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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2010, 05:09:56 PM »
if ND would have channeled all the time and energy over the years into the sheer quantity of words he has produced arguing the superiority of dorian yates.......he could have penned the great american novel


Tell me about it, 4 years of arguing in the same thread he created. ???

I think he even used to sign in other boards that had the Ronnie vs Dorian topic just to defend his hero.






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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2010, 05:30:45 PM »
Sure, I respect your opinion.
It just seems some of you get offended or upset when someone else says something against Dorian.

Not at all.  What I find amusing though, is when people such as yourself have the audacity to question what is overwhelmingly considered one of the most dominant victories ever, based on what?  The victory was extremely dominant according to the judging guidelines by which contests are determined, which is what matters.  That is what makes it dominant and a point of fact.  

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2010, 05:31:29 PM »
You said you had facts, I did not. ;)

Why don't you tell me something I don't know.
I know all rounds are physique rounds. Meaning symmetry, muscular development and posing are all taken into consideration in each round, plus the rest of the criteria.

I also know that if a pose is called side tricep, it doesn't mean only the tricep is getting analyzed, but the whole physique.
I just letting you know of this in case you try to "correct" me of not knowing. ;)

Yes, I know this is how it all works. I said that Shawn's quads gave him an advantage in that particular pose since the rest of the muscle groups visible in that pose were pretty much even between the two.

I can see muscular bulk being an advantage for Dorian, but how about Shawn's arms, delts and legs being better developed despite his lighter weight.
Dorian had an advantage in density, but Shawn was greatly conditioned too. So he wasn't as far behind as you like to think.
Balance and proportion? I would say they were pretty equal, but Shawn had advantage in this criteria in some poses.
Shawn's posing was always better.
Shawn was not dwarfed by Dorian in this pose if you actually are careful to see it. Dorian's lats were wider, but Shawn's didn't disappear. How about Dorian's narrow looking quads? His lack of vastus lateralis?
Dorian had better calves, Shawn had better quads, which were more proportionate in the leg development?

All criteria taken into consideration and every muscle group assesed. Dorian wins, but not dominating.





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You said you had facts, I did not. ;)

I said it was a fact and if you disagree with the facts the onus is on you to prove them wrong  ;)

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Why don't you tell me something I don't know.
I know all rounds are physique rounds. Meaning symmetry, muscular development and posing are all taken into consideration in each round, plus the rest of the criteria.

bullshit you did if you did then you'd know Shawn couldn't beat Dorian because his quads were more developed

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I also know that if a pose is called side tricep, it doesn't mean only the tricep is getting analyzed, but the whole physique.
I just letting you know of this in case you try to "correct" me of not knowing. ;)

again entertaining you'd did know this you'd know then Shawn doesn't beat Dorian in the ab-thigh in fact doesn't fucking come close

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Yes, I know this is how it all works. I said that Shawn's quads gave him an advantage in that particular pose since the rest of the muscle groups visible in that pose were pretty much even between the two.

LMFAO pretty much even , their backs are pretty much even? their calves? their chests? you're delusional and your opinion is just flat out stupid

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I can see muscular bulk being an advantage for Dorian, but how about Shawn's arms, delts and legs being better developed despite his lighter weight.
Dorian had an advantage in density, but Shawn was greatly conditioned too. So he wasn't as far behind as you like to think.
Balance and proportion? I would say they were pretty equal, but Shawn had advantage in this criteria in some poses.

Better? wow that was a blanket statement , not points , no elaboration we'll just take your word all those parts are better  ::) and it's easy to be hard and dry when you're 205 pounds but next to impossible at 260 pounds , density & dryness don't mean much when you can't back it up with muscular bulk and Shawn couldn't , Shawn tried to compete at 215lbs one year and guess what his conditioning suffered for it

balance & proportion Dorian has the clear advantage even with the torn bicep ! and Shawn does meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian in certain poses but that's not how it's done , Dorian has meets more of the criteria better than Shawn in ALL of the criteria and that's how it works

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Shawn's posing was always better.
Shawn was not dwarfed by Dorian in this pose if you actually are careful to see it. Dorian's lats were wider, but Shawn's didn't disappear. How about Dorian's narrow looking quads? His lack of vastus lateralis?
Dorian had better calves, Shawn had better quads, which were more proportionate in the leg development?

