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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #450 on: April 23, 2010, 06:08:55 PM »
I agree.  As I have stated all along, Ronnie wasn't able to maintain the size AND conditioning to hang with Dorian.  If Ronnie went over 260, he would be out-conditioned by Yates; and a conditioned Coleman--around 250--would simply be outsized by Yates.  Coleman has a better MM and better biceps, but that is it.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #451 on: April 23, 2010, 06:09:00 PM »
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look at the fucking stupidity of ND. itsn't it unreal?

he says those guts are the same LOL ::)

not the same ...............99 is worse  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #452 on: April 23, 2010, 06:11:55 PM »
Watch this at :43-:55...that has got to be the worst ab shot of any Mr. O ever, and his distention was definitely present in 99 (not as bad as 01 imo though, but close).  Btw, 01 Ronnie looks way, way drier than 99 in the FLS comparison pics posted by Hulkster. 



This is how an ab shot is supposed to look.  :)

 

why didnt you post some abs shots of dorian in 1997? :-X

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #453 on: April 23, 2010, 06:16:29 PM »
why didnt you post some abs shots of dorian in 1997? :-X

Here you go , Dorian the same weights as Nasser making him look small  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #454 on: April 23, 2010, 06:17:58 PM »
I agree.  As I have stated all along, Ronnie wasn't able to maintain the size AND conditioning to hang with Dorian.  If Ronnie went over 260, he would be out-conditioned by Yates; and a conditioned Coleman--around 250--would simply be outsized by Yates.  Coleman has a better MM and better biceps, but that is it.

Great points ! Dorian has to many advantages

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #455 on: April 23, 2010, 06:20:17 PM »
Here you go , Dorian the same weights as Nasser making him look small  ;)

i knew you were going to post this pic.!!.. you are very predictable and boring :-\

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #456 on: April 23, 2010, 06:23:29 PM »
i knew you were going to post this pic.!!.. you are very predictable and boring :-\

you wanted it there it is ! you don't like the result don't bitch , you're predictable crying about Nasser in yet another Yates thread wanna project anymore?  ;)

I'm never boring  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #457 on: April 23, 2010, 07:12:19 PM »
not the same ...............99 is worse  ;D

uh no.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #458 on: April 23, 2010, 07:17:05 PM »

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #459 on: April 23, 2010, 07:21:45 PM »
Here you go , Dorian the same weights as Nasser making him look small  ;)



Game, set and match.   ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #460 on: April 23, 2010, 08:36:11 PM »
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you know, I actually don't believe for one second that you are actually arguing that Ronnie's post 2000 gut at any contest was the same or worse than his pre 2000 gut.

I mean, you have nothing to argue it with.

you are posting pics from 99 and I am posting pics from the 2001 AC with a much bigger gut.

and the videos are even more clear than the pics.

you are just trolling.

even you can't be this stupid.

notice the gut hanging over the trunks at the AC, not so in 99. you can't even see ronnie's left top of his trunks his obliques are so huge at the AC. not in 99..

next!

your trolling is not working Flowerboy.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #461 on: April 23, 2010, 08:39:49 PM »
I think no matter what I say, you must argue the opposite, even if your own pics/vids to prove it  actually totally disprove yourself.

you still argue the opposite.

thats why you take such an issue with obvious facts like ronnie 99 being better than 98, or ronnie's 99 and 98 gut was smaller and less prominent than his post 2000 gut.

you are just trolling.

and you call me a troll. ::)

oh yeah, thats why we call you HypocriticDeity..
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #462 on: April 23, 2010, 08:40:49 PM »
you know, I actually don't believe for one second that you are actually arguing that Ronnie's post 2000 gut at any contest was the same or worse than his pre 2000 gut.

I mean, you have nothing to argue it with.

you are posting pics from 99 and I am posting pics from the 2001 AC with a much bigger gut.

and the videos are even more clear than the pics.

you are just trolling.

even you can't be this stupid.

notice the gut hanging over the trunks at the AC, not so in 99. you can't even see ronnie's left top of his trunks his obliques are so huge at the AC. not in 99..

next!

your trolling is not working Flowerboy.

Next

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #463 on: April 23, 2010, 08:44:48 PM »
I think no matter what I say, you must argue the opposite, even if your own pics/vids to prove it  actually totally disprove yourself.

you still argue the opposite.

thats why you take such an issue with obvious facts like ronnie 99 being better than 98, or ronnie's 99 and 98 gut was smaller and less prominent than his post 2000 gut.

you are just trolling.

and you call me a troll. ::)

oh yeah, thats why we call you HypocriticDeity..

keep avoiding the facts like the plague , you're scared shit of these dumbass  ;)


http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/6ec386cb64df22dff37b/Superstar-Seminar-Ronnie-Coleman-Phil-Heath-Dexter-Jackson

Heath , Alves and Ronnie all say his best is 1998


where is 1999?

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

where is 1999?

Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

where is 1999?


Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

where is 1999?

Tales from Columbus

2001 (2): Is Chris Cormier unlucky? Are Bob Cicherillo's threads so loud that he's being sponsored by a megaphone company? At the 2001 Arnold Classic, for the only time in its history, the reigning Mr. Olympia entered the contest. Not only that, but said Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, was in the best shape of his career, before or since. Now that is bad luck.


where is 1999?

Flex Magazine March 2008

2001 Then-reigning Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman, in the shape of his life at 245 pounds, took this one, with Cormier gaining the second of his six consecutive runner-up positions.


where is 1999?

Q ] There are those who feel you were at your best when you competed lighter, which for you was in the low 270's, and those who say you were best in the 290's. Was there a particular look you presented that you preferred over the others?
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  Ronnie Coleman :    Number one. That one was incredible to me. It (Ronnie's first Olympia win in 1998) always will be and nothing will ever take the place of that one. Everything was just spot on for that show. I had to overcome so much to win that one too.

