War against fat people

[Parker]

This gal weighs over 600 pounds. She has a message for those who hate fat people.

That "gal" has facial hair. Does getting morbidly obese make a woman's test levels abnormally high?

[newmom]

damn keith hope your feeling better

[JP_RC]

Some men find Valerie and other large, fat women very attractive. So what if these admirers are in the minority. That is one sexual preference and just as valid as any other.

Most bodybuilders think that it is an easy thing to avoid becoming obese. Well, if you go to Dimensions and actually hang around there you find your theories are full of holes. It isn't as simple as having too many calories. There are many causes of obesity and overeating is just one.

You guys can think you are smart here but go register at Dimensions and see how smart you are there. They will send you packing and show that your ideas are full of crap. I used to think it was all black and white but I found out it is much more complicated than that and research is finding new things all the time.

Because physical attractiveness is so important to women you would think that none of them would let themselves get overweight then obese. Well, lots of things combine to cause that in some women and men. Those people have special survival genes for when food is not plentiful and so when they are in countries where food is plentiful they tend to store any excess. You could eat the same as they do but you stay the same whereas they gain fat. It is somewhat cruel the way fat accumulates on them. Then they get all that will power going and diet like crazy and lose a lot of weight. When they start eating normally they store more fat. It is a vicious circle and traps many women in fat bodies. Many are active and healthy so you can't classify them all as unhealthy.

The sexual preference is a valid one for sure, its just a bit weird. To each their own.

Some of them may appear to be healthy and even be healthy at the present moment, but in the long run is a different story. There are many diseases that are linked to obesity too, heart problems, diabetes, etc.

As far as the causes go, I can see your point here, but it seems to me that grossly overeating is the major cause. I mean, what happens when an obese person gets a stomach reduction? They loose the excess weight by eating less.
Now, I'm sure some of these people may have hormonal problems too that contribute to their condition, but its still a condition that its not good and should be tried to overcome.

[benchmstr]

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[K-1]

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[Parker]

Keith can make it back, I think he is slowly on the path...

Most fat don't realize that they are taxing themselves, and those that lose weight feel unburdened. It's like a  Honda civic hatchback with 2000 pounds of weight. Of course it will go slow and be taxed. Remove the weight and that light car will ball. Many obese don't realize this. And many dot want to put in the work and change their lifestyles. Because this is America, they believe that there is a quick fix (and drug companies are searching for it), when in fact, it took them yrs to gain the weight, and it will take time to lose it. But, because the human body is amazing, it takes less time to lose it than it did to gain it.

It costs too much money to make extra large clothes, special accomodations, etc.

I was at the Mercedes dealership one day. And they had the C63 AMG, for those that don't know, that is a BMW M3 competitor, it will do 0-60 in 3.9 secs. Well, I was told that there was a guy who wanted it, but he couldn't fit into the seats...see what happens, you miss out on the good shit.

[noworries]

Here is the thing.  I never had to watch my weight,  I was skinny in high school.  In fact I would have made our varsity baseball team as a freshman the coach said but at 130 I wasn't big enough.  That team (the seniors) produced 4 or 5 pro ball players including a future Cy young award winner.  So I was good enough just not big enough,  That is when I took up weightlifting which was around 1972 or 73'.   By the time I was a senior I was 210 (photo included).  I remained at 220 out of high school for the next several years because I played ball and 220 was my weight.  Well around 1980 or 81 when it looked like no more baseball I lifted ,more and went to the original World Gym where I got up to 247.  In 1983 I took up armwrestling and the weight class for heavyweights then stopped at 220.  I could not get down to that weight.  So now I had to compete in the superheavy in which now I am one of the smallest with most everyone at 300 and over.  So I decided to lift heavier and get as big and strong as I could.  In 1986 I took test cyp 200mg. for 6 months straight.  Literally quitting the day after the World Championships and have not taken a thing since.  I kept my strength and size because I continue to lift heavy just not all the time.  There would be times where I traveled so much or was busy I couldn't get to the gym or was just to tired.  But, most of the time I kept my size and strength and in fact incline benched the most I have ever done around 1994 or so when I did 505 completely drug free in a t-shirt.  