All criteria taken into consideration and every muscle group assesed. Dorian wins, but not dominating.

Another blanket statement Shawn's posing was always better  ::) why? elaborate because he twirls around? and poses slow?  ::) and once again I have to explain to you that even in the posing rounds ALL of the judging criteria is assessed , in the posing rounds the judges are looking for who has the superior muscular bulk , who is the densest , driest , who has better balance , you don't know how contests are judged especially with this dumb statement

Shawn was dwarfed by Dorian NOT even close , not even open for discussion anything to the contrary wont be entertained. and don't cherry-pick what you think wins a contest. You think Shawn wins because he has better quads , yet worse calves and worse proportion in his legs? Shawn had short legs , high calves this my friend isn't a greatly balanced and proportionate leg , much to learn you have

Dorian won in dominating fashion it's ironic you keep mentioning Shawn when in fact he was a very distant fourth , Dorian was so far ahead in all aspects of the judging criteria there was no one even close to him , Paul Dillett in fact said about Yates at the 1995 Mr Olympia that " I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates " this is coming from someone who rarely gives any compliments to fellow competitors , his combo in 1995 was just as dominate as it was in 1993 , there was NO contest Dorian won from the moment he stepped on-stage


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2010, 05:34:16 PM »

Tell me about it, 4 years of arguing in the same thread he created. ???

I think he even used to sign in other boards that had the Ronnie vs Dorian topic just to defend his hero.







Hahahahaa says the gimmick who is acting like he's above arguing about this topic  ;D and to prove you wrong again , Dorian isn't my hero not by a long shot  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2010, 05:53:21 PM »
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The more I watch this 1995 Olympia prejudging clips, the more I see that this was not a dominant win at all

the pics show the same thing as the video.

dorian getting owned in many shots.

but these idiots will deny it all. ::)
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2010, 05:56:49 PM »
You guys must be bored to death of all this arguing don't you?

no. publicly owning ND and Co. never gets old.

its so easy and fun.

its too bad they aren't smart enough for it to be a challenge though.

that would have been even better.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2010, 06:04:31 PM »
The most dominant Mr. O victory should go to Arnold Schwarzenegger in 1971.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2010, 06:07:03 PM »
 Well, if you rip off Dorian's arms and liposuction his abs up he'll look alright.....

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #133 on: April 18, 2010, 07:04:32 PM »
Yup yates was a disgusting pile of dog shit. 
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #134 on: April 18, 2010, 07:44:57 PM »
not sure if I would go quite that far, but ronnie was clearly much better at his best.

that much I do know 8)
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #135 on: April 18, 2010, 09:32:37 PM »
the pics show the same thing as the video.

dorian getting owned in many shots.

but these idiots will deny it all. ::)
Oh brother...your selective pics certainly don't show what the video shows.  Your denial continually reaches new heights.  Btw...nice pic of the front relaxed you picked there  ::)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2010, 09:41:02 PM »
95 wasn't even close...

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2010, 10:00:54 PM »
You guys must be bored to death of all this arguing don't you?

Haven't checked this thread in a few days. I should have known it would deteriorate into this... Sad, just sad the amount of time INVESTED in trying to prove you are right with someone you hate as much as they hate each other. Been going on for half a decade now!! Incredible.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #138 on: April 19, 2010, 01:16:46 AM »
no. publicly owning ND and Co. never gets old.

its so easy and fun.

its too bad they aren't smart enough for it to be a challenge though.

that would have been even better.

Yup just like you owned us with your overwhelming visual proof , Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex and Ronnie ' dominated ' in 2001 and Ronnie has ' more detailed calves ' than Dorian did  ;D  ;)

the only thing you prove is how much of a troll you are.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #139 on: April 19, 2010, 01:19:36 AM »
Haven't checked this thread in a few days. I should have known it would deteriorate into this... Sad, just sad the amount of time INVESTED in trying to prove you are right with someone you hate as much as they hate each other. Been going on for half a decade now!! Incredible.

