prevented even that.


Why is Moncho Man not in there?? Did he really screw Vince's daughter?
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 07:25:37 PM »

That’s been a popular rumor for a lot of years.
Personally, if it were true, I don’t think Vince would have given Macho the on-air sendoff he did.

I remember watching – I think – Superstars, and, while sitting at the ringside announce table, Vince spoke directly into the camera addressing Savage’s departure, wishing him all the best in his future endeavors.
Of course, Vince knew he was heading to WCW, but regardless…


A more believable story is that the reason Vince is so bitter towards Savage is that when he left the Fed, he took Slim Jim and their advertising $$ with him.
Vince relied very heavily on sponsor revenue at that time.

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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2010, 04:30:12 AM »

That’s been a popular rumor for a lot of years.
Personally, if it were true, I don’t think Vince would have given Macho the on-air sendoff he did.

I remember watching – I think – Superstars, and, while sitting at the ringside announce table, Vince spoke directly into the camera addressing Savage’s departure, wishing him all the best in his future endeavors.
Of course, Vince knew he was heading to WCW, but regardless…


A more believable story is that the reason Vince is so bitter towards Savage is that when he left the Fed, he took Slim Jim and their advertising $$ with him.
Vince relied very heavily on sponsor revenue at that time.


Exactly. Savage generated tonnes of cash for the WWE and was always a top star from the first day he appeared in july of 1985. But in the end, money talks and BS walks. 3 year deal with WCW for 2 mill per year + all his slim Jim revenues. $$$
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