War against fat people

[Tapeworm]

LOL. I remember kiwi's comment on this diptych was that the girls didn't actually jump in the second pic, the girl at the right just pushed down on the earth. 

Can't believe I missed that! 

[Mr Nobody]

 

[FREAKgeek]

You can get fat really gradually by not really overeating. That is the point. Just normal meals yet some people store fat from eating the same portions. If you eat 25 extra calories a day for a year you can be about 3 pounds heavier. If you do this for 10 years you gain about 30 pounds. The point is this isn't overeating. You can get fat over a period of time by not eating that much more than you need. Certainly your body doesn't regulate your bodyweight to any precise degree.

You make it sound like huge weight gain can be so accidental, but I don’t agree.  Your 25 calorie example is misleading because you would have to be extremely sedentary to have that extra potato chip theory to work.  By the time you are 30 lbs heavier, your BMR maintenance requirement is almost 200 calories more per day since 10 years ago.  You may say that’s not too significant, but that’s just if you spent every day in bed. You are also going to have to consume an additional amount of calories to maintain that 30 extra lbs If your activity level doesn’t change throughout the decade. This can be substantial if you’re very active, perhaps close to 50% or more the amount than what you normally would of ate 10 years ago!  

[Vince B]

I think you need to download a self-awareness firmware upgrade, Vince. You're now embarrassing yourself.  

You can disguise your nastiness but to me you are still a prick. I hope this helps.

[Vince B]

I think you need to download a self-awareness firmware upgrade, Vince. You're now embarrassing yourself. 

You can disguise your nastiness but are still a prick.

[Vince B]

This study you mentioned is showing exactly what I was trying to say. This lifestyle change, eating habits and lack of exercise are the major contributors for the obesity problems.
I can understand your point that some people have it easier becoming obese because of some hormonal problems in their bodies. But how can you be certain they are living lifestyles exactly the same as people who don't have this problem?

The explanations for obesity omit reports from the obese population. When scientists do in depth studies they don't find fault with them like Getbiggers do. That is my point. We should listen to fat people and not impose our theories of weight loss because we really don't know what we are talking about. The theories work on bodybuilders and young men but not so well on obese subjects.

Everyone accepts that in most cases of large people the causes are excess calories. Some have complications and part of that may be aggravated by obesity. Once obesity takes over in a body the problems get compounded for sure. Sooner or later health issues present and they are usually serious problems.

[wild willie]

All getbiggers that are not schmoes must join the cause.

http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/forums/index.php

That is a forum for fatties to console and comfort eachother for being over weight.  They are trying to get shit like anti-weight discrimination laws passed.  They see nothing wrong at being fat and actually encourage it. 

You need to register on that site, and spam links on there to the 'Fat people's lack of willpower is sickening' thread over here on getbig.  I did it but I got banned.

you must have wonderful self esteem.......why would you sit and pick on people that have issues with weight.......you are an insecure prick......imho

[Vince B]

Just put my two cents in about fat women,  I have no problem listening to them on the phone or seeing them across the street or wherever.  In most cases they are very nice.  But sexually no way could I ever be with one.  I have never ever been with someone that would be considered fat.  I have been very choosy when it comes to that detail.  I have been with some ugly ones but their bodies made up for it and in most cases I didn't eve kiss them.  Moby (my pet name given to me) has a mind of his own, but he can also see.  I have been in situations where he just won't work cause the girl is not attractive enough.  I do not find fat women attractive physically at all.  But they can be very nice and not made fun of

The fact that you don't find fat women attractive doesn't mean that no one does or should. Let us reverse that for a moment. Do you think women find your body attactive? Well, some might but are the majority wrong because they don't fancy fat men?

I think men pride themselves via the partners they fuck or are seen with. This stops many from going with women outside the acceptable range.