Not trying to prove a negative , only pointing out Hulkster's obsession with trolling , only pointing out the fact he's in yet another Yates thread crying like a little bitch and posting Ronnie pics. it's all he knows

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #140 on: April 19, 2010, 01:47:12 AM »
Better calves Dorian
better arms ronnie
better back ronnie
better delts ronnie
better arms ronnie
petter pecs ronnie
better symetry ronnie
better muscle shape ronnie
better genetics ronnie
better vascularity ronnie
doesn't take a genius or a bbing judge to see this
choice is an illusion

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #141 on: April 19, 2010, 03:02:46 AM »
Better calves Dorian
better arms ronnie
better back Dorian
better delts ronnie
better arms ronnie
petter pecs Dorian
better symetry Dorian
better muscle shape ronnie
better genetics ronnie
better conditioning Dorian
doesn't take a genius or a bbing judge to see this

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #142 on: April 19, 2010, 06:31:09 AM »
Yeah but you forgot dorian has him on grainyness  :-X :-X ::) ::) ??? ??? :-X :-X
hahaha Dorian should be compared to
j p fux both hAve similarly UGLY phsiques
I don't know why people compare peak Coleman to "peak" Dorian no comparision what soever
Dorian is the worst mr o bar chris Dickerson
segio
Arnold
Scott
Coleman
all had better builds
even though he is grainy  ::)
choice is an illusion

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #143 on: April 19, 2010, 07:00:04 AM »
Better calves Dorian
better arms ronnie
better back Dorian
better delts ronnie
better arms ronnie
petter pecs Dorian
better symetry Dorian
better muscle shape ronnie
better genetics ronnie
better conditioning Dorian
doesn't take a genius or a bbing judge to see this


you repeated "arms" twice!!..

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #144 on: April 19, 2010, 07:16:12 AM »
you repeated "arms" twice!!..

I see no harm in that.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #145 on: April 19, 2010, 08:46:11 AM »
Better calves Dorian
better arms ronnie
better back Dorian
better delts ronnie
better arms ronnie
petter pecs Dorian
better symetry Dorian
better muscle shape ronnie
better genetics ronnie
better conditioning Dorian
doesn't take a genius or a bbing judge to see this


 ::)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #146 on: April 19, 2010, 09:14:54 AM »
I see no harm in that.

may be he meant the left arm then the right one :-X

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #147 on: April 19, 2010, 12:18:23 PM »
I don't know why people compare peak Coleman to "peak" Dorian no comparision what soever

I agree 100% there is no point in trying to compare Dorian to Ronnie. As good as Dorian was, Ronnie took it to a next level and was just better.

This is like trying to compare Larry Scott to Arnold or Frank Zane to Lee Haney.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #148 on: April 19, 2010, 12:34:22 PM »
I said it was a fact and if you disagree with the facts the onus is on you to prove them wrong  ;)

bullshit you did if you did then you'd know Shawn couldn't beat Dorian because his quads were more developed

again entertaining you'd did know this you'd know then Shawn doesn't beat Dorian in the ab-thigh in fact doesn't fucking come close

LMFAO pretty much even , their backs are pretty much even? their calves? their chests? you're delusional and your opinion is just flat out stupid

Better? wow that was a blanket statement , not points , no elaboration we'll just take your word all those parts are better  ::) and it's easy to be hard and dry when you're 205 pounds but next to impossible at 260 pounds , density & dryness don't mean much when you can't back it up with muscular bulk and Shawn couldn't , Shawn tried to compete at 215lbs one year and guess what his conditioning suffered for it

balance & proportion Dorian has the clear advantage even with the torn bicep ! and Shawn does meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian in certain poses but that's not how it's done , Dorian has meets more of the criteria better than Shawn in ALL of the criteria and that's how it works


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bullshit you did if you did then you'd know Shawn couldn't beat Dorian because his quads were more developed

I never said Shawn should've or could've beaten Dorian in 1995. I just said Dorian's win wasn't as dominant as some make it out to be.
I was just using Shawn as an example by the way, I don't care if he came in 4th. I could've used Nasser too as he was even closer to Dorian.
I just prefer Shawn's build, which is why I was using him to compare to Dorian.

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again entertaining you'd did know this you'd know then Shawn doesn't beat Dorian in the ab-thigh in fact doesn't fucking come close

Because who think so?

