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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #225 on: April 20, 2010, 07:42:18 PM »
ND is getting more and more stupid with each passing post. :-\

he doesn't take anything in.

No I took in Dorian lost inn 1993 to Flex and Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian did and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing the whole prejudging  ;D your words kid NOT mine  ;)

you're in another Dorian Yates thread getting exposed now what was that again about being stupid?  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #226 on: April 20, 2010, 07:42:34 PM »
ND is getting more and more stupid with each passing post. :-\

he doesn't take anything in.
I don't understand you. No one is arguing Dorian in 97 looked amazing. Good enough to win, debatable. If Nasser had more than half a back, I think he would have won.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #227 on: April 20, 2010, 07:47:35 PM »
whats funny is that dorian was barely wider than Kevin Levrone, yet Ronnie was much wider than Kevin.

hence, Ronnie was wider than dorian..
hate to break it to you, but ronni doesn't look wider than half of Kevin there, terrible pic to support your claim. But I guess you see what you want to, so :-X

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #228 on: April 20, 2010, 07:47:54 PM »
whats funny is that dorian was barely wider than Kevin Levrone, yet Ronnie was much wider than Kevin.

hence, Ronnie was wider than dorian..

sure he was  ;D Hulkster's bullshit dismissed in two seconds  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #229 on: April 20, 2010, 07:48:55 PM »
I don't understand you. No one is arguing Dorian in 97 looked amazing. Good enough to win, debatable. If Nasser had more than half a back, I think he would have won.

but your pal ND is so desperate he is saying things like "imagine ronnie standing next to dorian at 269 pounds" when dorian never ever looked good onstage at that bodyweight.

you seriously need to talk to him.

he is making the dorian side look really sad stupid and pathetic with this stuff.

he is going nuts.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #230 on: April 20, 2010, 07:55:16 PM »
but your pal ND is so desperate he is saying things like "imagine ronnie standing next to dorian at 269 pounds" when dorian never ever looked good onstage at that bodyweight.

you seriously need to talk to him.

he is making the dorian side look really sad stupid and pathetic with this stuff.

he is going nuts.

It doesn't matter if he stood on-stage with that body weight it doesn't change the fact that he was in outstanding condition at that weight and you hate it because you know it destroys your 99 Ronnie with ease

and your M.O. is pathetic you think if you bash me people will forget your stupid ass statements and they wont because in every thread you hi-jack I will remind people that you know shit especially when you claimed Ronnie's calves were more detailed than Dorian and Yates lost in 1993 to Flex and Ronnie dominated a contest he lost the whole prejudging in

one of us is looking very fucking stupid and it ain't me  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #231 on: April 20, 2010, 07:58:40 PM »
I don't think any version of Dorian could have beaten the '98-99 Ronnie. I liked some aspects of Dorian's physique better though and in some shots doesn't look as ugly as Ronnie's

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #232 on: April 20, 2010, 08:00:33 PM »
Nobody but you two gives a shit.

Hope this helps.

Says the guy who just responded thanks for proving my point  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #233 on: April 20, 2010, 08:01:43 PM »
hate to break it to you, but ronni doesn't look wider than half of Kevin there, terrible pic to support your claim. But I guess you see what you want to, so :-X
BINGO ! dumb Hulkster with another backfire  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #234 on: April 20, 2010, 08:33:53 PM »
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if he stood on-stage with that body weight it doesn't change the fact that he was in outstanding condition at that weight and you hate it because you know it destroys your 99 Ronnie with eas

LOL yeah sure:

 ::)

with ease. ::)

its funny how the visuals always cause your agument to fail miserably.

funny. but very compelling on how wrong you are.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #235 on: April 21, 2010, 03:05:28 AM »
Dorian has the ugliest phsiqu. Out of all the mr o's
his body looks like the thing
minus the arms
choice is an illusion

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #236 on: April 21, 2010, 12:18:20 PM »
Dorian has the ugliest phsiqu. Out of all the mr o's
his body looks like the thing
minus the arms

Yes we've established you like your men with pretty physiques , no need to tell us again

aesthetic he says LMFAO

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #237 on: April 21, 2010, 12:22:33 PM »
LOL yeah sure:

 ::)

with ease. ::)

its funny how the visuals always cause your agument to fail miserably.

funny. but very compelling on how wrong you are.

