Dorian Yates - overrated!

[Shockwave]

yates 94 and ronnie 99

what a mismatch. ronnie is 10x better.

his arms make it look like dorian's are not even trained, dorian's massive midsection ruins his taper, his back is not nearly as good etc., quad comparison like night and day, horrible torn arm etc.


and Ronnie is in a lot better condition too. ripped and striated everywhere. dorian looks like he stayed out in sun for 1000 years. awful and ugly.

One of Dorians worst vs One of Ronnie's better o's huh? Yup, typical Hulkster.
BTW, too bad Ronnie thinks youre a retard, and 98 was his best shape.
That water he was carrying in 99 sucks.

[Hulkster]

One of Dorians worst vs One of Ronnie's better o's huh?

yup. nuthuggers like ND often claim that dorian was better conditioned any year than ronnie was at his best.

as I always do, I proved that wrong.

I always prove nuthuggers wrong. always.

remember that.

[Shockwave]

yup. nuthuggers like ND often claim that dorian was better conditioned any year than ronnie was at his best.

as I always do, I proved that wrong.

I always prove nuthuggers wrong. always.

remember that.

Lol. My ass.
Still waiting for that proof that 99 is his best. So far all you have is a couple opinions of nobodies on the internet.
Seems like every official, judge, fellow competition, and competitor, (you know, people that were there or no something) seems to think its 98 or 01.
Yup. Nobody claiming 99 but you and some random people that youve flooded pics with. lol. Oh wait, you have the victory speech, the night he won. Lol. Yeah, cause someone is gonna say they were better last year. What a joke.
So, no, you dont prove us wrong. You just prove how sick in the head you are.

[Hulkster]

Still waiting for that proof that 99 is his best

you have the proof. its called a million pics and videos.

what, do you want a quote in order you to believe its his best?.

oh yeah, I gave you a quote directly from ronnie fucking coleman saying he was better in 99 than in 98 when you claim 98 was his best..

oh yeah, thats right.

you have the proof but once again, you are trying to get around it as always.

why you care, who knows.

all we know is that there is so much proof out there that 99 was his best it is not even funny.

but you hide your head in the sand and when faced with it or quotes/opinions about it, you deny them.


classic fallicious argument right there. textbook.

you could be published for this shit. thats how bad it is.

[NarcissisticDeity]

huh? there are a million comments in those threads and they aren't from iceman..

yes, he posted the original topic, but thats it.

 
man, you do your best to deny everything real, don't you?

its so sad.

NO fanboys allowed 

keep trying though when you come back with the avalanche of quotes from the experts I'll be the first to apologize  until then eat a bowl of dicks 

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, because the visuals corroborate the trugh of what I am saying -eg. the fact that ronnie's gut in 99 was much smaller than at the 2001 AC.

they disprove and refute what and ND you are saying - eg. see above about the gut, as an example of many.

understand?

 

man, these nuthuggers have no brains whatsoever

in all honesty who gives a flying fuck about his gut? that's a diversionary tactic on your behalf to try and escape the fact EVERYONE agrees 01 is his best and more specifically because he's conditioning kicks 1999's ASS 

you still lose !! 

[NarcissisticDeity]

you have the proof. its called a million pics and videos.

what, do you want a quote in order you to believe its his best?.

oh yeah, I gave you a quote directly from ronnie fucking coleman saying he was better in 99 than in 98 when you claim 98 was his best..

oh yeah, thats right.

you have the proof but once again, you are trying to get around it as always.

why you care, who knows.

all we know is that there is so much proof out there that 99 was his best it is not even funny.

but you hide your head in the sand and when faced with it or quotes/opinions about it, you deny them.


classic fallicious argument right there. textbook.

you could be published for this shit. thats how bad it is.

Ronnie is right when you want him to be HYPOCRITE you called Ronnie a liar when he stated he was better in 1998 THREE times  now Ronnie is right when it serves your purpose lol

you are the dumbest person on GetBig congrats

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lol. My ass.
Still waiting for that proof that 99 is his best. So far all you have is a couple opinions of nobodies on the internet.
Seems like every official, judge, fellow competition, and competitor, (you know, people that were there or no something) seems to think its 98 or 01.
Yup. Nobody claiming 99 but you and some random people that youve flooded pics with. lol. Oh wait, you have the victory speech, the night he won. Lol. Yeah, cause someone is gonna say they were better last year. What a joke.
So, no, you dont prove us wrong. You just prove how sick in the head you are.

