AC 1997 (Nasser's Routine + Finals)!!..

[Palpatine Q]

Good one bro................sound s kinda` familiar!!  LOL 

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

or it could be that flex was extremly arrogant and knew how good nasser looked so he acted lik a jack ass.

It's not arrogance if you can back it up 

Flex knew at his best very few people could touch him that brings with it a certain confidence but I do concede Flex was arrogant due to insecurities which he admitted himself

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[geneticmarvel]

LOL...yes Nasser El Shit-Backy  loses to the superior Wheeler..... who simply dominated the big-headed oaf

Wheeler, the guy with the fake calves and arms and huge ego?

[Parker]

Wheeler, the guy with the fake calves and arms and huge ego?

Where are the fake calves? And the syn went into the delts...

[herne]

Watched this competition on tape a few weeks ago. Top 4 all looked good.

[bigbobs]

No shit, Nasser was 280, Flex was 224, but he looked better and had better detail. Flex also won the Most Muscular Award as well. Hmmm, and in 1999 when Nasser won the AC, Kevin Levrone also won the Most Muscular Award, so you can't argue that it only goes to the winner of the AC.
it's more than the amount, it's he quality. For such a big dude, he lacked quality where it counts, his back detail. Now, why is that. Was he such a egomaniac that he thought only his size counted? Did he fall into the trap of quanity over quality? Even Flex fell into later on, it sometimes claims the best and most level headed bbers.

So Levrone was "more muscular" than Nasser, yet lost the show, so what areas did Nasser overcome him in?  Giving Wheeler and Levrone "Most Muscular" award over Nasser who is clearly more muscular is a joke.  Size is one of Nasser's advantages over  Levrone, so  if they are saying Levrone is more muscular than Nasser then why did Nasser beat  him?  Unless they have a different definition for what is "more muscular?"

[bigbobs]

I used to admire Nasser until the clown posse changed my mind for me.

You are a very weak man, changing your opinion on someone based on what others say 

[bigbobs]

Why dont you show other poses?  Oh yeah, because you are biased, forgot

[NarcissisticDeity]

So Levrone was "more muscular" than Nasser, yet lost the show, so what areas did Nasser overcome him in?  Giving Wheeler and Levrone "Most Muscular" award over Nasser who is clearly more muscular is a joke.  Size is one of Nasser's advantages over  Levrone, so  if they are saying Levrone is more muscular than Nasser then why did Nasser beat  him?  Unless they have a different definition for what is "more muscular?"

There is a big difference muscular size and muscularity , which is why Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter

Nasser is carrying more size but it's not that dense , hard stripped muscular size , less fat less water = better muscularity

[bigbobs]

Different show (98 olympia) but shows that Nasser's lat spread had much more width than Flex even though that's his worst bodypart!

[bigbobs]

There is a big difference muscular size and muscularity , which is why Dorian beat Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter

Nasser is carrying more size but it's not that dense , hard stripped muscular size , less fat less water = better muscularity

Okay so what did he have over Levrone in 99 AC then that allowed him to overcome his apparent lack of muscularity and still win? 

[bigbobs]

Here Wheeler doesnt even look like a bodybuilder next to Nasser and Ronnie.  Just doing all this cause ND likes to keep reposting pics of Wheeler's strongest pose vs. Nasser's weakest pose as his "unbiased" comparison lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Different show (98 olympia) but shows that Nasser's lat spread had more width than Flex even though that's his worst bodypart!

He should have more width he's much heavier and width means what? he has no depth to his back , he has no separation , he has no density he's behind in very other aspect marginal width is no advantage

[TrueGrit]

Damn, even the commentators be hatin' on his back...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here Wheeler doesnt even look like a bodybuilder next to Nasser and Ronnie.  Just doing all this cause ND likes to keep reposting pics of Wheeler's strongest pose vs. Nasser's weakest pose as his "unbiased" comparison lol

I've said Nasser beats him in some poses , but when all things are consider he still losses

[NarcissisticDeity]

Okay so what did he have over Levrone in 99 AC then that allowed him to overcome his apparent lack of muscularity and still win? 

In all probability Kevin was off hence why Nasser won  Kevin's muscularity was off ,  he only won when the top guys were off nothing new

[The_Hammer]

NASSER HAD A REALLY SHITTY BACK

[bigbobs]

In all probability Kevin was off hence why Nasser won  Kevin's muscularity was off ,  he only won when the top guys were off nothing new

You didnt answer my question - if Nasser was indeed less muscular than Levrone - he must have been far ahead in some other criteria?  What criteria would that be?  Like you said Nasser won because Kevin's muscularity was off, yet according to the judges Kevin's muscularity was still greater than Nasser's - yet Nasser won - so what's missing here?

[bigbobs]

and lemme guess, Levrone was also "off" in the 96 Olympia, 97 Arnold Classic, 97 Olympia, 98 Olympia, 98 Arnold Classic and of course 99 Arnold Classic too?  

