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GAO: U.S. Post Office is "no longer viable".
« on: April 12, 2010, 02:19:48 PM »
GAO: Postal Service business 'not viable'
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Happy Monday! The U.S. Postal Service's current business model "is not viable" and the mail agency should make deeper job and wage cuts, hire more part-time staff and consider outsourcing operations, according to a draft of a government audit acquired by The Federal Eye.

Auditors also urge Congress to remove restrictions on the Postal Service's ability to cut Saturday mail delivery and close post offices, according to the report, which offers recommendations similar to the USPS's own proposed 10-year business plan.

Lawmakers requested the Government Accountability Office report, set for a Monday release, as they prepare to consider the USPS plan, which was introduced last month. The proposals call for an end to six-day delivery and ask Congress to give the mail agency the ability to raise prices beyond the rate of inflation and close post offices if necessary. (The full report is out -- read it here.)

The report's conclusions pleased top postal officials who are gathered this week in Nashville for the annual National Postal Forum, a convention for the mail agency's largest customers.

Postmaster General John E. Potter said Sunday he was pleased with the GAO's general conclusions, but concerned with suggestions in the report that further study of the issue is required.

"We've studied this significantly, the time for study is over, now's the time for action," he said.

Potter and his colleagues estimate the Postal Service will lose a record $7 billion in the fiscal year that ends in September and could lose at least $238 billion in the next decade if Congress fails to act.

Auditors appeared to push beyond the USPS proposal. "If no action is taken, risks of larger USPS losses, rate increases and taxpayer subsides will increase," GAO said.

The Postal Service should provide more lucrative incentive packages to potential retirees to try to accelerate attrition, auditors said. They also recommended USPS consider outsourcing more delivery routes and mail services to contractors and seek concessions on wage and benefits from its labor unions during negotiations later this year.

Lawmakers also should consider establishing a panel similar to the Base Realignment and Closure Commission to independently recommend changes, the report said. Auditors suggested that more details are needed about potential delivery cuts and post office closures.

Most lawmakers and regulators have reacted tepidly to proposed changes. Potter's meetings in Nashville will be mostly with customers who could suffer from proposed cuts and price increases.

GAO concluded that the recession served as the "tipping point" that accelerated a shift away from traditional snail mail for most of the Postal Service's biggest customers, including insurance and banking companies.

Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), who will lead postal reform efforts in the Senate, said that if GAO's conclusions are correct, "it is imperative that Congress, postal management, postal employees, customers and other stakeholders give up on old fights and biases and work together to cut the Postal Service's costs and adjust its operations to meet a changing environment."


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Re: GAO: U.S. Post Office is "no longer viable".
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 02:32:29 PM »
USPS = Constitutionally Mandated.
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Re: GAO: U.S. Post Office is "no longer viable".
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 03:17:22 PM »
USPS = Constitutionally Mandated.


No, it's not.  It says Congress can establish post offices, not that Congress must establish post offices.


You do understand the difference, Renaissance man?

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 03:33:30 PM »
Ha ha ha.   Lmao. 

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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 05:27:18 PM »

No, it's not.  It says Congress can establish post offices, not that Congress must establish post offices.


You do understand the difference, Renaissance man?
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Hope this helps.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mandate

Main Entry: 1man·date
Pronunciation: \ˈman-ˌdāt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French & Latin; Middle French mandat, from Latin mandatum, from neuter of mandatus, past participle of mandare to entrust, enjoin, probably irregular from manus hand + -dere to put — more at manual, do
Date: 1501
1 : an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2 : an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3 a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory b : a mandated territory
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Re: GAO: U.S. Post Office is "no longer viable".
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 05:37:35 PM »
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Hope this helps.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mandate

Main Entry: 1man·date
Pronunciation: \ˈman-ˌdāt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French & Latin; Middle French mandat, from Latin mandatum, from neuter of mandatus, past participle of mandare to entrust, enjoin, probably irregular from manus hand + -dere to put — more at manual, do
Date: 1501
1 : an authoritative command; especially : a formal order from a superior court or official to an inferior one
2 : an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people>
3 a : an order or commission granted by the League of Nations to a member nation for the establishment of a responsible government over a former German colony or other conquered territory b : a mandated territory

LOL.  Dude.  When you make a mistake just admit it already and move on.   :)

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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 06:07:11 PM »
no doubt it's got financial challenged just like every other thing in our government but don't hold your breath waiting for it to go away

look at what's changed in the last 30 years - faxes, emails, webinars, etc....

it's got to evolve like everything else and find new ways to generate revenue and cut costs but it will still be around when everyone reading this post will be dead

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 07:20:54 PM »
LOL.  Dude.  When you make a mistake just admit it already and move on.   :)
Do you not know the meaning of mandate?
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Re: GAO: U.S. Post Office is "no longer viable".
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2010, 07:24:33 PM »
Do you not know the meaning of mandate?

