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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #525 on: April 20, 2010, 05:59:19 PM »
I just like giving you shit ;D

Funny, that's just what I think of your criticisms.


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #526 on: April 20, 2010, 06:03:06 PM »
That Kovacs arm measurement aside, the above post is spot on. And Kovacs did have some ridiculous arms - I remember seeing pics of his arms DWARFING that of the arm Don Aaron Maadron in some expo, even though Maddron was no slouch himself and weighed around 260 lb.

  You see, the problem is that "The Dupe" has this beautiful orld of equations and physics, and hen reality doesen't agree ith his equations he chooses to discard reality instead of discarding the equation. Of course, his physics and math are 100% correct. The problem is that they are based on not one but to axiomatically flaed premisses: that mass is symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts and that groth is also symmetrical. Mass is not symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts to begin ith, and even if it ere, there ould still be only a statistically small correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of individual bodyparts because groth ould not be symmetrical. The reason hy this is so, hich The Dupe ignores, is that the muscles are morphologically and physiologically different beteen individuals, resulting not only in differing original sizes for same muscles beteen different people same bodyeight, but they also gro to different dgrees beteen individuals.

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #527 on: April 20, 2010, 06:08:51 PM »
 You see, the problem is that "The Dupe" has this beautiful orld of equations and physics, and hen reality doesen't agree ith his equations he chooses to discard reality instead of discarding the equation. Of course, his physics and math are 100% correct. The problem is that they are based on not one but to axiomatically flaed premisses: that mass is symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts and that groth is also symmetrical. Mass is not symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts to begin ith, and even if it ere, there ould still be only a statistically small correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of individual bodyparts because groth ould not be symmetrical. The reason hy this is so, hich The Dupe ignores, is that the muscles are morphologically and physiologically different beteen individuals, resulting not only in differing original sizes for same muscles beteen different people same bodyeight, but they also gro to different dgrees beteen individuals.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Post proof of the VERIFIED arm measurement of any bodybuilder within a standard deviation of average height and I'll calculate his lean (10% bf) bodyweight within 10% accuracy.

Post proof of the VERIFIED lean (10% bf) bodyweight of any bodybuilder within a standard deviation of average height and I'll calculate his arm measurement; a measurement he won't exceed by more than an inch.

Experiment is the arbiter of theory.

Test me.


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #528 on: April 20, 2010, 06:12:50 PM »
I just like giving you shit ;D

you like giving alot of people shit ;D ;D

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #529 on: April 20, 2010, 06:13:53 PM »
you like giving alot of people shit ;D ;D

He just likes talking shit.


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #530 on: April 20, 2010, 06:15:36 PM »
He just likes talking shit.


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he is a fucking funny poster though

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #531 on: April 20, 2010, 06:24:37 PM »
  You see, the problem is that "The Dupe" has this beautiful orld of equations and physics, and hen reality doesen't agree ith his equations he chooses to discard reality instead of discarding the equation. Of course, his physics and math are 100% correct. The problem is that they are based on not one but to axiomatically flaed premisses: that mass is symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts and that groth is also symmetrical. Mass is not symmetrically distributed beteen bodyparts to begin ith, and even if it ere, there ould still be only a statistically small correlation beteen bodyeight and the size of individual bodyparts because groth ould not be symmetrical. The reason hy this is so, hich The Dupe ignores, is that the muscles are morphologically and physiologically different beteen individuals, resulting not only in differing original sizes for same muscles beteen different people same bodyeight, but they also gro to different dgrees beteen individuals.

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Who says you can't say ownage without a w? 8)

you like giving alot of people shit ;D ;D

Yes, I'm a giver, NDAI

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #532 on: April 20, 2010, 06:27:45 PM »
Who says you can't say ownage without a w? 8)

But no answer to my challenge...?


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #533 on: April 20, 2010, 06:51:17 PM »
Funny, that's just what I think of your criticisms.


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #534 on: April 20, 2010, 07:08:44 PM »
But no answer to my challenge...?