So most of my life I have been bigger than most but never considered fat by anyone.  Hell I could fit in 37 Girbaud and Cavaricchi's at 300+ pounds.  In fact I still have a pair that someday I will fit in again.  When I got hurt I went from putting myself to sleep at night by thinking about what I was going to do the next day in the gym to barely sleeping at all cause ,my leg would throb so bad that I just couldn't sleep.  I could not walk and I could not go out and do alot of things because ,my leg would leak liquid all over the place.  I went to a movie one time and at the end got up and fell cause my feet slipped in about a gallon of liquid.  It would soak my socks and shoes so I ended up just wearing flipflops.  So what happened was I got stuck at home working doing nothing but eating.  I knew I was getting in bad shape and I would try to go to the gym but then the next day I got sick with high fever then stuck in bed again and this went on for years.  It just got out of hand.  I got so fucking depressed that I would not leave my house or if I did I would just hang around my pool so my leg would leak in there and not make a mess.  The biggest thing is WILLPOWER.  Before I got hurt I had major willpower.  I would go to the market with a friend and talk to the pies and cakes and tell them not yet wait till I get down to 280 and all kinds of shit.  After I got hurt and I started thinking who knows when I will get better I didn't care what I ate.  Well combine that with not doig shit and you get fat.  At least before I was burning alot of calories so I could eat more.  Now I am eating the same calories but not doing anything.

Anyway, so now I am fat but I am, not fat and real sloppy like people who have been fat their whole lives.  I have no idea how they do that.  I can barely handle it now.  If I was fat my whole life I am not sure if I could make it.  Anyway, even though there are fat people and skinny people who cares.   Honestly worry about yourself and your health cause at anytime it can be taken away from you.  

[regmac]

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Is that Mega Mass 40,000 she's downing?    She cute though!

[big L dawg]

damn...didnt bother to read whole thread but how the hell does your leg get like that?some kind of infection?

[Vince B]

Do you think fat people aren't experts in dieting? Of course they know how people get obese. What I am saying it isn't always as simple as the simpletons here imagine. The body regulates our fat content. Most people don't have to worry about it. Fat people do. If they eat just a bit more than is necessary it is stored as fat. You can get fat really gradually by not really overeating. That is the point. Just normal meals yet some people store fat from eating the same portions. If you eat 25 extra calories a day for a year you can be about 3 pounds heavier. If you do this for 10 years you gain about 30 pounds. The point is this isn't overeating. You can get fat over a period of time by not eating that much more than you need. Certainly your body doesn't regulate your bodyweight to any precise degree.

Most young males find they have to eat a lot more food when they start lifting weights. That is because they run around and are active so consume a lot of calories just being young. Most of these guys can't understand how anyone else can get fat so assume they are slobs and overeat. Nope, it isn't that simple. The term overeat is a loaded one for sure. What critics here do is label everyone who is fat as overeaters because if they didn't consume extra calories they wouldn't be obese.

My point is if you talk to fat people and listen to them you hear a different story and aren't so quick to lay blame at them.

[tendonitis]

Do you think fat people aren't experts in dieting? Of course they know how people get obese. What I am saying it isn't always as simple as the simpletons here imagine. The body regulates our fat content. Most people don't have to worry about it. Fat people do. If they eat just a bit more than is necessary it is stored as fat. You can get fat really gradually by not really overeating. That is the point. Just normal meals yet some people store fat from eating the same portions. If you eat 25 extra calories a day for a year you can be about 3 pounds heavier. If you do this for 10 years you gain about 30 pounds. The point is this isn't overeating. You can get fat over a period of time by not eating that much more than you need. Certainly your body doesn't regulate your bodyweight to any precise degree.

