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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #200 on: April 20, 2010, 05:32:31 PM »
okay so the entire balance & proportion of his physique was ruined by having one bicep shorter than the other , gotcha lol

and Ronnie in fact got worse the heavier he became which is exactly why his lightest weights are considered his best , 2001 he was 245 pounds , 1998 249 pounds . He got worse the heavier he became because his balance & proportion got worse ( more exaggerated ) and his conditioning suffered as well , two areas mind you Dorian's physique stayed the same the heavier he became AT HIS BEST mind you not at the 1997 Mr Olympia

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okay so the entire balance & proportion of his physique was ruined by having one bicep shorter than the other , gotcha lol

It wasn't only the torn bicep ND...........

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and Ronnie in fact got worse the heavier he became which is exactly why his lightest weights are considered his best , 2001 he was 245 pounds , 1998 249 pounds . He got worse the heavier he became because his balance & proportion got worse ( more exaggerated ) and his conditioning suffered as well , two areas mind you Dorian's physique stayed the same the heavier he became AT HIS BEST mind you not at the 1997 Mr Olympia

First of, Dorian also got worse the heavier he got. His proportions suffered, his symmetry suffered.

Second of all, lets say Dorian was heavier than Ronnie at Ronnie's best. Does this mean he was better? Absolutely not. You were just argumenting that Flex Wheeler was better than Nasser despite being lighter in another thread, its the same in this case.
Ronnie was lighter, but more complete and impressive than Dorian.


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #201 on: April 20, 2010, 05:40:20 PM »
The old fun ploy huh? never saw that before  ::)

who is upset? you're fond of making assumptions huh? projecting are we? Hulkster is a joke even to people who agree Ronnie is better ! you put that out there and I just exposed Hulkster's massive perception flaws and if you agree with him you're in good company

there is NO argument with Hulkster , he can't even get the basics right , what there is , is Hulkster trolling in a Yates thread getting his ignorance exposed and him melting down . nothing new

the ' argument ' ended when Ronnie said for the third time he couldn't beat Dorian and thus the meltdowns have ensued  ;)

My post wasn't even directed at you, but it definitively proved what I was trying to do: A pro Dorian guy got upset and replied.  :D
You're taking everything too seriously here.......

Just for the sake of keeping this going though, let me say that YOU started arguing with Hulkster in this thread. His first post was not directed at you, he was just saying something negative about Dorian. You didn't like it and started posting back.
And you say Hulkster follows you into every thread ???   
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #202 on: April 20, 2010, 05:44:40 PM »
I knew..........
It means Shawn had some advantages over Dorian, which shows he wasn't dominated. He still lost in the overall picture no doubt about it.

I definitively prefer Shawn's physique over Dorian's.
I exaggerated a bit with the stumbling thing, but Shawn was better poser.

For you and the judges for sure. For me he wins that pose.
 

For his height his legs are not short, you're not looking at the bigger picture. If someone is taller, like Dorian, of course he is going to have longer legs.
When I can't see a nicely developed vastus lateralis muscle, I see incomplete quad development in Dorian. I see Shawn having better leg development than Dorian and better leg proportion too.
I know, Dorian met more of the criteria better than Shawn, which is why he won. There is no need for you to repeat that, I'm just saying Shawn wasn't too far behind.









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I knew..........
It means Shawn had some advantages over Dorian, which shows he wasn't dominated. He still lost in the overall picture no doubt about it.

You're getting lost now and are reduced to just repeating the same shit over and over. Shawn was dominated in every aspect of the judging criteria Shawn wasn't close on paper or in reality , Dorian was head & shoulders above everyone in 1995 especially the fourth place finisher Shawn Ray , you can keep typing the contrary it doesn't change the facts

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I definitively prefer Shawn's physique over Dorian's.
I exaggerated a bit with the stumbling thing, but Shawn was better poser.