Q ] There are those who feel you were at your best when you competed lighter, which for you was in the low 270's, and those who say you were best in the 290's. Was there a particular look you presented that you preferred over the others?
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      Number one. That one was incredible to me. It (Ronnie's first Olympia win in 1998) always will be and nothing will ever take the place of that one. Everything was just spot on for that show.

everything was just spot-on for that show 

http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/6ec386cb64df22dff37b/Superstar-Seminar-Ronnie-Coleman-Phil-Heath-Dexter-Jackson

Heath , Alves and Ronnie all say his best is 1998

Ronnie again stating 1998 was his best along with Phil Heath and Troy Alves

Special Ed : Ronnie what was your best Olympia and why? Ronnie : I would have to say my first because everything was spot-on for that show.

Three times Hulkster hates facts 

[Shockwave]

you have the proof. its called a million pics and videos.

what, do you want a quote in order you to believe its his best?.

oh yeah, I gave you a quote directly from ronnie fucking coleman saying he was better in 99 than in 98 when you claim 98 was his best..

oh yeah, thats right.

you have the proof but once again, you are trying to get around it as always.

why you care, who knows.

all we know is that there is so much proof out there that 99 was his best it is not even funny.

but you hide your head in the sand and when faced with it or quotes/opinions about it, you deny them.


classic fallicious argument right there. textbook.

you could be published for this shit. thats how bad it is.

Hahah!!! Still clinging to that are we? Your quote would be credible, if Ronnie hadnt disputed it not once, not twice, but three times.
To bad Ronnie amended that statement on 3 seperate occasions, all saying 98 was his best.
But the one time he agreed with you, was the victory speech where he won.
Lol. Im not gonna put words in his mouth (like you do) But no one is going to say hey were better last year. Hell half of people say "Im my best ever!" every single time they compete, so your whole argument on that point is void.

3 Separate occasions Ronnie stated that he believe 98 was his best. Ronnie, 1, Hulkster, 0

And fucking lol at hiding my head in the sand, Youre the one that is reduced to trying to explain why the statements Ronnie made AFTER his victory speech were incorrect (thereby nullifying his previous statement), but the one he made directly after WINNING AN OLYMPIA is more valid. (Not like hes riding a wave of emotions due to winning or anything).
Not to mention that is your ENTIRE argument. Pics are not proof when youre not an IFBB judge. If you were a judge, and you told me, 99 wins, Id accept that. Unfortunatley, you have no proof so you point to the pics and say "See! See!"
Thats like me showing you a pic of my car amd a friends car and saying "look, look its nicer than his car!"
You cannot tell shit from pics. And you werent there. And youre nobody in the industry. So, sounds like you fail Hulkster.

[Hulkster]

Thats like me showing you a pic of my car amd a friends car and saying "look, look its nicer than his car!"
You cannot tell shit from pics.

1. absolutely wrong. for example, ND's gut ran above, you can tell very easily that his gut was smaller in 98/99 than it was in 2001.

its like showing a pic of a honda civic and a full size hummer and asking which is bigger? its obvious.

so your analogy fails miserably.

You cannot tell shit from pics.[/

spoken like someone who truly knows they are wrong and knows it after seeing the visuals, but cannot bring themselves to admit it.

you deny the proof as always.

how you can argue given that all the visuals prove you wrong and you know it enough that you have to outright deny them, I will never know..

[Hulkster]

Your quote would be credible, if Ronnie hadnt disputed it not once, not twice, but three times.

no, the quote is credible because the visuals corroborate it.
end of story.

what ronnie said after that does not change this.

you can't get out of this one.

[lovemonkey]

no, the quote is credible because the visuals corroborate it.
end of story.

what ronnie said after that does not change this.

you can't get out of this one.

Ok I usually don't bother with these debates but this right here is pathetic. What fuckin kind of argument is that?

[JP_RC]

ND you certainly love your quotes don't you?

You'll love what the great Sergio Oliva had to say about Dorian Yates on an interview sometime ago:

"Then there’s Dorian Yates. He has a belly like a cow and no arms. That is not a complete physique. That is not proportional or symmetrical."

 

Taken from here in case some of you guys think its made up:
http://muscleandbrawn.com/sergio-oliva-interview/

[Shockwave]

1. absolutely wrong. for example, ND's gut ran above, you can tell very easily that his gut was smaller in 98/99 than it was in 2001.

its like showing a pic of a honda civic and a full size hummer and asking which is bigger? its obvious.

so your analogy fails miserably.

spoken like someone who truly knows they are wrong and knows it after seeing the visuals, but cannot bring themselves to admit it.

you deny the proof as always.

how you can argue given that all the visuals prove you wrong and you know it enough that you have to outright deny them, I will never know..