Most young males find they have to eat a lot more food when they start lifting weights. That is because they run around and are active so consume a lot of calories just being young. Most of these guys can't understand how anyone else can get fat so assume they are slobs and overeat. Nope, it isn't that simple. The term overeat is a loaded one for sure. What critics here do is label everyone who is fat as overeaters because if they didn't consume extra calories they wouldn't be obese.

My point is if you talk to fat people and listen to them you hear a different story and aren't so quick to lay blame at them.

chubby chaser meltdown

[che]

I know a lot of fat people and all of them have something in common, THEY LOVE FOOD !!!!!!!!!!!

[just_a_pilgrim]

These photos are of me at 300 to 305.  I competed at this weight.  I am not by any means skinny.  But I am not fat.  I have some fat obviosuly buit who cares.  I am NOT a bodybuilder or ever said I was.  I did what I did and did pretty good at it. I was training for the 2000 olympics in the Discus.[/quote]

Noworries have you read the book by Werner Reiterer called 'Positive'. He was the Austalian Discus thrower who pulled out of the 2000 Olympics because he said he couldn't handle being on the gear.

Personally i thought he should have won gold then come out. He said at the end he was throwing the best in the world a year out from the contest and that was indication he would probably win.

http://www.thrower.com.au/thrower-articles/2001/3/7/werner-keeps-fighting-aoc-but-faces-ruin/

[Vince B]

Keith, if you were throwing the discus about 60 metres that is an impressive throw. My best was just over 44 metres so what you did was way out there. You need a lot of power and great technique to get it near 200 feet. You have to be quick and very coordinated. Of course, improving and representing the USA is another thing altogether but good for you to have had a go. Damn those dangerous brown recluse spiders.

[kiwiol]

Do you think fat people aren't experts in dieting? Of course they know how people get obese. What I am saying it isn't always as simple as the simpletons here imagine. The body regulates our fat content. Most people don't have to worry about it. Fat people do. If they eat just a bit more than is necessary it is stored as fat. You can get fat really gradually by not really overeating. That is the point. Just normal meals yet some people store fat from eating the same portions. If you eat 25 extra calories a day for a year you can be about 3 pounds heavier. If you do this for 10 years you gain about 30 pounds. The point is this isn't overeating. You can get fat over a period of time by not eating that much more than you need. Certainly your body doesn't regulate your bodyweight to any precise degree.

Most young males find they have to eat a lot more food when they start lifting weights. That is because they run around and are active so consume a lot of calories just being young. Most of these guys can't understand how anyone else can get fat so assume they are slobs and overeat. Nope, it isn't that simple. The term overeat is a loaded one for sure. What critics here do is label everyone who is fat as overeaters because if they didn't consume extra calories they wouldn't be obese.

My point is if you talk to fat people and listen to them you hear a different story and aren't so quick to lay blame at them.

You can dress it up and rationalize it in as many ways as you want - I'm sure the fatties in the other forum do that all the time to justify their looks and eating habits.

BUT,

The bottom line is that if you took all the fat people out there and put them on a restricted calorie diet that is strictly enforced,

1) They will ALL lose weight, without an exception and

2) All of them will love and praise the way they look and feel after they've lost the weight.

There are some guys who like the way those whales look, for sure. But there are also people out there who like kids, animals, female bodybuilders that don't even look human, and even inanimate objects ranging from fruit to God knows what. So the whole 'fat is beautiful' campaign is a load of crap and one that applies only to a very small percentage of the population that's statistically insignificant - it's true, but not the reason people eat like a pig so they can end up looking like one.

All fat people, no matter how much noise they may make about feeling beautiful, have a massive inferiority complex on the inside and hate the average person who is sitting around 20% body fat or less. The ones who actually believe they are beautiful comprise a very small percentage within that bracket and might possibly do it due to some kind of mental illness or because they're light headed from not having eaten anything in the last 5 minutes.

I'm referring to obese people, BTW, not a person who is 10 - 20% bodyfat.