Contests aren't judged on your preferences , and no kidding you're exaggerating because you're not working with much , Shawn was a better poser ( according to you )  but all rounds are physique rounds so he wasn't in the judges eyes

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For you and the judges for sure. For me he wins that pose.

and the judges are the only ones who matter , last time I checked Sandow was on the trophy and not JP_RC contests aren't judged according to your whims

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For his height his legs are not short, you're not looking at the bigger picture. If someone is taller, like Dorian, of course he is going to have longer legs.
When I can't see a nicely developed vastus lateralis muscle, I see incomplete quad development in Dorian. I see Shawn having better leg development than Dorian and better leg proportion too.
I know, Dorian met more of the criteria better than Shawn, which is why he won. There is no need for you to repeat that, I'm just saying Shawn wasn't too far behind.

NO actually not true , Nasser is technically taller than Dorian let his legs are shorter and he has a longer torso. Dorian's quad was torn in 94 which is why the development is obscured doesn't mean it's incomplete just torn. but okay I'll entertain your point lets says his quads were better now what? it doesn't do much when you're behind everywhere else , but let me say it for you " for me Shawn has blah blah blah " NOT how it works

Shawn has better leg development than Dorian? another blanket statement , lets talk about muscles of the legs , leg biceps , satorious , rectus femoris , quads , calves and how they all relate to each other . Shawn lets say has an edge in quads , how about satorious? NO , calves? HELL NO , leg biceps? NO leg length? NO . low inserting calves ? NO

Shawn's quads are sitting ontop of high calves this alone ruins lower leg balance NO escaping this fact , Shawn's calves were pretty well developed but very high and lacked proportion you think better quads relegates this moot? I don't think so , but I digress contests aren't judged by what you see because we've already established you're not a judge

And no need to keep repeating myself? ironic you claim that  ??? and you can continue to claim Dorian wasn't leaps & bounds ahead of Shawn in 1995 it changes nothing facts are facts , and no need to you to keep denying them  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #203 on: April 20, 2010, 05:58:53 PM »
My post wasn't even directed at you, but it definitively proved what I was trying to do: A pro Dorian guy got upset and replied.  :D
You're taking everything too seriously here.......

Just for the sake of keeping this going though, let me say that YOU started arguing with Hulkster in this thread. His first post was not directed at you, he was just saying something negative about Dorian. You didn't like it and started posting back.
And you say Hulkster follows you into every thread ???   
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My post wasn't even directed at you, but it definitively proved what I was trying to do: A pro Dorian guy got upset and replied.  :D
You're taking everything too seriously here.......

You responded DIRECTLY to me how now is it not directed at me?  ??? you're getting lost again


and I'm taking this to seriously? which one of us is hiding under a gimmick trying to invoke a reaction?   ;) you type I correct pretty clear cut

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Just for the sake of keeping this going though, let me say that YOU started arguing with Hulkster in this thread. His first post was not directed at you, he was just saying something negative about Dorian. You didn't like it and started posting back.
And you say Hulkster follows you into every thread ???


I absolutely did , like I've said I enjoy correcting him ( and you  ;) ) and I like to point out the fact he keeps proving me right , he's in another Dorian Yates thread trolling , bitching & moaning and posting pics of Ronnie Coleman . And you think just because I responded to him in this single thread it doesn't change the fact I could post dozens and dozens of threads he's followed me into but it's not important to me everyone knows he's a troll it's old news and as I said before there is NO argument , Ronnie confirmed he couldn't touch Dorian it's just Hulkster trolling and proving me right in every thread

you're trying to play my game and like Hulkster falling flat on your face , keep vying with Hulkster for my attention like him you're proving me right

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #204 on: April 20, 2010, 06:35:20 PM »
Here's something we can all agree on, Dorian 97 was a mess, and had Nasser had a back, he should and would have won that show.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #205 on: April 20, 2010, 06:59:10 PM »
Here's something we can all agree on, Dorian 97 was a mess, and had Nasser had a back, he should and would have won that show.