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LMFAO pretty much even , their backs are pretty much even? their calves? their chests? you're delusional and your opinion is just flat out stupid

Yes, stupid because you say so...... ::)
In that particular pose for me: Dorian's back is wider and better, his calves alone are better, their chests are even. Arms go to Shawn, quads go to Shawn.
Dorian had better density, but Shawn was greatly conditioned too. Both had flaws in proportion criteria.

This again proves what I was trying to say: Dorian won, but he didn't crush his competiton.
The same thing could be done if you compare him to Nasser, their ab&thigh pose is even closer.

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Better? wow that was a blanket statement , not points , no elaboration we'll just take your word all those parts are better  ::)

Isn't this what you're doing?

Anyway, I can say why I think Shawn's quads were better: they were completely developed and had much better separations.
Dorian had oddly shaped quads, his vastus lateralis muscle was not fully developed and his quads looked narrow from the front.

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Shawn does meet part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian in certain poses but that's not how it's done , Dorian has meets more of the criteria better than Shawn in ALL of the criteria and that's how it works

Which is why I said: Dorian deserved to win without a doubt, but he didn't crush everyone else. ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #149 on: April 19, 2010, 12:51:18 PM »
Another blanket statement Shawn's posing was always better  ::) why? elaborate because he twirls around? and poses slow?  ::) and once again I have to explain to you that even in the posing rounds ALL of the judging criteria is assessed , in the posing rounds the judges are looking for who has the superior muscular bulk , who is the densest , driest , who has better balance , you don't know how contests are judged especially with this dumb statement

Shawn was dwarfed by Dorian NOT even close , not even open for discussion anything to the contrary wont be entertained. and don't cherry-pick what you think wins a contest. You think Shawn wins because he has better quads , yet worse calves and worse proportion in his legs? Shawn had short legs , high calves this my friend isn't a greatly balanced and proportionate leg , much to learn you have

Dorian won in dominating fashion it's ironic you keep mentioning Shawn when in fact he was a very distant fourth , Dorian was so far ahead in all aspects of the judging criteria there was no one even close to him , Paul Dillett in fact said about Yates at the 1995 Mr Olympia that " I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates " this is coming from someone who rarely gives any compliments to fellow competitors , his combo in 1995 was just as dominate as it was in 1993 , there was NO contest Dorian won from the moment he stepped on-stage


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Another blanket statement Shawn's posing was always better  ::) why? elaborate because he twirls around? and poses slow?  ::) and once again I have to explain to you that even in the posing rounds ALL of the judging criteria is assessed , in the posing rounds the judges are looking for who has the superior muscular bulk , who is the densest , driest , who has better balance , you don't know how contests are judged especially with this dumb statement

Again I have to say: I know that in all posing rounds all criteria is assesed.
I was just mentioning ONE aspect of the criteria Shawn had an advantage on: posing. Dorian best met most of the criteria, which is why he won fairly. But again, he didn't dominate.
As far as why I think Shawn had better posing: I always say Dorian as a bad poser, he seemed as he was about to step on his own feet and stumble everytime he transitioned to a back pose from a front pose or viceversa.
Shawn is also regarded as one of the best posers in bodybuilding, I never read about anyone saying that about Dorian.

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Shawn was dwarfed by Dorian NOT even close , not even open for discussion anything to the contrary wont be entertained. and don't cherry-pick what you think wins a contest. You think Shawn wins because he has better quads , yet worse calves and worse proportion in his legs? Shawn had short legs , high calves this my friend isn't a greatly balanced and proportionate leg , much to learn you have

For the 10th time, I never said Shawn should've won the 95 Olympia. :-\
I can see Dorian dwarfing Shawn because of his massively wide back, but when the rest of the bodyparts are taken into consideration.....
If you use Nasser to compare to Dorian, there is even less "dwarfing". Which proves that Dorian won, but not crushing everyone.
Shawn had short legs compared to Dorian, but his legs were not short for his height and torso length. Lee Priest is an example of short legs with a long torso.
Shawn's calves were high inserted, but Dorian had incomplete quads. His legs weren't perfectly balanced and proportionate either.