      I had guys in front of me who had beaten me for the last ten years or so. Nobody picked me to go in and win that show because I had gotten ninth the year before. I had to come with an incredible package and blow all the judges away and that's what I pretty much did.


where is 1999?

Flex Magazine August 2003


Jim Schmatltz on Ronnie chances of winning six Olympias in a row

if he repeats his 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic form, he'll experience the joy of six.



where is 1999?


Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004

As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.

where is 1999?

While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.

where is 1999?


review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page  90:

257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98.


where is 1999?

Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001

RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .


where is 1999?

Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005

Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.

where is 1999? and your response is a few guys on message boards who never went to the 1999 Olympia or in fact ANY of Ronnie's Olympias are wrong and you are right.  Grin

Hulkster run along you can't counter this.  Wink

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #464 on: April 23, 2010, 08:49:04 PM »
and you keep avoiding all the pics and videos like the plauge.

gee, I wonder why?

could it be that they disprove all your bullshit and all your incorrect opinions that you give in your quotes?

yes, its pretty clear thats what they do.

visuals>> ND's bullshit.

talk is cheap. mountains of visual proof is far more compelling.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #465 on: April 23, 2010, 08:50:46 PM »
Next  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #466 on: April 23, 2010, 08:53:43 PM »
and you keep avoiding all the pics and videos like the plauge.

gee, I wonder why?

could it be that they disprove all your bullshit and all your incorrect opinions that you give in your quotes?

yes, its pretty clear thats what they do.

visuals>> ND's bullshit.

talk is cheap. mountains of visual proof is far more compelling.

translation " I can't counter that " lol don't worry stupid I know you can't  ;)

I'm still LOLing at the growing movement in the bb community is that 99 was Ronnie's best LMMFAO a bunch of morons gawking at oversharpened pics who never been to ANY of Ronnie's contests ever hehehehehehehehe

I enjoy bitch-slapping you  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #467 on: April 23, 2010, 08:54:07 PM »
thanks for posting that one too.

its still not as bad as this:

you really need to avoid all visuals ND.

every time you post them, you end up proving yourself wrong.

its really pathetic, you know.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #468 on: April 23, 2010, 08:55:29 PM »
Quote
I can't counter that

my words on a post don't have to counter it.

the visuals do it perfectly fine without typing anything.

thats the point.

you type things, my visuals show them to be wrong.

end of story.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #469 on: April 24, 2010, 01:05:59 AM »
my words on a post don't have to counter it.

the visuals do it perfectly fine without typing anything.

thats the point.

you type things, my visuals show them to be wrong.

end of story.

no, subjective sport.
End of story. Opinions are like assholes hulkster, everyones got one. Just caus you're louder than most doesn't mean your opinion is any more valid than anyone else. So GTFO with your visual crap, 2 people can look at the same thing and see two different things.

Oh, and btw, Judges don't pick winners based on bids and pcs you fuckin retard! It's been well explained by people in the industry that pics and vies can be decieving. This is why your opinion holds no weight against ronnies. Cause you weren't there. You have no idea. Bottom line is hulkster, you don't know shit, and trying to claim the visuals proven it based on watching a 10 yr old video while having absolutley 0 experience in BB, not to mention you didn't even see the show your arguing for, kinda says one thing... You are talking out of your ass, you have no idea what you're talking about, and the only way you can justify it is by blindly hoping other people see what you see when you watch those vids. Your fuckin pathetic.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #470 on: April 24, 2010, 04:45:27 AM »
thanks for posting that one too.

its still not as bad as this:

you really need to avoid all visuals ND.

every time you post them, you end up proving yourself wrong.

its really pathetic, you know.

Oh the one of him totally relaxed and the one of him flexed? gotcha  ;D


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #471 on: April 24, 2010, 04:52:36 AM »
my words on a post don't have to counter it.

the visuals do it perfectly fine without typing anything.

thats the point.

you type things, my visuals show them to be wrong.

end of story.


What else are you gonna say? that you can't counter the experts? that you're wrong? you know you wrong which is exactly why you try so hard , I know it sucks to be proven wrong all the time but facts are facts and all effort will never change them.




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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #472 on: April 24, 2010, 05:02:13 AM »
hahaha very funny youtube vid. its just too bad the subtitles are not accurate..but much like typical nuthuggers posts, bullshit looks good on screen..

Downfall was a great movie though.

there are endless downfall parodies on youtube. its quite a fad these days.

oh, and here are some movies for dumb nuthuggers who claim Ronnie's gut at the AC was the same as it was at the 99 olympia:

 :P




He looks aesthetic as fuck in that second video.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #473 on: April 24, 2010, 05:07:08 AM »
no, subjective sport.
End of story. Opinions are like assholes hulkster, just caus you're louder doesn't mean your opinion is any more valid than anyone else. So GTFO with your visual crap, 2 people can look at the same thing and see two different things.

Oh, and btw, Judges don't pick winners based on bids and pcs you fuckin retard! It's been well explained by people in the industry that pics and vies can be decieving. This is why your opinion holds no weight against ronnies. Cause you weren't there. You have no idea. Bottom line is hulkster, you don't know shit, and trying to claim the visuals proven it based on watching a 10 yr old video while having absolutley 0 experience in BB, not to mention you didn't even see the show your arguing for, kinda says one thing... You are talking out of your ass, you have no idea what you're talking about, and the only way you can justify it is by blindly hoping other people see what you see when you watch those vids. Your fuckin pathetic.

Hulkster has a loud asshole?

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #474 on: April 24, 2010, 05:19:54 AM »
He looks aesthetic as fuck in that second video.

Yeah for a moment I mistook him for Bob Paris  ::)