[Parker]

Okay so what did he have over Levrone in 99 AC then that allowed him to overcome his apparent lack of muscularity and still win? 

What did he have? Well he was giving the AC if you post pics, Levrone was clearly the better. Some say, that they punished Levrone for coming in lighter, others like Flex editor Peter M, said Levrone came in flat . It was widely known that nobody knew which Levrone was going to show up, the lighter one or the FullBlown one. Or using your excuse, politics. Since Levrone already won it twice, it was time to give it to Nasser. But the consolation prize went to Levrone...as a wink and a nod. I don't know who votes on the MM award, possibly Arnold himself.

Just like Cormier losing to Cutler for 3 straight yrs at the Arnold, when he clearly was better.

Also to answer you Flex question, Flex has cross striations in his quads, one of the few bbers to have that. It adds a lot in terms of detail. In the Musclemag that featured the contest, the up close pics of Flex's quads are unreal.

Also, yes Nasser's rear lat spread is wider than Flex's, he was narrow. It is his small waist that gives him the illusion of width from the front.

[bigbobs]

What did he have? Well he was giving the AC if you post pics, Levrone was clearly the better. Some say, that they punished Levrone for coming in lighter, others like Flex editor Peter M, said Levrone came in flat . It was widely known that nobody knew which Levrone was going to show up, the lighter one or the FullBlown one. Or using your excuse, politics. Since Levrone already won it twice, it was time to give it to Nasser. But the consolation prize went to Levrone...as a wink and a nod. I don't know who votes on the MM award, possibly Arnold himself.

Just like Cormier losing to Cutler for 3 straight yrs at the Arnold, when he clearly was better.

Also to answer you Flex question, Flex has cross striations in his quads, one of the few bbers to have that. It adds a lot in terms of detail. In the Musclemag that featured the contest, the up close pics of Flex's quads are unreal.

Also, yes Nasser's rear lat spread is wider than Flex's, he was narrow. It is his small waist that gives him the illusion of width from the front.

You're saying the judges punished Levrone for being too light at the 99 Arnold Classic but he lost to Nasser in every major show (Olympia and AC) prior to that all the way back to the 95 Olympia (95 Owas the last major show that Levrone beat Nasser in until the 99 Olympia which is after the 99 AC).  Or were the judges punishing Levrone for being light in all these shows?  

Anyway I'm more curious on ND's explanation of how Nasser would win if Levrone is more muscular (since muscularity is one of Nasser's strongpoints), and since ND believes judging is ALWAYS right and there is no politics or "punishing"

[Parker]

You're saying the judges punished Levrone for being too light at the 99 Arnold Classic but he lost to Nasser in every major show (Olympia and AC) prior to that all the way back to the 95 Olympia (95 Owas the last major Levrone beat Nasser in until the 99 Olympia which is after the 99 AC).  Or were the judges punishing Levrone for being light in all these shows?  

Anyway I'm more curious on ND's explanation of how Nasser would win if Levrone is more muscular (since muscularity is one of Nasser's strongpoints), and since ND believes judging is ALWAYS right and there is no politics or "punishing"

Did you not read what I said about Chris Cormier? He lost to Cutler 3x, when CC had the better physique, more cuts, density, and shape. Cutler looked like a brick with arms. Could they have been buying the hype that Cutler was "next", that he was the one push Ronnie? Could CC's issues with Ahmo Hight back in 96 have been following him, and some judges viewed him as a woman beater, so it would not have been good PR (for the contest or Arnold himself) to have him win the AC, lord knows what the headlines could have read.

Judges have been known to punish bbers. Look what they did at Flex at the 95 Mr. O, or recently Wolfe this past yr. Or Phil and Dex and Kai.

Look I give props for Nasser being a top bber, but let's face it, Flex was better. Period, he has Arnold's stamp on that, and he is basically Zeus when it comes to those decrees.

[Palpatine Q]

and lemme guess, Levrone was also "off" in the 96 Olympia, 97 Arnold Classic, 97 Olympia, 98 Olympia, 98 Arnold Classic and of course 99 Arnold Classic too?  

Here we go again......

Both Levrone and Wheeler  beat Nasser WAAAAAY more than he beat them, they were better than him...end of story.

Do you really want everyone to start posting head-to-head stats, number of victories, avg finish, etc....etc.....all over again ??

Nasser wasn't the best bobs...or second third or fourth best, for the record

[bigbobs]

Here we go again......

Both Levrone and Wheeler  beat Nasser WAAAAAY more than he beat them, they were better than him...end of story.

Do you really want everyone to start posting head-to-head stats, number of victories, avg finish, etc....etc.....all over again ??

Nasser wasn't the best bobs...or second third or fourth best, for the record

was in response to Parker saying that Levrone was "punished" for coming in too small in 99 AC - that would only make sense if Levrone was placing higher than  Nasser before the 99 AC then all of a sudden came smaller, but like my post said that wasn't the case.

Doesnt surprise me that you weren't able to follow the logic of my post