Wow Hulkster... I cant even begin to tell you how pathetic this is.
In the case of Ronnie, youre car analogy is stupid. 98 to 99 is like comparing a civic to a Hummer!? Wow...  Its like taking a pic of 2 hummers and comparing them. You cant tell anything but the kind of car and the color. You cant get the sublteties. Self Ownage #1

Ill be the first to admit he looks amazing. But to think youre going to see everthing from those pics and vids is DENIAL at its finest. lol.

You truely think that youre 10 year old video is proof enough to claim someones best bodybuilding showing?
Sad sad sad.  

Lets clear this up Hulkster. Youre trying to pass your opinion off as fact, but
#1 Youve never been to a Pro Show.
#2 You have never been a BB judge.
#3 You have never been a competitor
#4 You ignore Ronnie Colemans opinion (3x) on his best showing, but you use the 1x during his victory speech where he said it was his best shape. (Which was contradicted 3 times.<----LOL)
#5 The only people who support your claims, are internet fans on a BB chat board
#6 Youre basing everthing off a 10 year old video uploaded to the internet. You havent even seen the REAL DVD.
#7 You constantly ignore the opinons of Industry Experts.
#8 The only proof you can muster is by posting pics, and saying "See!?"

Sad, sad, sad,

[Shockwave]

ND you certainly love your quotes don't you?

You'll love what the great Sergio Oliva had to say about Dorian Yates on an interview sometime ago:

"Then there’s Dorian Yates. He has a belly like a cow and no arms. That is not a complete physique. That is not proportional or symmetrical."

 

Taken from here in case some of you guys think its made up:
http://muscleandbrawn.com/sergio-oliva-interview/

Hi pumpster.  We havent missed you.

[JP_RC]

You'd have to grasp how contests are judged before you can come to the conclusion on why he won six Olympias and clearly you don't

the judges take into consideration ALL of the criteria at every contest , your blanket statements grown tiresome

and judging is simple it's who meets ALL of the criteria the best as a whole is declared the winner

You and your friend clearly said it before: the winner is picked based on size, density & dryness, balance & proportions and posing.
I didn't see Dorian having good proportions and symmetry, so I think judges just cared about muscle mass, dryness and who had the biggest/widest back.

Are things like separations, details, taper, etc. part of the criteria? Apparently they were not.
One of your friends here even told me sometime ago those things aren't judged.

[Shockwave]

no, the quote is credible because the visuals corroborate it.
end of story.

what ronnie said after that does not change this.

you can't get out of this one.

Bwahahah. Ahhh, is Hulkster gonna take his ball and go home?
You sound like a 3 year old.
Nuh uh, no he didnt, cause I said so! Wah!
Ronnie said something that I dont agree with! Wahhh!!!! He cant change what he said!!! Wahhh!!!!
Lol.

Keep showing everyone how pathetic you are. lol.

BTW, get out of this? Stop projecting. Youre the one trying to rewrite history.
Ronnie says "Its my best showing ever!" Directly after winning, adrenaline running cause he won, hes not thinking of past shows, hes thinking how he kicked ass. Not only that, hes not gonna say, yeah, well I won, but I was better last year.

Say whatever you like, but youre the one thats stuck.

Ronnie 3 times AFTER his victory speech, says, "Yeah, 98 was the best".
Look at it however you want, obviously the mans opinion is 98 was the best. not 99.
Sorry Hulkster, looks like its YOU that cant get out of this one.  

[Shockwave]

You and your friend clearly said it before: the winner is picked based on size, density & dryness, balance & proportions and posing.
I didn't see Dorian having good proportions and symmetry, so I think judges just cared about muscle mass, dryness and who had the biggest/widest back.

Are things like separations, details, taper, etc. part of the criteria? Apparently they were not.
One of your friends here even told me sometime ago those things aren't judged.

That was me. And it is.
Symmetry is factored in, but in the case of Dorian, his 1 shorter bicep was not enough of a flaw in the poses to knock him off.
Balance, you can say you don't see it all you want, but Dorians Calves were better balanced to his legs than Ronnies, Dorians forearms are better balanced to his upper arms than Ronnies, and Dorian had a better midsection.  (As far as BB is concerned, in BB you want to have large calves - In fact the greek ideal that BB is based on is having Calves, arms, and I think its neck all the same size.)
Dorians Biceps were his weak part, and they really only were a problem in 2 poses, BDB, and FDB.
You can claim you think Dorians Calves and Forearms were to large for his legs and arms if you want, but remember, Dorian was the benchmark that Ronnie would be measured against. Not the other way around. Therefore, Ronnies calves would be too small in the eyes of the judges, not the other way around. See what Im saying?

[JP_RC]

you're preaching to the choir , tell me something I don't know , but density & dryness is the exact same reason why Dorian beat Flex in 1993   despite Flex's clear advantage in shape , symmetry and aesthetics.