[James Blunt]

You can dress it up and rationalize it in as many ways as you want - I'm sure the fatties in the other forum do that all the time to justify their looks and eating habits.

BUT,

The bottom line is that if you took all the fat people out there and put them on a restricted calorie diet that is strictly enforced,

1) They will ALL lose weight, without an exception and

2) All of them will love and praise the way they look and feel after they've lost the weight.

There are some guys who like the way those whales look, for sure. But there are also people out there who like kids, animals, female bodybuilders that don't even look human, and even inanimate objects ranging from fruit to God knows what. So the whole 'fat is beautiful' campaign is a load of crap and one that applies only to a very small percentage of the population that's statistically insignificant - it's true, but not the reason people eat like a pig so they can end up looking like one.

All fat people, no matter how much noise they may make about feeling beautiful, have a massive inferiority complex on the inside and hate the average person who is sitting around 20% body fat or less. The ones who actually believe they are beautiful comprise a very small percentage within that bracket and might possibly do it due to some kind of mental illness or because they're light headed from not having eaten anything in the last 5 minutes.

I'm referring to obese people, BTW, not a person who is 10 - 20% bodyfat.

This is a quality post

[Vince B]

Musclemen are so thick. The fat people would sort you out if you posted that nonsense on their forum. I challenge any of you experts to have a go and see if you are accepted there. You will get a hiding from them.

Yes, when fat people have weight loss surgery they usually lose heaps of weight. Some regain that afterwards. It isn't as simple as everyone thinks. I am telling you that most fat people have settings in their bodies that don't regulate like they do in bodybuilders. All this superiorty and smugness is unjustified because no one here is an expert in obesity. If you were you wouldn't be posting rubbish about them.

In the fat community they refer to all fat women as BBWs. Big Beautiful Women. That is obviously not true, but is a lot better than thinking all fat women are ugly. These people have been the victims of all manner of criticism and being made fun of. It is hardly enjoyable having to deal with all of that and many fat women become affected and some become depressed. Good for them to have a community where this nonsense has no currency and they are treated as people who are worthy and acceptable and even attractive.

[MJK]

These photos are of me at 300 to 305.  I competed at this weight.  I am not by any means skinny.  But I am not fat.  I have some fat obviosuly buit who cares.  I am NOT a bodybuilder or ever said I was.  I did what I did and did pretty good at it.  I was training for the 2000 olympics in the Discus.  I was weighing about 293 when I moved to LA to train with a coach who saw me train in Hawaii.  I was throwing 196' then with 2 years to train.  My goal weight was 275.  I was riding my bike 28 miles a day at least 3 to 4 days a week.  At 8am I would ride to the gym which was 7 miles from my house which included some of the biggest hills in the area.  Not a flat ride.  Then I would go back to the gym at 4pm.  That is 28 miles.  On weekends I had a truck tire I filled with cement and would tie a rope around my waist and pull the tire around Diamond Head in Honolulu. I was in the best cardio shape I have been in.  I was still benching 500 and could still put my leg behind my head and do full splits.  Then when I moved to LA within 2 months I got bit by the spider.  For five years my leg was so painful I could barely walk.  Every month my I would get a 102 degree temperture and shiver, my calf would swell up to 31", get so red you could not touch it, the skin would peel and I would leak water from my calf.  This literally happened every month for the first 5 years.  It would get so bad I would spend 4 to 5 hours in my bathtub with the hottest water cause I could not walk.  As the years gone by it has gotten better.  3 years ago I spent christmas and new years (2 weeks) in the hospital cause my leg swelled to 32" and just wouldn't go down.  From my weaked immune system now I get sick when before I never got sick.  I have gotten gout 3 times.  I just got hypoxia and pneumonia.  So if you think I wanted to get fat and sloppy you are kidding yourself.  I made great money with my body the way it was.  I was not a fitness king or a skinny guy or bodybuilder.  I was a guy who when I walked into just about any business or place people would look and ask me what football team I played for or how much I bench or can I feel your muscles.  I was never called fat.  I am trying to lose it and get back into decent shape.  It is taking way longer than I thought cause shit happens along the way.  I can't control that.  So go ahead make fun of me being fat.  But I was not always fat.  These are not excuses.  I have none.  These are just the facts and in some way have affected me mentally where I sometime lose my drive.

