found out another good friend is NOT a CHRISTIAN!!!!

[big L dawg]

 

[Necrosis]

Science is the study and application of natural phenomena.

What I've seen "done by science over the years" is simple. Man has (to a limited degree) discovered what God has known from the ceaseless ages of time, using God's laws, God's resources, and the abilities that God gave him.

maybe thor put it there, maybe we are in the matrix and this is a computer program, maybe we are in a holographic universe, perhaps you are just dreaming and none of this exists, all just as likely as the scenario you put forth. Perhaps witholding assumptions that are unfounded are the best bet? then observe reality a bit maybe?

[theonlyone]

another classic response from a morally Superior Christian...

 You don't want to be called a cockroach? Accept the God and don't die as a cockroach a non believer

[theonlyone]

maybe thor put it there, maybe we are in the matrix and this is a computer program, maybe we are in a holographic universe, perhaps you are just dreaming and none of this exists, all just as likely as the scenario you put forth. Perhaps witholding assumptions that are unfounded are the best bet? then observe reality a bit maybe?

 Hollywood!

[tbombz]

maybe thor put it there, maybe we are in the matrix and this is a computer program, maybe we are in a holographic universe, perhaps you are just dreaming and none of this exists, all just as likely as the scenario you put forth. Perhaps witholding assumptions that are unfounded are the best bet? then observe reality a bit maybe?

GOOD POINT.

whats is the best possible explanation for this existence?

would you say that its more probable that existence is absolutely uncaused and pointless, consisting of nothing but energy and matter and things made up of the two....

 or is it more probable that God created it?

[tbombz]

i know you are a troll, but for the benefit of the others who believe in dualism, thought is a process of the mind, not a thing. Its like migration, birds migrate but you wouldnt say migration is immaterial. Also, its like taking a picture of the ocean, similar to a thought it contains data on a thing, the ocean, however if you open the camera much like the brain no water will spill out.

i dont get gimmicks on this site, there have been a few that were funny, soundless and the piss thing, but to spend this much time trying to troll on religion? must be a boring life. regardless carry on.

necrosis its obvious you have thought this out and came to some very skeptical conclusions on things.


sometimes things dont come to you, you have to go to them.

[Necrosis]

GOOD POINT.

whats is the best possible explanation for this existence?

would you say that its more probable that existence is absolutely uncaused and pointless, consisting of nothing but energy and matter and things made up of the two....

 or is it more probable that God created it?

the uncaused thing would apply to god as well, and life is made pointless if it is eternal not the other way around. If your life is eternal then nothing you do matters here and now, that is the definiton of pointless.

one has evidence the other has none and requires very strong evidence, which do you think is more probable?

[tbombz]

the uncaused thing would apply to god as well, and life is made pointless if it is eternal not the other way around. If your life is eternal then nothing you do matters here and now, that is the definiton of pointless.

one has evidence the other has none and requires very strong evidence, which do you think is more probable?

what has evidence exactly? your claiming atheism has evidence. there is zero evidence for atheism. evidence for science, yes. not atheism.

would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival...

if your mind, your thoughts, your self was just a memory of everything you have experienced and YOU actually dont exist at all, just thoughts in a brain.

if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...

wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential?

 mean, eternity is forever. thats an infinite amount more time than your entire life span, no matter how long it is.  so if the time while you dont exist(not that you ever actually exist at all anyways) is infinitely greater than the time period that you do "exist"...     

wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?

 

do you feel like dying?

[Necrosis]

what has evidence exactly? your claiming atheism has evidence. there is zero evidence for atheism. evidence for science, yes. not atheism.

would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival...

if your mind, your thoughts, your self was just a memory of everything you have experienced and YOU actually dont exist at all, just thoughts in a brain.

if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...

wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential?

 mean, eternity is forever. thats an infinite amount more time than your entire life span, no matter how long it is.  so if the time while you dont exist(not that you ever actually exist at all anyways) is infinitely greater than the time period that you do "exist"...     

wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?

 

do you feel like dying?

atheism requires no evidence, its the lack of a belief, you also cant prove a negative. Its like i was an aunicornist, i dont need evidence that unicorns don't exist not to believe in them, lack of positive evidence is all i need.

"would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival..."

life may not have meaning, why does it have to? do you think a slug is pondering his meaning in existence? the fact that you can ask the question does not qualify it's truth or right to be asked. You can inject meaning into your life, the need for an external motivator makes no sense.


"if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...

wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential"

im referring to our lives, if they are eternal nothing we do matters. If we have limited time our contributions become important.


"wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?

 

do you feel like dying? "

shouldn't i be saying this to you, i dont believe there is a good part after you die, you do, shouldn't you kill yourself to get there faster? This is the one life i get, why would i waste my only existence by killing myself. If this is all i have then my life becomes very important to me, unlike christians, they get to live on forever, making this life meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also, yes we are just our brains, why is that so hard to imagine.

[theonlyone]

atheism requires no evidence, its the lack of a belief, you also cant prove a negative. Its like i was an aunicornist, i dont need evidence that unicorns don't exist not to believe in them, lack of positive evidence is all i need.

"would life have a meaning if life was an illusion? if there is no God, no trace of you after yoru gone, no after life, just an eternal energy/mass that occasionally evolves into living things that think as a function of their survival..."

life may not have meaning, why does it have to? do you think a slug is pondering his meaning in existence? the fact that you can ask the question does not qualify it's truth or right to be asked. You can inject meaning into your life, the need for an external motivator makes no sense.