You can disagree all you'd like it doesn't change history. Either the judges got it right or they didn't and you figured it all out on GetBig via pictures 18 years later , which one is the more logical position?

some of his competitors met part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian did but none of them meet ALL of them as good as he did.

you're preaching to the choir , tell me something I don't know , but density & dryness is the exact same reason why Dorian beat Flex in 1993   despite Flex's clear advantage in shape , symmetry and aesthetics.

Well Dorian in 1993 also had muscular bulk and balance & proportions going for him that year.
I just wanted to show you how overall bodyweight or muscular bulk can sometimes not be a decisive factor in who wins a show. There are so many examples of this:

Shawn Ray constantly beating guys heavier than him, like Paul Dillet, Nasser, Levrone, Fux, etc. Even when he won the overall title at the 1987 Nationals, he beat a guy that was heavier than him.

Another example might be Flex beating Nasser, Dexter Jackson constantly beating heavier guys, what about Lee Labrada, the list can go on.

This shows that bodyweight (who's the heaviest) is not all that important when other things are taken into consideration.
This shows how Ronnie despite being lighter, would beat Dorian if they met at their bests.

You can disagree all you'd like it doesn't change history. Either the judges got it right or they didn't and you figured it all out on GetBig via pictures 18 years later , which one is the more logical position?

some of his competitors met part(s) of the criteria better than Dorian did but none of them meet ALL of them as good as he did.

I agree, but I'm just stating my opinion.

[Hulkster]

Youre the one trying to rewrite history.

no, I am preserving history by posting visuals that show how exactly how it was.

you and ND are denying history by spending pages and pages trying to deny how Ronnie looked on contest day..

think about it.

one group posts visuals

the other group says they are wrong OR EVEN FAKED ( ) and tries to deny what they show.

now, who is rewriting history again?

 

[JP_RC]

Hi pumpster.  We havent missed you.

Who is pumpster?

Hell, first I was hulkster to you and now I'm pumpster?  

I love it when you guys accuse me of being someone I'm not. I've been called hulkster, bizzy and pumpster so far, let's see what you guys come up with next.

[Hulkster]

not surprising.

this is a group of guys who maintain that there is a global IFBB conspiracy to fake the 1999 Olympia tapes and dvds out there.

nothing they come up with can surprise anyone after this gem of stupidity.

 

[Shockwave]

no, I am preserving history by posting visuals that show how exactly how it was.

you and ND are denying history by spending pages and pages trying to deny how Ronnie looked on contest day..

think about it.

one group posts visuals

the other group says they are wrong OR EVEN FAKED ( ) and tries to deny what they show.

now, who is rewriting history again?

 

Hahaha.
Again with youre pathetic attempts.
Nothing is going to change the fact that Ronnie's opinion, (and everyone but yours and a few Internet fans), is that 98 was better than 99.
Technically I could post the vid of 98 and say the same fucking thing you do. Lol.
Sorry, but since youre only "proof" is to post pics, from a 10 year old video and ignore everything anyone has to say, well Ill have to stick with the experts.
Sad, sad, sad Hulkster.

[Shockwave]

not surprising.

this is a group of guys who maintain that there is a global IFBB conspiracy to fake the 1999 Olympia tapes and dvds out there.

nothing they come up with can surprise anyone after this gem of stupidity.

 

Oh, sad sad little Hulkster, are you mad that you cant prove anything, and no one else with a shred of credibility agrees with you?
Oh wait, it must be that Ronnie himself thinks you are incorrect, and that 98 was in fact his best showing.
Oh, maybe its that youre only source of "proof" is a 10 Year old vid being reviewed by someone who's entire bodybuilding credentials are having seen a 3rd tier pro "At a gustposing once"
But I guess that makes you capable of arguing Ronnie's opinion right? Having seen a 3rd tier pro standing by himself?
Or maybe that makes it acceptable for you to argue with IFBB officials and experts right?
Or maybe since you saw Nimrod King, that you know enough to judge between 2 contests WITHOUT actually seeing either of them!
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[Shockwave]

Who is pumpster?

Hell, first I was hulkster to you and now I'm pumpster?  

I love it when you guys accuse me of being someone I'm not. I've been called hulkster, bizzy and pumpster so far, let's see what you guys come up with next.

You quoted one of Pumpsters old quotes. Obviously you havent been around getbig long enough to understand the "Hello, *insert name*" jokes.
Pumpster was outed as a fat, gay, slob who used to be Hulksters Ronnie loving Dorian hating sidekick. And he was a moderator of the training forum.
You posted the same thing he used to repeatedley, so I called you pumpster.