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #535 on: April 20, 2010, 07:10:20 PM »
;) :D ;D

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #536 on: April 20, 2010, 07:11:05 PM »
ROFL   ;D

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #537 on: April 20, 2010, 07:12:22 PM »
That is fucking GREAT  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #539 on: April 20, 2010, 07:15:15 PM »
Groink,


My formula predicts a 20'' arm requires 266 lbs of bodyweight.

202/152x150 = 266 lbs


What do YOU weigh and what do YOUR arms measure...?

I rest my case.


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #540 on: April 20, 2010, 07:52:25 PM »
Groink,


My formula predicts a 20'' arm requires 266 lbs of bodyweight.

202/152x150 = 266 lbs


What do YOU weigh and what do YOUR arms measure...?

I rest my case.


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I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #541 on: April 20, 2010, 07:56:09 PM »
I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5

Proof...?

Or was it a slack tape; a diagonal measurement; a two inch pump; a pinched tape... or some combination of these?


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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #542 on: April 21, 2010, 03:30:58 AM »
I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5

what bf?

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #543 on: April 21, 2010, 10:03:21 AM »
I had 20 cold at 247 pounds at 5'9.5

that's pretty much my identical stats right here on my 40th birthday

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #544 on: April 21, 2010, 10:13:06 AM »
If Hazbin has 20" arms at 5'9, i dont understand why you have a hard time believing arnolds were 22 at 6'2.  arnold had great genetics for arms....long muscle bellies, long attachment points, etc. 

btw, GREAT physique hazbin. 

i agree. i know my arm were a weak point on my physique. there are a lot of arms waaayyyy bigger than mine were.

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #545 on: April 21, 2010, 08:17:19 PM »
i agree. i know my arm were a weak point on my physique. there are a lot of arms waaayyyy bigger than mine were.

Yet another example, straight from the horse's mouth.

BTW, it's ridiculous that THOSE arms of yours were a weak point, lol.

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #546 on: July 16, 2010, 10:26:33 PM »
     Re: ARNIE'S Bicep size - Arthur Jones and the TRUTH ?

GUYZ JUST CHECK OUT THIS LINK..
i find luke's  ''BASIC PREMISE '' of arthur jones measuring arnold schwarzenegger's arms , logically wrong, and faulty ....

    http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/topic,21395.msg280090.html#msg280090


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ARTHUR JONES AND HIS NAUTILUS BULLETIN 'S - 1 & 2.

does arthur jones contradict himself ?
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NAUTILUS BULLETIN #1 / By Arthur Jones / CHAPTER 35
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MEASUREMENTS

here arthur jones , states ...

'' ...the largest muscular upper arm that I ever measured....was the left arm of Bill Pearl; which was 18-5/8 inches measured "cold" ..

The size of the average man’s head is between 22 and 23 inches, and I have yet to see a man with muscular arms that even began to approach the size of his head .

..a 16 inch muscular arm is very impressive -- a 17 inch upper arm is so large
an 18 inch upper must be seen to be appreciated -- and a 19 inch upper arm approaches the impossible insofar as size is concerned ..'' .

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FROM ...
NAUTILUS BULLETIN #2
Chapter 36 /  THE ULTIMATE PHYSIQUE

'' The largest muscular arm that I ever measured -- or saw -- was Sergio Oliva’s, which, accurately measured, "cold" was 20 1/8 inches. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s arm was 19 7/8, slightly pumped -- probably 19 1/2 "cold"..

..an actually muscular arm that measures a full 18 inches is enormous -- a 19 inch arm is simply huge -- and a 20 inch arm almost defies belief;

Arnold Schwarzenegger’s arms are almost as large as Sergio’s, and he shows no signs of restricted movement around the elbow joint.

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does arthur jones contradict himself ?And what can arthur jones , mean by saying , arnie's arms are as large as sergio's arms ... does jones means in appearence or photos both arnie's and sergio's arms appear to be same in size ?

FURTHER JONES STATES , ''in a recent full-length picture of Sergio, the width of the flexed upper arms exceeded the height of Sergio’s head -- his arms were literally larger than his head, a size ratio never before approached by anybody else.