Sure which is exactly why you're crying he never looked like that onstage  ;) because you know how great he is , to this day these pics are still talked about they're legendary

Dorian's bigger , harder , drier and better balanced than Ronnie 1999 be far

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #238 on: April 21, 2010, 01:46:21 PM »

You're getting lost now and are reduced to just repeating the same shit over and over. Shawn was dominated in every aspect of the judging criteria Shawn wasn't close on paper or in reality , Dorian was head & shoulders above everyone in 1995 especially the fourth place finisher Shawn Ray , you can keep typing the contrary it doesn't change the facts

Contests aren't judged on your preferences , and no kidding you're exaggerating because you're not working with much , Shawn was a better poser ( according to you )  but all rounds are physique rounds so he wasn't in the judges eyes

and the judges are the only ones who matter , last time I checked Sandow was on the trophy and not JP_RC contests aren't judged according to your whims

NO actually not true , Nasser is technically taller than Dorian let his legs are shorter and he has a longer torso. Dorian's quad was torn in 94 which is why the development is obscured doesn't mean it's incomplete just torn. but okay I'll entertain your point lets says his quads were better now what? it doesn't do much when you're behind everywhere else , but let me say it for you " for me Shawn has blah blah blah " NOT how it works

Shawn has better leg development than Dorian? another blanket statement , lets talk about muscles of the legs , leg biceps , satorious , rectus femoris , quads , calves and how they all relate to each other . Shawn lets say has an edge in quads , how about satorious? NO , calves? HELL NO , leg biceps? NO leg length? NO . low inserting calves ? NO

Shawn's quads are sitting ontop of high calves this alone ruins lower leg balance NO escaping this fact , Shawn's calves were pretty well developed but very high and lacked proportion you think better quads relegates this moot? I don't think so , but I digress contests aren't judged by what you see because we've already established you're not a judge

And no need to keep repeating myself? ironic you claim that  ??? and you can continue to claim Dorian wasn't leaps & bounds ahead of Shawn in 1995 it changes nothing facts are facts , and no need to you to keep denying them  ;D

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You're getting lost now and are reduced to just repeating the same shit over and over. Shawn was dominated in every aspect of the judging criteria Shawn wasn't close on paper or in reality , Dorian was head & shoulders above everyone in 1995 especially the fourth place finisher Shawn Ray , you can keep typing the contrary it doesn't change the facts

Contests aren't judged on your preferences , and no kidding you're exaggerating because you're not working with much , Shawn was a better poser ( according to you )  but all rounds are physique rounds so he wasn't in the judges eyes

and the judges are the only ones who matter , last time I checked Sandow was on the trophy and not JP_RC contests aren't judged according to your whims

We're getting nowhere here ND, you can't understand what I'm trying to say. You're a little bit close minded and guide yourself on what the judges had to say instead trying to see what constitutes a great complete physique.
Now I see why Hulkster got tired of arguing with you. Let's just say I think Dorian didn't dominate and you think he did.

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NO actually not true , Nasser is technically taller than Dorian let his legs are shorter and he has a longer torso. Dorian's quad was torn in 94 which is why the development is obscured doesn't mean it's incomplete just torn.

Nasser has some structural flaws, his legs are a bit short for his long torso. Shawn's legs weren't.
I didn't mean that when someone is tall his legs have to be long. All I said is that Dorian had longer legs than Shawn because he was taller, but both men's legs were proportionate in length to their torsos.

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Shawn has better leg development than Dorian? another blanket statement , lets talk about muscles of the legs , leg biceps , satorious , rectus femoris , quads , calves and how they all relate to each other . Shawn lets say has an edge in quads , how about satorious? NO , calves? HELL NO , leg biceps? NO leg length? NO . low inserting calves ? NO

Shawn's quads are sitting ontop of high calves this alone ruins lower leg balance NO escaping this fact , Shawn's calves were pretty well developed but very high and lacked proportion you think better quads relegates this moot? I don't think so , but I digress contests aren't judged by what you see because we've already established you're not a judge

Shawn's quads are better developed than Dorian's quads. No blanket statement, I already said Dorian quads lacked complete development of the vastus lateralis muscle and even the rectus femoris isn't fully developed compared to his top competiton. His quads also lacked separations and striations compared to his top competiton. I even think Shawn's hamstrings were proportionately developed to his quads in a better way than Dorian. Shawn's high calves did throw the proportions of his legs off a bit, but I don't see Dorian's legs being perfect either.

Just as Shawn's high, but well developed calves, harm his leg proportion; doesn't Dorian's underdeveloped, narrow looking quads harm his leg proportions too? Especially when he has those amazing calves? Did his upper leg development always match up his calves develpment?
Let's say it did and in 1995 his legs were proportionate in itself. How about the bigger picture, where his legs and arms proportionate to his massive back and torso? I think not, especially when compared to his top competiton.
Despite all of this, Dorian still won fairly. No dispute in that, but he had disadvantages that prevented him from dominating.





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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #239 on: April 21, 2010, 01:47:18 PM »
Yes we've established you like your men with pretty physiques , no need to tell us again

aesthetic he says LMFAO

and we've established you like men with ugly builds barrel torso with stick arms and your point is?

