Unbelievable White Man Genetics...

[just_a_pilgrim]

No i think Nasser beats him easily. Bigger and harder, and even better structure than Francois. What more do you need?

Nasser lost that streamlined look from 95-98 but he had no choice if he wanted to try and beat Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Impossible, how can Flex mag say the contest was judged incorrectly according to ND all contest decisions are 100% accurate lol.  And funny how he uses Flex mag qoutes when convenient and here he'll dismiss what Flex says. 

Jokes aside, its good to see someone here posting an honest opinion.

What I post about in other threads about other shows should have no bearing how people interpret pictures in this thread.

When did Flex say a contest was judged incorrectly? and in the end the ONLY opinions that matter are the judges , not the competitors , fans , writers , magazines , websites , blogs

Nasser's contests wins weren't 100% accurate then if someone says they weren't? great logic BTW 

[Parker]

Try this yourself - extend your arm out completely such that your elbow is not bent - and voila your tricep is flexed its impossible to lock your elbow without flexing your tricep

Pretty sad that you guys are trying to dismiss this comparison by claiming he's in transition or tensed but not flexed especially when the difference between them is night and day

When you fully hit the pose, you are looking at the audience and the judges, not the back of someone's head. Duh.

[EspenG]

Nasser looks great in certain poses, thats for sure. But, contrary to Yates, he looks better in pictures than in videos. I just had to find my old 97 Mr.O and take a closer look. Actually, I was quite disappointed to see Nasser there. His back was so weak that it kinda 'cancels' the rest of his physique. When you have a back (and all its muscles) so underdeveloped, it ruins everything.

Its like three-legged chair - it falls over regardsless of the strength of the other legs...

[just_a_pilgrim]

When did Flex say a contest was judged incorrectly? and in the end the ONLY opinions that matter are the judges , not the competitors , fans , writers , magazines , websites , blogs

Nasser's contests wins weren't 100% accurate then if someone says they weren't? great logic BTW 

They said the judging at the 94 NOC was a joke.

[bigbobs]

When you fully hit the pose, you are looking at the audience and the judges, not the back of someone's head. Duh.

*yawn* - most pros look straight ahead during the 1/4 turn pose.

[just_a_pilgrim]

Nasser looks great in certain poses, thats for sure. But, contrary to Yates, he looks better in pictures than in videos. I just had to find my old 97 Mr.O and take a closer look. Actually, I was quite disappointed to see Nasser there. His back was so weak that it kinda 'cancels' the rest of his physique. When you have a back (and all its muscles) so underdeveloped, it ruins everything.

Its like three-legged chair - it falls over regardsless of the strength of the other legs...

I've seen a few 96 Grand Prix's. I remember an English contest writer said the other guys were catching up to Yates at those contests. But from what i saw Dorian won easily, maybe no bigger than Nasser or Dillet but his hardness was unreal. That's why he won everything including the 97 Mr.O.

[NarcissisticDeity]

*yawn* - most pros look straight ahead during the 1/4 turn pose.

not really they try and make eye contact with the judges

[Parker]

*yawn* - most pros look straight ahead during the 1/4 turn pose.

So, Nasser is doing it incorrectly?

[bigbobs]

not really they try and make eye contact with the judges

Some do, some don't.  Regardless, looking straight ahead is no indication that you are not flexed.  However, straight arm and locked elbow are, especially for someone with pro size.

[NarcissisticDeity]

They said the judging at the 94 NOC was a joke.

I don't recall that and even if they did it doesn't matter , only the judges matter

[tendonitis]

Francois was the real deal, dude was thick as hell and complete. If he hadn't gotten sick he would have won more contests for sure and definitely had the potential to be in the top 6 at the Olympia.
He clearly beat Nasser for the same reason others did, he was more complete. Nasser has no one to blame for his failures but himself, his back is simply embarrasing in every way.

[bigbobs]

So, Nasser is doing it incorrectly?

Never knew there's a defined position of your head during the pose.  You seem a little slow today.

[bigbobs]

Francios was the real deal, dude was thick as hell and complete. If he hadn't gotten sick he would have won more contests for sure and definitely had the potential to be in the top 6 at the Olympia.
He clearly beat Nasser for the same reason others did, he was more complete. Nasser has no one to blame for his failures but himself, his back is simply embarrasing in every way.

Funny that you describe Nasser's contest career as a "failure" while you judge Francois' potential as to whether or not he can just crack the  top 6 - something Nasser did for many years.

[bigbobs]

I don't recall that and even if they did it doesn't matter , only the judges matter

And after the 94 NOC never once did the judges place Francois ahead of Nasser.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Funny that you describe Nasser's contest career as a "failure" while you judge Francois' potential as to whether or not he can just crack the  top 6 - something Nasser did for many years.

Did Nasser win his first four pro shows he entered? did he beat many established pros right out of the cage? NO Nasser's career was ho-hum 6 wins in a TON of tries not that impressive

[Parker]

Never knew there's a defined position of your head during the pose.  You seem a little slow today.

Nasser is facing the crowd, fully flexed, Mike is not, and facing Nasser's back.

Face it Nasser lost, fair and square. He lost due to lacking a back, and this early on in his career he never tried to fix it. Why? Well it was ego...he dcided to play the size game, instead of focusing on size and detail. Had he so, he possibly would have won more Arnold's and a Mr. O.