"if that was true... and energy was eternal... and there was just occasional life that would die out and every few trillion mellenia another few planets would have developed life... all the while each one of those intelligent life forms dont actually possess any identity, and are just passing occurences...

wouldnt your life be completely meaningless and inconsequential"

im referring to our lives, if they are eternal nothing we do matters. If we have limited time our contributions become important.


"wouldnt your life be completely inconsequential? what are you waiting for... get to the good part already, kill yourself?

 

do you feel like dying? "

shouldn't i be saying this to you, i dont believe there is a good part after you die, you do, shouldn't you kill yourself to get there faster? This is the one life i get, why would i waste my only existence by killing myself. If this is all i have then my life becomes very important to me, unlike christians, they get to live on forever, making this life meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also, yes we are just our brains, why is that so hard to imagine.

  It refers to all bullshit you have written so far. Did you choose your parents, time, age, century, gender, country, town you were born in? You did not! Hurry up with your positive contributions for humanity as you can die unexpectedly. You must agree that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair.

[Captain Equipoise]

 It refers to all bullshit you have written so far. Did you choose your parents, time, age, century, gender, country, town you were born in? You did not! Hurry up with your positive contributions for humanity as you can die unexpectedly. You must agree that surely only he who hung it can cut the hair.

Here we go again with the same nonsensical b.s, and we're back to the chicken vs. the egg, which came first.

[theonlyone]

Here we go again with the same nonsensical b.s, and we're back to the chicken vs. the egg, which came first.

 Where is the same nonsescial b.s.? Elaborate

[tbombz]

shouldn't i be saying this to you, i dont believe there is a good part after you die, you do, shouldn't you kill yourself to get there faster? This is the one life i get, why would i waste my only existence by killing myself. If this is all i have then my life becomes very important to me, unlike christians, they get to live on forever, making this life meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also, yes we are just our brains, why is that so hard to imagine.

If there is no meaning to existence, then there is no meaning to your life. throw it away on whatever you wish. spend everyday high on crystal meth in thailand fucking tranny's on the beach. or spend it making millions of dollars and become the president of the new world order. either way, both would be completely meaningless and after your death therew would be absolutely no difference. youd probably have been happyer as a meth head (maybe not tranny's if that doesnt fit your taste LOL)


as for this discussion..   we can debate the logic behind the necessity of God. although we have already went back and forth throoughly on that issue. and i think both sides have covered pretty much all the available arguments.

beyond that, a non believer has no place in any discussion  about God and spirituality.. because by definition you would have absolutely notihng to add. 

[theonlyone]

 I smell a very soon response from Necrosis

[PROBOUND]

Re: found out another good friend is NOT a CHRISTIAN!!!!

This is nothing new. About 2/3rds of the world population PROFESS to be Christian, yet, they fall short of being one. This has been the case since the beginning of Christianity.

[theonlyone]

This is nothing new. About 2/3rds of the world population PROFESS to be Christian, yet, they fall short of being one. This has been the case since the beginning of Christianity.

Don't say it for the 2/3 of the world, say it for yourself

[PROBOUND]

Don't say it for the 2/3 of the world, say it for yourself

It doesn't matter who/how/when I say it too or for, the FACTS will remain the same. I could be inculded in the 2/3 rds. Won't change the FACTS.

[theonlyone]

It doesn't matter who/how/when I say it too or for, the FACTS will remain the same. I could be inculded in the 2/3 rds. Won't change the FACTS.

How one falls short of being christian?

[PROBOUND]

How one falls short of being christian?

Jesus made it as simple as making a mamma's homemade apple pie, friend. If a person indeed is searching for truth, Jesus will lead you to it. He had it recorded in the Scriptures. 

[theonlyone]

Jesus made it as simple as making a mamma's homemade apple pie, friend. If a person indeed is searching for truth, Jesus will lead you to it. He had it recorded in the Scriptures. 

 It doesn't answer my question nor verify your prior statement
 Can you elaborate more I may havent understood correct

[PROBOUND]

It doesn't answer my question nor verify your prior statement
 Can you elaborate more I may havent understood correct

Sure friend! I apologize for being vague!


The Bible contains a "road map/template" on how to identify genuine Christian activity. Jesus made it easy for us to look at this "template/road map" so that we can know who his people are.

[Captain Equipoise]

How one falls short of being christian?

By lying, cheating, stealing...not following the 10 commandments...

[theonlyone]

By lying, cheating, stealing...not following the 10 commandments...

 There are circumstances when one lies, cheats, steals and don't realise what he does either. If one shed tears upon the earth abundantly with a wholehearted repentance God will see and forgive. Just for example

[PROBOUND]

There are circumstances when one lies, cheats, steals and don't realise what he does either. If one shed tears upon the earth abundantly with a wholehearted repentance God will see and forgive. Just for example

Excellent point, friend! So, what I'm I talking about then? If people are going to make mistakes like these you've mentioned above (even God's people), how can we determine if they are in fact God's people? Keep in mind in a prior post of mine, I mentioned that Jesus left us a "road map/template" we can follow so that we can in FACT without DOUBT, KNOW for SURE if those people are indeed His followers. Do you know how?

[Captain Equipoise]

There are circumstances when one lies, cheats, steals and don't realise what he does either. If one shed tears upon the earth abundantly with a wholehearted repentance God will see and forgive. Just for example

Fair enough but if someone keeps living in sin everyday (ie. drug dealer or something) and keeps asking for forgiveness at night or in church isn't that just lying to yourself?

for instance the drug dealer knows tomorrow he will do bad things, sell drugs etc. but still keeps doing them and doesn't try to change into a good person.