You act as if your opinion on phsiques is more valid than anyone elses.
Get over yourself ...  Dorian = conditioned jp fux huuuge torso tiny arms wide waiste zero lines just a big mess a la branch warren ... Even jay is a more complete bber than Dorian no missing bodyparts
just thank heaven Dorian had a good back or we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now ...
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #240 on: April 21, 2010, 01:51:32 PM »
and we've established you like men with ugly builds barrel torso with stick arms and your point is?

You act as if your opinion on phsiques is more valid than anyone elses.
Get over yourself ...  Dorian = conditioned jp fux huuuge torso tiny arms wide waiste zero lines just a big mess a la branch warren ... Even jay is a more complete bber than Dorian no missing bodyparts
just thank heaven Dorian had a good back or we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now ...

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and we've established you like men with ugly builds barrel torso with stick arms and your point is?

Wrong I'm a huge fan of Steve Reeves  ;)

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You act as if your opinion on phsiques is more valid than anyone elses.
Get over yourself ...  Dorian = conditioned jp fux huuuge torso tiny arms wide waiste zero lines just a big mess a la branch warren ... Even jay is a more complete bber than Dorian no missing bodyparts
just thank heaven Dorian had a good back or we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now ...

I know at least what I'm talking about , you clearly don't.  yes that's all Dorian had was a good back and calves and that made him win six Sandows  ::) wonder why so many guys with good backs haven't managed that feat

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #241 on: April 21, 2010, 01:57:54 PM »
You responded DIRECTLY to me how now is it not directed at me?  ??? you're getting lost again

I responded to your reply of my post about Hulkster that wasn't directed at you.


and I'm taking this to seriously? which one of us is hiding under a gimmick trying to invoke a reaction?   ;) you type I correct pretty clear cut

I meant my post about Hulkster, not the "arguments" we were having before.


I absolutely did , like I've said I enjoy correcting him ( and you  ;) ) and I like to point out the fact he keeps proving me right , he's in another Dorian Yates thread trolling , bitching & moaning and posting pics of Ronnie Coleman . And you think just because I responded to him in this single thread it doesn't change the fact I could post dozens and dozens of threads he's followed me into but it's not important to me everyone knows he's a troll it's old news and as I said before there is NO argument , Ronnie confirmed he couldn't touch Dorian it's just Hulkster trolling and proving me right in every thread

Maybe, but he is definitively tired of arguing with you apparently. Which is why he posts the pics.

you're trying to play my game and like Hulkster falling flat on your face , keep vying with Hulkster for my attention like him you're proving me right

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #242 on: April 21, 2010, 02:03:19 PM »
We're getting nowhere here ND, you can't understand what I'm trying to say. You're a little bit close minded and guide yourself on what the judges had to say instead trying to see what constitutes a great complete physique.
Now I see why Hulkster got tired of arguing with you. Let's just say I think Dorian didn't dominate and you think he did.

Nasser has some structural flaws, his legs are a bit short for his long torso. Shawn's legs weren't.
I didn't mean that when someone is tall his legs have to be long. All I said is that Dorian had longer legs than Shawn because he was taller, but both men's legs were proportionate in length to their torsos.

Shawn's quads are better developed than Dorian's quads. No blanket statement, I already said Dorian quads lacked complete development of the vastus lateralis muscle and even the rectus femoris isn't fully developed compared to his top competiton. His quads also lacked separations and striations compared to his top competiton. I even think Shawn's hamstrings were proportionately developed to his quads in a better way than Dorian. Shawn's high calves did throw the proportions of his legs off a bit, but I don't see Dorian's legs being perfect either.

Just as Shawn's high, but well developed calves, harm his leg proportion; doesn't Dorian's underdeveloped, narrow looking quads harm his leg proportions too? Especially when he has those amazing calves? Did his upper leg development always match up his calves develpment?
Let's say it did and in 1995 his legs were proportionate in itself. How about the bigger picture, where his legs and arms proportionate to his massive back and torso? I think not, especially when compared to his top competiton.
Despite all of this, Dorian still won fairly. No dispute in that, but he had disadvantages that prevented him from dominating.






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We're getting nowhere here ND, you can't understand what I'm trying to say. You're a little bit close minded and guide yourself on what the judges had to say instead trying to see what constitutes a great complete physique.

We're getting no where because you're ignorant and insist on basing everything you know on what you prefer. NOT how it works.

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Now I see why Hulkster got tired of arguing with you. Let's just say I think Dorian didn't dominate and you think he did.

Hulkster doesn't get tried of arguing with me he got tired of me exposing how little he knows. Again , you can think he didn't dominate all you'd like it doesn't change the fact he did.

