Dorian Yates - overrated!

[JP_RC]

Bigger , harder , drier , better balanced and more complete 

I agree he is drier in these pics, but there are pleny of Ronnie precontest pics that show he is pretty close to this dryness, if not equally as dry.

Bigger? Just because he is heavier? His back is probably wider and his calves are bigger, but when you look at the arms, quads, hams, delts, chest its another story.

Better balanced and more complete? Maybe on these pics since they are 1993 and prior, but since you guys say his best was 1995, then I don't see him being more balanced or complete.

[JP_RC]

Still waiting on your explanation, Hulkster.... 
Your "real" Vid.
Lol.

Other vids

- LOL. Yep, matches up great.

Sure looks the same to me. 

Yup, flex sure looks the same as in your vid. 

Again, looks the same to me! 

Misc Pics from 99 O

Conclusion - Again Hulkster, your "video proof" doesnt match up to reality. Looks like your the one full of shit.

You forgot about this one:

[Shockwave]

You forgot about this one:

Yup. Still a long way off from what Hulkster posted.
Especially, (ironically) because he said they were 2 "independant" sources, and it wound up being the same guy "bizzy" who sharpened the pics. Lol.

[Immortal_Technique]

You forgot about this one:

That is one detailed, separated, aesthetic physique!

[JP_RC]

No I wouldn't say any of that and in fact I've already elaborated to the contrary on exactly why

Ronnie 99 doesn't touch Dorian's conditioning in 95 , he maybe came close in 98 but 99 sorry. I've already explained why Dorian has better balance & proportion and why Dorian was a better poser

conditioning isn't equal and neither is posing , Dorian would have an advantage in bulk and balance & proportion , and things like muscle shape? again Ronnie has some clear advantages and so does Dorian , how about calf shape? ab shape? lat shape? forearm shape? I mean it works both ways , development? see what I just typed , separations again see what I just typed

all of that assumed criteria you just typed can be applied to Flex Wheeler who lost to Dorian who has far superior shape than Dorian and Ronnie it's whole meets ALL of the criteria the best would win and you've already tried to minimize Dorian's advantages to claim a Ronnie victory based on what you see not on what the judges would see

conditioning isn't equal and neither is posing , Dorian would have an advantage in bulk and balance & proportion , and things like muscle shape? again Ronnie has some clear advantages and so does Dorian , how about calf shape? ab shape? lat shape? forearm shape? I mean it works both ways , development? see what I just typed , separations again see what I just typed

Since dryness and density are the only important factors in conditioning according to you, lets use a 98 Ronnie for a comparison. A 98 Ronnie would equal a 93 or 95 Dorian as far as dryness is concerned.

Why would Dorian be a better poser? I don't see it.

I still can't understand why Dorian would have an advantage in balance & proportions.
Both had flaws as far as proportions are concerned, but I see Dorian having more. I see Ronnie having an advantage in balance & proportions because, with the exception of his calves, every single muscle is proportionately developed to match the rest.
Again, I always saw Dorian with an overpowering back/torso and great calves.

If muscle shape, separations, etc. are taken into consideration, then lets take a look:
Dorian: calves, back, abs
Ronnie: chest, delts, biceps, triceps, quads
Hams and forearms might be equal. I don't see how you can "evaluate" a forearm's shape though.

[JP_RC]

Yup. Still a long way off from what Hulkster posted.
Especially, (ironically) because he said they were 2 "independant" sources, and it wound up being the same guy "bizzy" who sharpened the pics. Lol.

Its actually closer to Hulkster's vids and pics than the videos you posted.
Its a video with actually excellent image quality as opposed to the 3 one you posted.
Do you see how a bad quality video can change a physique's detailed appareance do much. Especially if a video makes a black guy's skin appear orange.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yup. Still a long way off from what Hulkster posted.
Especially, (ironically) because he said they were 2 "independant" sources, and it wound up being the same guy "bizzy" who sharpened the pics. Lol.

hahahahahaha

independent means the same guy , reminds me of Hulkster's dumb comrade Neo who claims verbatim means to change everything around , these guys who defend Ronnie are among the dumbest people

[NarcissisticDeity]

That is one detailed, separated, aesthetic physique!

you got two parts about that right  you're learning

[Shockwave]

Its actually closer to Hulkster's vids and pics than the videos you posted.
Its a video with actually excellent image quality as opposed to the 3 one you posted.
Do you see how a bad quality video can change a physique's detailed appareance do much. Especially if a video makes a black guy's skin appear orange.