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thus, i suspect .., arthur jones what arthur jones .....meant, was that - sergio's arms looked even , bigger in photos since they (arms ) looked bigger than sergio's head ...
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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #547 on: July 16, 2010, 10:33:38 PM »
more arnie sergio photos, wherin arnie's arms are definetily bigger than his head ....
moreever sergio has a small head when compared to arnie ...

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regarding charles poliquin ... statements stating , no way arnie can have 22 inch arms ....i feel , poliquin is wrong , in his arm size vs bodyweight ratio , assumptions ...

cause there's LEROY COLBERT to contend, face first ...
when leroy colbert can have 20 inch arms , drug free why can't arnie who , is not drug free ?

JUST SEE WHAT LEROY SAYS ... ABOUT ''EXPERTS ''....

LEROY COLBERT, THE FIRST MAN TO BUILD 21-INCH MUSCULAR ARMS SAYS BEWARE OF THE EXPERTS ....

Only by ignoring the experts, was I able to build the world’s largest muscular arms. I refused to be held back by baseless rules and psychological restrictions of the experts.

The so called experts in bodybuilding had a laundry list of rules you dare not break if you wanted a muscular body. One unbreakable rule was not to do over three sets for a body part three times a week or you will over train and lose muscles instead of building them. We took the the self-help expert‘s advice to heart, and studiously avoided doing more than three sets.

I heard that David Willoughby could scientifically tell your size potential by measuring key bones in your body. Dave got out the caliper and measuring tape, and in a very knowledgeable manner said, “Leroy, carefully measuring your bone size, the maximum biceps you could hope to develop is 18 1/2 inches. That is the largest size your bone structure could possibly handle

Well, I built my arms to 21 1/2 inches. The bone size theory didn’t hold up, it looked and sounded good, but in the end, just fanciful theory. Ironically, David was the expert that officially measured my biceps at 21 1/2 inches. “Absolutely astonishing, beyond all calculations,” David embarrassingly said. I felt sorry to see David’s so called science collapse before his own eyes.

FROM
http://www.leroycolbert.com/flex_beware.asp


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do check  out the link arnie's arm progression at


http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php/topic,17943.msg283361.html#msg283361

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Re: The Luke dismantels getbig's shittalkers
« Reply #548 on: July 16, 2010, 11:21:47 PM »
This thread is hilarious...

If Arnold's arms were 22'' they wou have been taller than his head.


The fact that posters on this board can't even understand that bodyweight increases with the square of limb girth, is a damning indictment of the American public school system.



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If Arnold's arms were 22'' they wou have been taller than his head.
 LUKE FROM WHERE DID U GET THE IDEA TO CORELATE ARM SIZE TO HEAD SIZE , AND IS IT LOGICALLY CORRECT ? HEAD SIZE VARIES, SERGIO HAD SMALL HEAD SIZE WHEN COMPARED TO ARNIE , ARTHUR JONES MANIPULATED THIS FACT, AND SO DID CHARLES POLIQUIN .....JUST TO DISCREDIT ARNIE .....

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NAUTILUS BULLETIN #1 / By Arthur Jones / CHAPTER 35
THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MEASUREMENTS

here arthur jones , states ...

'' ...the largest muscular upper arm that I ever measured....was the left arm of Bill Pearl; which was 18-5/8 inches measured "cold" ..

The size of the average man?s head is between 22 and 23 inches, and I have yet to see a man with muscular arms that even began to approach the size of his head .

..a 16 inch muscular arm is very impressive -- a 17 inch upper arm is so large
an 18 inch upper must be seen to be appreciated -- and a 19 inch upper arm approaches the impossible insofar as size is concerned ..'' .

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FROM ...
NAUTILUS BULLETIN #2
Chapter 36 / THE ULTIMATE PHYSIQUE

'' The largest muscular arm that I ever measured -- or saw -- was Sergio Oliva?s, which, accurately measured, "cold" was 20 1/8 inches. Arnold Schwarzenegger?s arm was 19 7/8, slightly pumped -- probably 19 1/2 "cold"..