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Nasser has some structural flaws, his legs are a bit short for his long torso. Shawn's legs weren't.
I didn't mean that when someone is tall his legs have to be long. All I said is that Dorian had longer legs than Shawn because he was taller, but both men's legs were proportionate in length to their torsos.

Shawn's legs were short in relation to his torso , you see what you want and base everything you see on what you like.

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Shawn's quads are better developed than Dorian's quads. No blanket statement, I already said Dorian quads lacked complete development of the vastus lateralis muscle and even the rectus femoris isn't fully developed compared to his top competiton. His quads also lacked separations and striations compared to his top competiton. I even think Shawn's hamstrings were proportionately developed to his quads in a better way than Dorian. Shawn's high calves did throw the proportions of his legs off a bit, but I don't see Dorian's legs being perfect either.

Now you're playing word games , you claimed Shawn had better ' leg development ' that's a blanket statement now you're reduced to amending your original statement. I've already addressed your comments before so no need to rehash

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Just as Shawn's high, but well developed calves, harm his leg proportion; doesn't Dorian's underdeveloped, narrow looking quads harm his leg proportions too? Especially when he has those amazing calves? Did his upper leg development always match up his calves develpment?
Let's say it did and in 1995 his legs were proportionate in itself. How about the bigger picture, where his legs and arms proportionate to his massive back and torso? I think not, especially when compared to his top competiton.

Says you.... the judges thought otherwise , I can harp on Shawn's height which FYI is part & parcel of the whole package , his lack of clavicle width , his lack of back width , his long torso , short legs , high calves , Dorian has better balance & proportion than Shawn coupled with better density & dryness and muscular bulk which is why he dominated everyone , Shawn included

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Despite all of this, Dorian still won fairly. No dispute in that, but he had disadvantages that prevented him from dominating.

says you , keep denying reality , in fact Dorian dominated bodybuilder unlike anyone before or since , 1993 and 1995 were prime examples  as I've mentioned before you can deny this fact all you like it doesn't change it

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #243 on: April 21, 2010, 02:06:07 PM »
It doesn't matter if he stood on-stage with that body weight it doesn't change the fact that he was in outstanding condition at that weight and you hate it because you know it destroys your 99 Ronnie with ease

Are you talking about Dorian in the 93 black & white pics?
If so, I have to disagree.




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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #244 on: April 21, 2010, 02:12:09 PM »


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I responded to your reply of my post about Hulkster that wasn't directed at you.

yet you responded to me and you're scratching your head wondering why I responded  ::)

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I meant my post about Hulkster, not the "arguments" we were having before.

type what you mean , I can only respond to what you type , I can't read your mind.

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Maybe, but he is definitively tired of arguing with you apparently. Which is why he posts the pics.

he's tired of getting proved dead wrong which is why all he does is post pics and say " SEE " he's in way over his head ..he committed to some very ignorant and insanely stupid posts and when he was quickly corrected he got stick of being embarrassed and just started posting pics and crying ' see '

The dumbass claimed Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex Wheeler and he really believed it too  :-\ he claimed Dorian lost one of the most dominate wins in the history of the contest lmfao when everyone ridiculed him he gave up on that quick , there is NO argument with him , just me correcting every stupid thing he's ever committed to



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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #245 on: April 21, 2010, 02:18:31 PM »
Are you talking about Dorian in the 93 black & white pics?
If so, I have to disagree.





It's fine you disagree , but needless to say the scale of off on that ' comparison ' it was made by a Ronnie guy who has a fanciful idea of how Ronnie would make Dorian look , pics of Ronnie with the same size calves as Dorian and Dorian with a waist just as small lol

lots of people think Ronnie is better I have no problem with that it's a popular opinion it doesn't mean it's a right one.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #246 on: April 21, 2010, 02:30:45 PM »
lots of people think Ronnie is better I have no problem with that it's a popular opinion it doesn't mean it's a right one.

What makes the opinion of Dorian being better the right one? Isn't it just your opinion too?

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #247 on: April 21, 2010, 02:38:07 PM »
It would of been an interesting Olympia had Dorian competed in 1998, if, after his steak and ice cream celebration, you could convince him to do one more season.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #248 on: April 21, 2010, 02:57:14 PM »
Are you talking about Dorian in the 93 black & white pics?
If so, I have to disagree.




its okay. so does everyone else.

ronnie 99 >> dorian 93 onstage OR offstage.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #249 on: April 21, 2010, 02:58:03 PM »
What makes the opinion of Dorian being better the right one? Isn't it just your opinion too?

Never said it was but my opinion at the least is based on the information on how contests are judged not ignorance and bias