I can, but youre just as delusional as Hulkster. I know you want to see it be real as much as I want to see it be totally fake, but to be fair its not a accurate representation of the show.
Just look at the pic compilation video. The point im getting at, is that the contrast on that vid has been messed with, as Kevin Horton called him out. Its rediculous enough that the vid looks nothing like the pics or any other vid. increasing contrast causes the shadows to take on a much more 3d quality, which is why that video looks so rediculous. You can tell right off the bat something doesnt look right,  just by looking at the lighting and shadows on the competitors. Its rediculous.
Especially when the guy that put those vids up was busted and admitted to massaging his media.  

Ronnie looked amazing, no doubt, but theyre is a reason no expert, no competitor, and no one involved in BB mentions 99 as being so "rediculous", and its because the show didnt look like the one in Hulksters vid's.

Ever notice the only people that freak out about 99 are the people that have watched that vid?
But the people that were there, that competed, and are respected in the BB world dont share that opinion. Hmm.. wonder why?
Must be cause thats not how they looked. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Since dryness and density are the only important factors in conditioning according to you, lets use a 98 Ronnie for a comparison. A 98 Ronnie would equal a 93 or 95 Dorian as far as dryness is concerned.

Why would Dorian be a better poser? I don't see it.

I still can't understand why Dorian would have an advantage in balance & proportions.
Both had flaws as far as proportions are concerned, but I see Dorian having more. I see Ronnie having an advantage in balance & proportions because, with the exception of his calves, every single muscle is proportionately developed to match the rest.
Again, I always saw Dorian with an overpowering back/torso and great calves.

If muscle shape, separations, etc. are taken into consideration, then lets take a look:
Dorian: calves, back, abs
Ronnie: chest, delts, biceps, triceps, quads
Hams and forearms might be equal. I don't see how you can "evaluate" a forearm's shape though.

Since dryness and density are the only important factors in conditioning according to you, lets use a 98 Ronnie for a comparison. A 98 Ronnie would equal a 93 or 95 Dorian as far as dryness is concerned.

not the only important factor but a major one. being dry is half the equation being carrying more muscular bulk is another and being dense all at the same time is the pinnacle

Why would Dorian be a better poser? I don't see it.

then either you're being contrary or you never seen any videos of the two posing. neither are Lee Labrada but I think it's apparent Yates is a better pose especially in the mandatories , go look at Yates at the 94 and Ronnie in 94 and maybe you'll see it

I still can't understand why Dorian would have an advantage in balance & proportions.
Both had flaws as far as proportions are concerned, but I see Dorian having more. I see Ronnie having an advantage in balance & proportions because, with the exception of his calves, every single muscle is proportionately developed to match the rest.
Again, I always saw Dorian with an overpowering back/torso and great calves.

Again there is a lot you can't seem to understand and you think by asking the same question again the answer will change? every muscle is proportionately developed to the rest LMFAO calves , hams both in relation to the quads , glutes so grossly overdeveloped they can be seen from the front and they stick way out in the back , biceps/triceps that dominate his forearms , at his best Dorian has less flaws than this by far

If muscle shape, separations, etc. are taken into consideration, then lets take a look:
Dorian: calves, back, abs
Ronnie: chest, delts, biceps, triceps, quads
Hams and forearms might be equal. I don't see how you can "evaluate" a forearm's shape though.

Hulkster and his comrades tried this angle eons ago , trying to accumulate parts in the hopes that makes the better whole NOT how it works , entertaining it's true why doesn't he have a better side triceps? or ab-thigh? front latspread despite all of his advantages?

and forearm shape? Ronnie's are shaped like a bowling pin and Dorian's aren't it's like having short high calves like Ronnie has

[Immortal_Technique]

you got two parts about that right  you're learning

Superior aesthetics to Dorian by your own admission. You can't patronise me old chap 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Superior aesthetics to Dorian by your own admission. You can't patronise me old chap 

Like I said it's like saying a Tank is better looking than a dump-truck when neither is a Ferrari

it's a very shallow victory 

[Immortal_Technique]

Victory is sweet.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Victory is sweet.

For Dorian who beat Ronnie every time they met  and even after Ronnie started winning he still conceded he couldn't touch Dorian 

Victory is sweet especially when I used your own hero to get it. 

[Immortal_Technique]

it's a very shallow victory 

You wrote these words just now, I am happy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You wrote these words just now, I am happy.

old news stop acting like it's break news

it's the only ' victory ' Ronnie can manage over Yates 

[Immortal_Technique]

My bad, you did post it a full 5 minutes ago.