[big L dawg]

you must have wonderful self esteem.......why would you sit and pick on people that have issues with weight.......you are an insecure prick......imho

all fat supporters will be executed just the same as the fatties in the fatcentration camps....

[Vince B]

You make it sound like huge weight gain can be so accidental, but I don’t agree.  Your 25 calorie example is misleading because you would have to be extremely sedentary to have that extra potato chip theory to work.  By the time you are 30 lbs heavier, your BMR maintenance requirement is almost 200 calories more per day since 10 years ago.  You may say that’s not too significant, but that’s just if you spent every day in bed. You are also going to have to consume an additional amount of calories to maintain that 30 extra lbs If your activity level doesn’t change throughout the decade. This can be substantial if you’re very active, perhaps close to 50% or more the amount than what you normally would of ate 10 years ago!  

I gave an extreme example to show how weight can creep up and one not be accused of overeating. Getbiggers reverse that and claim that if you are fat you overate. That isn't always true.

Yes, as people get heavier their basal metabolism requires more energy. That, too, will be a gradual thing and the argument still holds.

[dr.chimps]

You can disguise your nastiness but are still a prick.

You've said it twice: I'm a 'prick.' Any other posts you could note that I've (personally) insulted you?  

[Wiggs]

fat people are too tired to fight.

[Vince B]

All fat people do not have a massive inferiority complex. Read Dimensions and see for yourself. This is just another stereotype muscleheads believe to make themselves feel better.

To the guy who is upset that fat people are eating too much while people are starving in the world. I guess that means bodybuilding is unethical for the same reason. Guys eat enough to support 2 or 3 people in third world countries.

[jaejonna]

translation: Vince thinks its cool to be fat

[Vince B]

You've said it twice: I'm a 'prick.' Any other posts you could note that I've (personally) insulted you?  

You are supposed to have a PhD and I respect you for that. I don't respect when you keep correcting my posts and think you are superior. You seldom debate with me but are ever ready for the smart putdown. Your stance is always the professor lecturing to the student.

Surely you can't be oblivous to what you are doing!

[danielson]

Vince and Doc, you guys ever see the Australian film Feed? I just bought it, it's about force feeding, weird movie. Was a big hit over there?

[Chick]

You are supposed to have a PhD and I respect you for that. I don't respect when you keep correcting my posts and think you are superior. You seldom debate with me but are ever ready for the smart putdown. Your stance is always the professor lecturing to the student.

Surely you can't be oblivous to what you are doing!

LOL...sounds familiar, Basile....take some of your own advices sometime...

[Voice of Doom]

What's amazing is how this human "epidemic" started only 30 years ago, only in the Western countries that magically happen to have the most calorie dense, chemically laden, genetically modified and mass manufactured food, the largest percapita number of fast food diners and supermarkets, the highest average pf hours watching TV per day and easily the most sedentary lifestyle.  Everyone drives, everyone eats like shit, everyone feels that hard work and disciple are for others, everyone feels like a victim, and everyone sits around watching the fucking tube all day.  I guess it must be "genetics"...

What's amazing is that large populations like India, Japan, and China that eat less processed and manufactured food, more vegetables, watch less television and usually walk or bike to get around during the day have avoided this "genetic" plague.  Wow...those poor "victim" americans...

[dr.chimps]

What's amazing is how this human "epidemic" started only 30 years ago, only in the Western countries that magically happen to have the most calorie dense, chemically laden, genetically modified and mass manufactured food, the largest percapita number of fast food diners and supermarkets, the highest average pf hours watching TV per day and easily the most sedentary lifestyle.  Everyone drives, everyone eats like shit, everyone feels that hard work and disciple are for others, everyone feels like a victim, and everyone sits around watching the fucking tube all day.  I guess it must be "genetics"...

What's amazing is that large populations like India, Japan, and China that eat less processed and manufactured food, more vegetables, watch less television and usually walk or bike to get around during the day have avoided this "genetic" plague.  Wow...those poor "victim" americans...