[bigbobs]

Did Nasser win his first four pro shows he entered? did he beat many established pros right out of the cage? NO Nasser's career was ho-hum 6 wins in a TON of tries not that impressive

Nasser turned pro from Yugoslavia, where there's lesser competition than the NPC - so during his first several years as a pro he was still early in his career, growing and improving.  In contrast most guys who get their pro card from winning the USA have already spent most of their years of improving because the competition is so much more tough.  How  many people who get their Pro card in the  USA continue to grow leaps and bounds afte their USA win?  not very often, that's why I think its premature and unlikely to argue that Francois would have gotten much better or had so much unseen potential.  Possible but not so likely the way his fans make it seem.  Besides, he was competing for what four years after his USA win?

And as for Nasser's career, he got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years and yes that is very impressive.  More so than Francois'

[bigbobs]

Nasser is facing the crowd, fully flexed, Mike is not, and facing Nasser's back.

He's getting ONWED incredibly in that shot regardless of his head positioning or even for arguments sake if he wasn't fully flexed it woudnt make a difference because of how far behind he is.

[FREAKgeek]

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser turned pro from Yugoslavia, where there's lesser competition than the NPC - so during his first several years as a pro he was still early in his career, growing and improving.  In contrast most guys who get their pro card from winning the USA have already spent most of their years of improving because the competition is so much more tough.  How  many people who get their Pro card in the  USA continue to grow leaps and bounds afte their USA win?  not very often, that's why I think its premature and unlikely to argue that Francois would have gotten much better or had so much unseen potential.  Possible but not so likely the way his fans make it seem.  Besides, he was competing for what four years after his USA win?

And as for Nasser's career, he got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years and yes that is very impressive.  More so than Francois'

Mike improved once he turned pro and that's besides the point , Nasser probably wouldn't have been able to turn pro when he did if he had to compete in the Nationals or the USA like you conceded it's much tougher , however I asked how did he fare in relation to Mike once he turned pro

what's more impressive than Mike? Nasser didn't get sick? Nasser in all his contest only won two more than Mike in 53 contests , Mike only competed in 9 and won 4 that's a fuck of a lot more impressive

[~UN_$ung~]

Nasser turned pro from Yugoslavia, where there's lesser competition than the NPC - so during his first several years as a pro he was still early in his career, growing and improving.  In contrast most guys who get their pro card from winning the USA have already spent most of their years of improving because the competition is so much more tough.  How  many people who get their Pro card in the  USA continue to grow leaps and bounds afte their USA win?  not very often, that's why I think its premature and unlikely to argue that Francois would have gotten much better or had so much unseen potential.  Possible but not so likely the way his fans make it seem.  Besides, he was competing for what four years after his USA win?

And as for Nasser's career, he got top 3 in 29 of 31 consecutive shows over 4 years and yes that is very impressive.  More so than Francois'

nice try, but you cant make that kind of claim with bodybuilding competitions because shows are weighted differently

a guy who wins 1 arnold classics is held in much higher esteem then a guys who wins 7 europa shows

just like try brewer could win 10 excalibur's and not be as good a bodybuilder as the guy who gets second in nationals


on top of that, francois never hit his stride.....he came on the scene wiht a bang and abruptly left.....he never really had a "prime"

[NarcissisticDeity]

nice try, but you cant make that kind of claim with bodybuilding competitions because shows are weighted differently

a guy who wins 1 arnold classics is held in much higher esteem then a guys who wins 7 europa shows

just like try brewer could win 10 excalibur's and not be as good a bodybuilder as the guy who gets second in nationals


on top of that, francois never hit his stride.....he came on the scene wiht a bang and abruptly left.....he never really had a "prime"

well said

[bigbobs]

Mike improved once he turned pro and that's besides the point , Nasser probably wouldn't have been able to turn pro when he did if he had to compete in the Nationals or the USA like you conceded it's much tougher , however I asked how did he fare in relation to Mike once he turned pro

what's more impressive than Mike? Nasser didn't get sick? Nasser in all his contest only won two more than Mike in 53 contests , Mike only competed in 9 and won 4 that's a fuck of a lot more impressive

Seems like your criteria for judging impressiveness is how one does in their first few pro shows and the # of wins over total contests regardless of the # of contests entered into lol, pretty silly criteria.

If Nasser got his pro card in the US like Francois he likely wouldn't have gotten it until 93, his first pro show would have been 94 NOC which we arguably could have won, then of course he won the houston and NOC in 95.  Would he have been a better bodybuilder or considered having a more impressive career just because he got his pro card in the US vs. Yugoslavia?  

Bottom line Francois had about 4 year after the Mr. USA (which is already very competitive) and during that time did not /could not crack the top 6 at the Olympia although he did come close.  Not very strong indication that he would have been a star had he not gotten sick.  Lots of guys are in their best shape for their first several years after their USA win then improvements stop.  

[bigbobs]

nice try, but you cant make that kind of claim with bodybuilding competitions because shows are weighted differently

a guy who wins 1 arnold classics is held in much higher esteem then a guys who wins 7 europa shows

just like try brewer could win 10 excalibur's and not be as good a bodybuilder as the guy who gets second in nationals


on top of that, francois never hit his stride.....he came on the scene wiht a bang and abruptly left.....he never really had a "prime"

so one can't say that Francois' career was more impressive when he only entered what 9 shows, if he hadn't gotten sick his wins/# of shows would have likely decreased, same if he had entered the Grand Prix shows.  That's the problem with judging someone's career in such simple terms.