Victory is sweet.

[NarcissisticDeity]

My bad, you did post it a full 5 minutes ago.

Victory is sweet.

Nah an eternity ago , it's old news

[Immortal_Technique]

Forgive the Ronnie spam in a Dorian thread, but for context and comparison given the title of the thread here goes.

You've just conceded on aesthetics. Clearly size, separation and detail are all advantage Ronnie.

Presumably you'll claim 'balance and proportion' is lacking despite previously mentioned superior aesthetics.

Maybe not granite like the shadow but superior ham and glute separation.

Imagine this video in black and white and it would look even more classic and epic and grainy etc...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Forgive the Ronnie spam in a Dorian thread, but for context and comparison given the title of the thread here goes.

You've just conceded on aesthetics. Clearly size, separation and detail are all advantage Ronnie.

Presumably you'll claim 'balance and proportion' is lacking despite previously mentioned superior aesthetics.

Maybe not granite like the shadow but superior ham and glute separation.

Imagine this video in black and white and it would look even more classic and epic and grainy etc...

Forgive the Ronnie spam in a Dorian thread, but for context and comparison given the title of the thread here goes.

You've just conceded on aesthetics. Clearly size, separation and detail are all advantage Ronnie.

I've conceded ' aesthetics ' eons ago again it's NO victory when you're arguing a tank looks better than a dump-truck. size is NO advantage when it's at the expense of density & dryness , separation again both have advantages over one another in this area and same with detail , you can't cherry-pick which ones are more important to you while ignoring the others , it's not how it works

and a Coleman fan spamming in a Yates thread lol it goes hand-in-hand at least you're apologizing

Presumably you'll claim 'balance and proportion' is lacking despite previously mentioned superior aesthetics.

Maybe not granite like the shadow but superior ham and glute separation.

Imagine this video in black and white and it would look even more classic and epic and grainy etc...

Even entertaining his hams and glutes are superior his conditioning else were is vastly inferior again it's no advantage

03 isn't the best example of Ronnie even though you like it so much , like Hulkster and 99 it's not his best specifically because of the above mentioned issues

Dorian 282 pounds better balance & proportion and conditioning , what advantage does Ronnie hold now?

[Immortal_Technique]

I've conceded ' aesthetics ' eons ago again it's NO victory when you're arguing a tank looks better than a dump-truck. size is NO advantage when it's at the expense of density & dryness , separation again both have advantages over one another in this area and same with detail , you can't cherry-pick which ones are more important to you while ignoring the others , it's not how it works

and a Coleman fan spamming in a Yates thread lol it goes hand-in-hand at least you're apologizing

Even entertaining his hams and glutes are superior his conditioning else were is vastly inferior again it's no advantage

03 isn't the best example of Ronnie even though you like it so much , like Hulkster and 99 it's not his best specifically because of the above mentioned issues

Dorian 282 pounds better balance & proportion and conditioning , what advantage does Ronnie hold now?

Ronnie's proved he can bring it on a stage in front of a crowd, or witnesses if you like 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's proved he can bring it on a stage in front of a crowd, or witnesses if you like 

So could Dorian he was just a lot more concerned about bring hard and dry than Ronnie was , because his competition was a lot more fierce when he competed , there was a higher standard of conditioning too 

[Lundgren]

I've conceded ' aesthetics ' eons ago again it's NO victory when you're arguing a tank looks better than a dump-truck. size is NO advantage when it's at the expense of density & dryness , separation again both have advantages over one another in this area and same with detail , you can't cherry-pick which ones are more important to you while ignoring the others , it's not how it works

and a Coleman fan spamming in a Yates thread lol it goes hand-in-hand at least you're apologizing

Even entertaining his hams and glutes are superior his conditioning else were is vastly inferior again it's no advantage

03 isn't the best example of Ronnie even though you like it so much , like Hulkster and 99 it's not his best specifically because of the above mentioned issues

Dorian 282 pounds better balance & proportion and conditioning , what advantage does Ronnie hold now?

Yates was good at the time but hasn't held the test of the time. He had a edge in size and conditioning over everyone else. He's a gimmick, he just looks like a freak even compared to Ronnie or Gutler. Ronnie always looks good even when his size isn't the greatest, Yates just looks like an over glazed turkey.

[Immortal_Technique]

If this is true why do you never post contest pics of Dorian?

[NarcissisticDeity]

If this is true why do you never post contest pics of Dorian?

I do , I have , even in this thread and I personally think the best he's ever looked was that precontest footage from 1993