I do know that the Pima study that Vince noted is similar to the South Pacific Islanders/'Eskimos' carbohydrate-restricted studies of,say, '70's-80's. 

[che]

What's amazing is how this human "epidemic" started only 30 years ago, only in the Western countries that magically happen to have the most calorie dense, chemically laden, genetically modified and mass manufactured food, the largest percapita number of fast food diners and supermarkets, the highest average pf hours watching TV per day and easily the most sedentary lifestyle.  Everyone drives, everyone eats like shit, everyone feels that hard work and disciple are for others, everyone feels like a victim, and everyone sits around watching the fucking tube all day.  I guess it must be "genetics"...

What's amazing is that large populations like India, Japan, and China that eat less processed and manufactured food, more vegetables, watch less television and usually walk or bike to get around during the day have avoided this "genetic" plague.  Wow...those poor "victim" americans...

QFT

[Vince B]

At the same time as people were getting bigger and fatter there were more gyms. Obviously, most fat people avoid going to gyms. I own a gym and while there are overweight members we seldom see the very obese people join up. If they do they don't stay around very long. However, that is true of most new members so might not be relevant. There is a drop out of members in all gyms. People join up then miss a workout then slowly give up going.

Even the simplest student of obesity can see the relationship between lifestyle and size. When we factor in the negative attitude towards obese people how is it that women, for example, allow themselves to get fat? All the TV shows and magazines suggest that it isn't a state that many cherish and most women find themselves fighting the battle of the bulge. The truth is that most older women tend to be at least overweight.

I keep telling you that these people are not to blame and that those who get fat have different genes that make it easy for them to get fat. Those who do not have this gene can't comprehend how they can let themselves go. Well, nobody does that. Obesity creeps up on them and when it reaches a certain level it is extremely difficult to reverse.

[TestDummy]

LOL What the hell are people thinking when they pose for a picture like that? thats too damn funny!!!

[Tapeworm]

Ok, good stuff, good stuff.  I'm just going to tweak a few small points for ya.

- You have to let at least some of the audience in on the lulz.  Take us along for the ride.

- Not so much with the direct insults, just get some gas on the fire.  You're supposed to make the other guy melt.

- Don't use more keystrokes than the victims combined.  Troll smart, not hard.


Ok places!  And...

"Fat people are just lazy."

[TEsticles]

when i see people give " this excuse and that " about how they cant lose weight and they've tried everything, i say, there where no fat people in auschwitz........

[Vince B]

The one issue we haven't discussed in this thread is hunger. How is it that Keith got obese? Well, he was always big as an adult so perhaps his genes gave him an advantage. Of course, Keith will swear that most of the size was solid and not slobby fat. Fast forward 10 years and how does he explain why he got fat. According to him, being fat is not desirable or welcome. Okay, he wasn't able to train but the guy knows more than Goodrum about training so how did this happen?  My guess is that big bodies make the owner hungry and that feeling takes more food to quell. When fat people have weight loss surgery they also have to make sure the hunger is also reduced and that isn't always easy to do. Toss in a helping of depression and you have a recipe for morbid obesity. That is when bodyfat passes 40%. I am not attacking Keith but trying to use him as an example of how some people get really fat. It isn't always their fault. Granted that Keith was recovering from a nasty spider bite that virtually cripped him for years. Do we simply state that he overate?

Those of us who are not fat and who have to gorge themselves to add any bodyweight conclude that obese people are simply too inactive and overeat. Translated to Getbig jargon they were lazy so let themselves go and ate like pigs.

I have noticed that shopping centers catering to budget shoppers tend to have more fat people. The typical Walmart scenario. It appears that social class in important and lower classes tend to  have more obese people. Whether there is also a correlation between obesity and lower intelligence is a good question. That doesn't mean that all obese people are uneducated and unintelligent. Not at all. Rich people have the resources to do something about ridding themselves of excess fat.