What type of spider was it?

[kiwiol]

Cheers, James.

Yes, when fat people have weight loss surgery they usually lose heaps of weight. Some regain that afterwards. It isn't as simple as everyone thinks.

Again, the ones that regain the weight are the ones that indulge in gluttony. It IS that simple.

The smart ones are those that learn from their previous mistake and watch their weight by tweaking their diet and exercising. See our very own Newmom, for example.

Mind you, like Van B pointed out, some people resort to eating as a form of stress relief when they're feeling really low, so the motivations behind the eating habits / weight gain varies from person to person. But what is universal and common to all the fatties is their gorging on food to an extreme degree.

Different people have different ways of coping with stress - the weaker, LAZIER ones find solace in eating, cause on top of indulging themselves, the added weight also makes it easier for them to feel more sorry for themselves, so they can let go of themselves even more.

I have no interest in posting in another forum, esp. to further a campaign like this, but I know that if I made these posts there, the members would put up a united front of resistance and flood me with tons of medical literature, case studies, emotional stories and other excuses and rationalizations, all of which will still not successfully nullify the fact that

They are all obese because they all eat like pigs, period

[EL Mariachi]

bateman would gladly cut some fat

[Vince B]

Kiwi, that is a sad post coming from a bloke who has a brain. You aren't very tolerant, are you? How about all the indigious people in NZ and the islands? Do you call them fatties and ridicule them?

You don't have to go to another forum but you can do something to educate yourself and not be such a thickhead when it comes to fat people. I was on that forum for years so had to hold back this stuff that you think is so sensible and scientific. I am telling you that obesity is a complicated phenomenon and not as simple as your overeating explanation would have it.

They don't have to overeat to get bigger. Read the literature and discover that fat people have different mechanisms and those would be an advantage in times of scarcity. We have a lifestyle that makes gaining fat easy for these people. Our supermarkets and fast food outlets contribute to making food tasty and easy to eat. When you combine everything you find that some people put on fat while others eating the same portions do not. How do you explain that? If you actually listen to fat people you will change your mind about obesity. Oh, down deep you will always suspect that your science is the real explanation and too many calories are consumed. A warning: don't mention dieting to fat people because they are all experts at that.

[kiwiol]

Kiwi, that is a sad post coming from a bloke who has a brain. You aren't very tolerant, are you?

I don't hate fat people nor am I intolerant of them. Just saying that I don't buy all the excuses they make for looking the way they do or their eating habits.

A lot of people today have a tendency to portray themselves as victims and fat people are especially notorious for that behavior. Sure, there are exceptions - there always are, but the majority of the people who are obese did let themselves go and continue to live a lifestyle that makes them be that way or get worse.

Addictions aren't easy to overcome and old habits die hard, but that doesn't mean they are helpless or victims or anything. There are tons (pardon the pun) of former fatties who decided to change their lifestyle and lost the blubber the hard way - exercising and proper dieting. My point is that over 95% of the obese people out there can do the same, which most of them, of course, won't.

Not saying it's easy or simple, but it can be done. No one will weigh 500+ pounds if they eat 1200 - 1500 calories or less from a "clean" diet everyday.

Our supermarkets and fast food outlets contribute to making food tasty and easy to eat. When you combine everything you find that some people put on fat while others eating the same portions do not. How do you explain that?

Simple - the amount that they eat makes all the difference. It's the same as people who drink casually or socially vs chronic alcoholics - they both shop at the same venue that offers them the same choices and range of products, but the former draw a line and limit their consumption while the latter let themselves go and drown in that stuff.

[che]

I don't hate fat people nor am I intolerant of them. Just saying that I don't buy all the excuses they make for looking the way they do or their eating habits.