'97 was the year I finally respected Dorians physique and didn't throw a tantrum when he won

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #206 on: April 20, 2010, 07:02:48 PM »
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You do get upset when someone mentions Hulkster though.
He is probably tired of trying to argue with you though and just puts everything to rest with some of his good comparison pics. (like the 1999 Ronnie vs 1995 Dorian FLS pose pic he posted some time ago)

exactly.

but don't forget that according to the nuthuggers, they are 'selective' pics just because their man loses badly and can't measure up to Ronnie at 257 pounds in 1999..

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #207 on: April 20, 2010, 07:07:46 PM »
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I also love when he posts pics of 2001 where Ronnie lost the whole prejudging and claims Ronnie dominated the contests !

sigh. ::)

you still don't understand that he never should have lost the prejudging in the first place, thats the whole fucking point.

he DID beat Jay in those two rounds, but because of bad judging it was not reflected in the scoring.

watch the contest.



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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #208 on: April 20, 2010, 07:09:40 PM »
exactly.

but don't forget that according to the nuthuggers, they are 'selective' pics just because their man loses badly and can't measure up to Ronnie at 257 pounds in 1999..

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why do you have such a pathological lust for ronnie's black cock??

what do you get out of defending his honor?

if you were on fire, ronnie coleman would not walk across the street to piss on you.....

big ron is sickened by your cocklust and lack of dignity :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #209 on: April 20, 2010, 07:10:54 PM »
Yates always blew away kev and flex etc and they looked outstanding at the english gp (ronnie too), dont you think in the same lighting as the english gp Yates would be just as dominant? that show would be between Yates and ronnie with Yates winning.  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #210 on: April 20, 2010, 07:10:58 PM »
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I also like when Hulkster posts pics of Ronnie's calves and claim how they're more detailed than Dorians ever were


sigh yet again. ::)

you still posting this bullshit?

still don't understand the whole point of that exchange do you? ::)

to get you idiots to actually use some visual proof for once and you were so stupid it took you 10 pages of bullshit posts for one of you to finally post a pic to prove the point wrong.

God you are so dumb.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #211 on: April 20, 2010, 07:11:22 PM »
sigh. ::)

you still don't understand that he never should have lost the prejudging in the first place, thats the whole fucking point.

he DID beat Jay in those two rounds, but because of bad judging it was not reflected in the scoring.

watch the contest.





hahahahaha the same old tired Hulkster plea , " you don't under stand " I understand you're retarded full well , keep denying facts they don't change no matter how much you wish they could  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #212 on: April 20, 2010, 07:13:11 PM »
posting pics of ronnie in the best lit show ever and Yates in not so good lighting is typical, good going hulkster

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #213 on: April 20, 2010, 07:13:30 PM »
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dont you think in the same lighting as the english gp Yates would dominant?

hell no.

the best lighting in the world cant turn shit arms shit quad and a thick waist into something to top Ronnie:

observe again:
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #214 on: April 20, 2010, 07:13:54 PM »
exactly.

but don't forget that according to the nuthuggers, they are 'selective' pics just because their man loses badly and can't measure up to Ronnie at 257 pounds in 1999..

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that pic of Ronnie shows off his imbalances... Arms felts overpowering his chest, quads overpowering his calves, etc. I'll admit Dorian never looks amazing in a hands clasped mm. Ronnies other more traditional mm looks much better.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #215 on: April 20, 2010, 07:14:36 PM »
posting pics of ronnie in the best lit show ever and Yates in not so good lighting is typical, good going hulkster

typical bullshit excuses ::)

you think great lighting is going to magically reshape dorian's arms, add 3 inches in size to them, fix his torn biceps, shrink his waist, give his quads more sweep and cuts and add vascularity too?

LOL

 ::) ::) ::)

how stupid.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #216 on: April 20, 2010, 07:16:42 PM »

sigh yet again. ::)

you still posting this bullshit?

still don't understand the whole point of that exchange do you? ::)

to get you idiots to actually use some visual proof for once and you were so stupid it took you 10 pages of bullshit posts for one of you to finally post a pic to prove the point wrong.

God you are so dumb.