Yep.  I also know the difference between mandatory and discretionary language.  So does Skip8282.  But you?   :-\

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2010, 07:25:03 PM »
no doubt it's got financial challenged just like every other thing in our government but don't hold your breath waiting for it to go away

look at what's changed in the last 30 years - faxes, emails, webinars, etc....

it's got to evolve like everything else and find new ways to generate revenue and cut costs but it will still be around when everyone reading this post will be dead
that doesnt mean that its doing fine... ;)

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2010, 07:26:56 PM »
Yep.  I also know the difference between mandatory and discretionary language.  So does Skip8282.  But you?   :-\
I don`t really think you understand the term or else you and Skip wouldn`t have made such a blunder. 
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2010, 07:34:08 PM »
I don`t really think you understand the term or else you and Skip wouldn`t have made such a blunder. 

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitutition reads in part as follows:

"The Congress shall have Power . . . To establish Post Offices and post Roads . . . ." 

That doesn't require Congress to establish post offices.  It simply gives Congress the power to establish them. 

If the language read "Congress shall establish," then it would be a mandatory requirement. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2010, 07:37:15 PM »
Article I, Section 8 of the Constitutition reads in part as follows:

"The Congress shall have Power . . . To establish Post Offices and post Roads . . . ."  

That doesn't require Congress to establish post offices.  It simply gives Congress the power to establish them.  

If the language read "Congress shall establish," then it would be a mandatory requirement.  
Again, you need to learn what a mandate is and/or the definition of the word as it applies to a Governing body, in this case the Constitution.  For example, the Constitution also mandates that a Census be taken.

President Bush also had a mandate that he was so fond of.  He didn`t carry all of it out, but boy he sure was proud of it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2010, 07:38:37 PM »
Article I, Section 8 of the Constitutition reads in part as follows:

"The Congress shall have Power . . . To establish Post Offices and post Roads . . . ." 

That doesn't require Congress to establish post offices.  It simply gives Congress the power to establish them. 

If the language read "Congress shall establish," then it would be a mandatory requirement. 
Sorry, a mandatory requirement is NOT a mandate.  A mandatory requirement sounds more akin to a law.
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2010, 07:40:49 PM »
This may help you a bit Beach Bum with "mandate",



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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2010, 07:44:29 PM »
Again, you need to learn what a mandate is and/or the definition of the word as it applies to a Governing body, in this case the Constitution.  For example, the Constitution also mandates that a Census be taken.

President Bush also had a mandate that he was so fond of.  He didn`t carry all of it out, but boy he sure was proud of it.



You don't know what the heck you're talking about.  The census requirement is in Article I, Section 2.  When talking about representatives and taxes, it says "The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of Congress . . . and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct." 

The difference is the language "shall be made," which is a requirement, as opposed to "shall have the power to," which is not a requirement. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2010, 07:44:39 PM »
Sorry, a mandatory requirement is NOT a mandate.  A mandatory requirement sounds more akin to a law.


Nope, you didn't use it as a noun.  You used it as a verb, hence mandated = mandatory.

Constituitional mandate = noun.

Constitutionally mandated = verb (ie. an action that must be undertaken)

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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2010, 07:48:15 PM »
Wow, just wow.  Fooled by Semantics, incapable of reading a dictionary. 

I give up.  You want to make your own reality, fine.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2010, 07:50:43 PM »
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Face it, you lost again.

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2010, 07:52:06 PM »
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Face it, you lost again.
Any rational person reading this would not see it that way. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2010, 07:52:51 PM »
Any rational person reading this would not see it that way. 


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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2010, 07:53:29 PM »
Any rational person reading this would not see it that way. 

LOL!   ;D  Now this is the funniest thread of the day.   :D

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2010, 07:54:08 PM »

Do you need a hug?
No. but you need a Dictionary.  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2010, 08:18:05 PM »

Nope, you didn't use it as a noun.  You used it as a verb, hence mandated = mandatory.

Constituitional mandate = noun.

Constitutionally mandated = verb (ie. an action that must be undertaken)
^THIS^ and yes TA there is a difference

in your version they are required to

in the REAL VERSION they have the ability to...

small change but big difference

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2010, 08:24:16 PM »
^THIS^ and yes TA there is a difference

in your version they are required to

in the REAL VERSION they have the ability to...

small change but big difference
Again,

Mandated is a synonym for Authorized.  Dictionaries are like Kryptonite to  Republicans.  Then, there is the problem of comprehension which I won`t even bother to go into.

I hope this helps although I am sure it won`t:

http://thesaurus.com/browse/mandate
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