A lot of people today have a tendency to portray themselves as victims and fat people are especially notorious for that behavior. Sure, there are exceptions - there always are, but the majority of the people who are obese did let themselves go and continue to live a lifestyle that makes them be that way or get worse.

Addictions aren't easy to overcome and old habits die hard, but that doesn't mean they are helpless or victims or anything. There are tons (pardon the pun) of former fatties who decided to change their lifestyle and lost the blubber the hard way - exercising and proper dieting. My point is that over 95% of the obese people out there can do the same, which most of them, of course, won't.

Not saying it's easy or simple, but it can be done. No one will weigh 500+ pounds if they eat 1200 - 1500 calories or less from a "clean" diet everyday.


Simple - the amount that they eat makes all the difference. It's the same as people who drink casually or socially vs chronic alcoholics - they both shop at the same venue that offers them the same choices and range of products, but the former draw a line and limit their consumption while the latter let themselves go and drown in that stuff.

[Vince B]

You are still lumping fat people together and trying to explain the obesity. If we set aside the excuses and explanations provided by the obese population you still have a problem trying to explain all the obesity. When scientists study these people they discover that things aren't as simple as they imagined. There are mechanisms that fat people have that make it easy for them to gain weight and almost impossible for them to lose it permanently. The success rate for fat people dieting is something less than 5%. In other words, 95% of people who diet regain that weight or more after 2 years. That is a fact and a very challenge to all the musclemen who think they know it all. That program The Biggest Loser is a pathetic view of obesity and how to reverse it. I wouldn't give those exercises to my members who are trying to lose fat. It is amazing the ignorance of the people who produced that show. Their instructors are knuckleheads, too, and give the fat people really stupid things to do. I guess it makes good TV. Well, I don't watch that show because of all the foolishness involved.

As more research is done on fat populations things are discovered which takes some of the blame away from them. They are motivated not to be really fat but get that way, anyway, despite their best efforts. If you worked in a gym and had these members as clients you would soon change your mind about protocols and ideas that will reverse the obesity.

[noworries]

Keith, if you were throwing the discus about 60 metres that is an impressive throw. My best was just over 44 metres so what you did was way out there. You need a lot of power and great technique to get it near 200 feet. You have to be quick and very coordinated. Of course, improving and representing the USA is another thing altogether but good for you to have had a go. Damn those dangerous brown recluse spiders.

The thing is I had no idea anything about the Discus when I started.  In fact I had a mail order catalog and called them up.  The guy was asking me all kinds of questions like what material, what weight, what thickness, what diameter, rubber, metal/wood etc.  I had no idea what to say.  I told the guy I wanted to try out for the 2000 Olympics and give me whatever I need to do that.  So he sent me numerous versions including several rubber ones.  I used to have a bag that carried one that I kept with me as much as I could.  I was also trying the shotput.  That lasted only a short while.  I just could not get that down.  And I used to train at the YMCA and at the entrance was a lap pool you could see at check in.  It is exactly 75' which at the time was the World Record.  I just saw how far that was and I just felt I could never do it so I quit that and concentrated on the discus.  At the time I think an East German held the record at 234'.  I had two years to add another 40' onto my throw so it looked good.

I used to train at Kalani High. When I first started I did the old time way.  Then I saw the UCLA track and field championships on TV and saw how they would spin.  So I practiced spinning and man my throw went up dramatically.  The farthest I measured was 196'.  Depending how hard I tried I was almost always over 185'.  I took a tape ,measure and measured out on the grass and took a little gas to kill the grass.  Not exact but close.  A track coach from LA saw me training several times he said as he was in Hawaii on vacation and saw me.  he said he watched me several times and said I had great potential.  He asked me what college I went to and all sorts of stuff and I said I didn't go to college and I am just starting.  That really seemed to fire him up.  he said if I move to LA he would train me as he had a few other track athletes he trained for the Olympics.  So I moved and two months later got bit and that ended everything