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LMFAO epic bullshit spin on that retard statement. NO ONE would ever have to prove that wrong , NO ONE even tried we laughed at your insane stupidity

That's like you claiming a VW bug is faster around The Ring compared to a Viper ACR it doesn't need to be proved wrong it's so far beyond laughable it doesn't even warrant a honest response

the sad part is 1) you at the time actually believe it and 2) are reduced to trying to lie because I keep exposing how little you know based on the ' overwhelming visual evidence '

I'm still LOLing at Dorian having better calves than Ronnie needed to be proved  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #217 on: April 20, 2010, 07:19:07 PM »
typical bullshit excuses ::)

you think great lighting is going to magically reshape dorian's arms, add 3 inches in size to them, fix his torn biceps, shrink his waist, give his quads more sweep and cuts and add vascularity too?

LOL

 ::) ::) ::)

how stupid.

stupid? posting photoshopped pics of Ronnie compared to Dorian at his worse is stupid yet you're guilty  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #218 on: April 20, 2010, 07:21:56 PM »
hell no.

the best lighting in the world cant turn shit arms shit quad and a thick waist into something to top Ronnie:

observe again:

looking at that ggp pic, I'm honestly starting to think Dorian is wider than Ronnie. I know Ronnie widened out quite a bit in 3 years, but the difference in clavicle width is extraordinary. And yes I do realize ronnie is quite literally relaxed.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #219 on: April 20, 2010, 07:25:31 PM »
looking at that ggp pic, I'm honestly starting to think Dorian is wider than Ronnie. I know Ronnie widened out quite a bit in 3 years, but the difference in clavicle width is extraordinary. And yes I do realize ronnie is quite literally relaxed.

Funny you bring that up , ironically Ronnie is about pounds lighter than Dorian that year and looks noticeably smaller , the funny part is that's not even Dorian at his best imagine Dorian at 269 pounds next to Ronnie

these morons believe their own fanciful ' comparisons ' where Dorian is being dwarfed hahahahaha fan-boys look at the staggering difference is calve size

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #220 on: April 20, 2010, 07:33:19 PM »
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at his best imagine Dorian at 269 pounds next to Ronnie

he was only good at 269 several weeks out from a contest (93 black and whites). and he still loses badly to a contest shape ronnie.

at 270 onstage (1997) he looked like total dogshit. like Kovacs.

by imagining dorian standing onstage looking like he never did in real life you are showing your desperating here badly.

you know you are losing the argument, badly, so you have to create fantasy presentations for dorian to even stand a chance.

sad man sad.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #221 on: April 20, 2010, 07:35:09 PM »
Poor Kovacs

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #222 on: April 20, 2010, 07:38:02 PM »
he was only good at 269 several weeks out from a contest (93 black and whites). and he still loses badly to a contest shape ronnie.

at 270 onstage (1997) he looked like total dogshit. like Kovacs.

by imagining dorian standing onstage looking like he never did in real life you are showing your desperating here badly.

you know you are losing the argument, badly, so you have to create fantasy presentations for dorian to even stand a chance.

sad man sad.

hahahahahahaha thanks for proving my point dumbass , pics of Ronnie with the same size calves as a 269 pound Dorian Yates HEHEHEHEHEHE

there is NO argument you're a fucking moron and all I'm doing is exposing you for it  ;)


Ronnie's calves are more detailed than Dorians ever were LMMFAO

run along meltdown-boy

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #223 on: April 20, 2010, 07:39:12 PM »
ND is getting more and more stupid with each passing post. :-\

he doesn't take anything in.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #224 on: April 20, 2010, 07:40:47 PM »
Funny you bring that up , ironically Ronnie is about pounds lighter than Dorian that year and looks noticeably smaller , the funny part is that's not even Dorian at his best imagine Dorian at 269 pounds next to Ronnie

these morons believe their own fanciful ' comparisons ' where Dorian is being dwarfed hahahahaha fan-boys look at the staggering difference is calve size

whats funny is that dorian was barely wider than Kevin Levrone, yet Ronnie was much wider than Kevin.

hence, Ronnie was wider than dorian..
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