..an actually muscular arm that measures a full 18 inches is enormous -- a 19 inch arm is simply huge -- and a 20 inch arm almost defies belief;

Arnold Schwarzenegger?s arms are almost as large as Sergio?s, and he shows no signs of restricted movement around the elbow joint.

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does arthur jones contradict himself ?And what can arthur jones , mean by saying , arnie's arms are as large as sergio's arms ... does jones means in appearence or photos both arnie's and sergio's arms appear to be same in size ?

FURTHER JONES STATES , ''in a recent full-length picture of Sergio, the width of the flexed upper arms exceeded the height of Sergio?s head -- his arms were literally larger than his head, a size ratio never before approached by anybody else.

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thus, i suspect .., arthur jones what arthur jones .....meant, was that - sergio's arms looked even , bigger in photos since they (arms ) looked bigger than sergio's head ...


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http://muscleandbrawn.com/sergio-oliva-interview/


A Sergio Oliva interview:  In Conversation with Sergio Oliva, By Brian D. Johnston
BDJ: I believe you may be the only person to officially develop a muscular arm with a height (from the top of the biceps to the bottom of the triceps) greater than the height of one’s head. Did this phenomenon occur while training with Jones?

SO: This occurred with Jones, around the time of the 1972 Mr. Olympia in Essen, Germany. You see, Jones tricked everybody. He would invite them down and pay for the trip to test his machines. Everyone went down… Columbu, Arnold, Zane… everybody. And as soon as you arrived he would start measuring your arms cold, then he would tell you how much you can increase in a couple of days, and nobody would believe it. All those Weider magazines claiming 21-22″ arms would have everyone coming down to 18-19″… and the only 20.5″ cold was my arm. After going through his workouts, my arm was almost an inch bigger, and that happened for everybody. Arnold’s arm was 19.75″, and Weider had him in the magazines with 22.5″. It was ridiculous — all their measurements came down when Jones measured them. It was during that time that Jones measured my arms and my head, and I couldn’t believe that my arms were bigger than my head… I didn’t pay attention up to that point.

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The Truth About Bodybuilding Arm Measurements
by Charles Poliquin

Anyhow, the Olympian who keeps bragging about his arms having been over 22 inches (in fact, I think that he may have won an Olympia, or maybe two, or seven) is, in fact, pissing mighty rivers down your leg and insisting that the mother of all rain storms is upon you.

At 6'1" tall, this Olympian would have had to weigh about 308 pounds for his arms to be even close to 22 inches around. However, his competition weight was roughly 235 pounds. Of course, maybe his bodyfat was minus 15%...

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SEE WHAT ATHUR JONES ACTUALLY MEANT AND WHAT SERGIO HIMSELF AND POLIQUIN SAY ??

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WHEN HE (CHARLES POLIQUIN )SAYS'' (ARNIE ) WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH 308 POUNDS FOR ARNIE'S ARMS TO BE CLOSE TO 22 INCHES ?''

IS CHARLES POLIQUIN REFERRING THIS CHART DEVELOPED BY David Willoughby. ,

http://www.mm2k.com/bodybuilding-chart.html

BUT THE CHART OBVIOUSLY IS BASED ON RESEARCH DONE BY WILLOUGHBY DURING THE PRE -STEROID ERA ! HOW CAN POLIQUIN ''USE '' A PRE STEROID RESEARCH CHART TO DISCREDIT AND DIS PROVE ARNIE'S 22 INCH ARM SIZE , WHEN ARNIE BELONGS TO ''POST - STERIOD ERA '' ?

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CHECK OUT SERGIO'S HEAD SIZE WHEN COMPARED TO ARNIE'S HEAD SIZE.....!!!

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Re: Vince Basile exposed The Luke's charletan-tendencies
« Reply #549 on: July 16, 2010, 11:27:01 PM »
ARNIE AND SERGIO'S  HEAD SIZE AND ARM SIZE ;)