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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #650 on: April 26, 2010, 10:30:53 AM »
Yates was wider in the front? Only appeared so cause of his shitty biceps.



Yates had a better side chest? Hardly.



This one is not even close.


 
Dorian has a sharper back, not bigger though, just sharper.


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #651 on: April 26, 2010, 12:19:35 PM »
Yates was wider in the front? Only appeared so cause of his shitty biceps.



Yates had a better side chest? Hardly.



This one is not even close.


 
Dorian has a sharper back, not bigger though, just sharper.


heres the thing... if you compare there clavicle width, like in this pic you can see how wide they compare.
Yes, I realize Ronnie was way down in size, and not posed, Im simply talking clavicle width here.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #652 on: April 26, 2010, 12:21:02 PM »
on the contrary, you need to learn to pay attention. You seem to be struggling with the concept that my post wasn't directed to you. If I wanted your attention, then I would specifically address my post to you - not to another poster

brah, don't lie. 9/10 pics you post of Dorian are <surprise surprise> offstage pics. Spare me your excuse about him looking his best before a contest. According to you, his conditioning improved up until the day of the show and stage lighting and posing oil make bodybuilders look more impressive (again, according to you). So, following your logic, Dorian should look even better in contest pics. You're trying to be deceitful by saying the offstage pics of him in favorable lighting actually make him look worse. If anything, the B&W shots of him in the gym make him look better than how he really looked.

no, technically terrible means shit b/c bodybuilders use the same 'terrible techniques' in the kitchen, in front of a bathroom mirror, or at the gym ;)

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on the contrary, you need to learn to pay attention. You seem to be struggling with the concept that my post wasn't directed to you. If I wanted your attention, then I would specifically address my post to you - not to another poster

We've already established it wasn't directed at me , but that's neither here nor there it was about me and this is your round-about way of getting into the conversation without looking like the troll , just like the random G.I.F.s you posted , it's your foot in the door. Not very subtle or bright

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brah, don't lie. 9/10 pics you post of Dorian are <surprise surprise> offstage pics. Spare me your excuse about him looking his best before a contest. According to you, his conditioning improved up until the day of the show and stage lighting and posing oil make bodybuilders look more impressive (again, according to you). So, following your logic, Dorian should look even better in contest pics. You're trying to be deceitful by saying the offstage pics of him in favorable lighting actually make him look worse. If anything, the B&W shots of him in the gym make him look better than how he really looked.

Go learn what a lie is dummy before you accuse people of doing it like your claim with Peter McGough was not being present for the photoshoot  ;), now you're reduced to amending your original claim from ' every pic I post ' to ' 9/10 pics ' and even if that's the case it's because I feel and many feel this was the best Dorian looked fucking duh I'm gonna post them , the ' debate ' after all genius is who would beat whom and their respective bests

I never said his conditioning improved until the say of the show , in fact Dorian and many experts feel Dorian was contest ready weeks before the contest and in hindsight realized he was just losing pure muscle by getting lighter. If tanning and oil and contest lighting don't make a positive contribution why do pros do it and why are contests judged under them? why not have the just go to fucking Home Depot and have the contest in one of their faux kitchens  ::)

I wont lie he looks outstanding in the pics but he would have looked even better with color , oil and contest lighting if you disagree so be it , it's laughable you think he only looks great because he was in a gym  ::) all the while forgetting the testimony of how great his conditioning was at that weight

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no, technically terrible means shit b/c bodybuilders use the same 'terrible techniques' in the kitchen, in front of a bathroom mirror, or at the gym ;)

yes which why everyone looks as great as Dorian in those pics  ::) sure that's why to this day people are still raving about them , I'm still waiting for your outstanding kitchen pics little man  ;) you're trying to minimize the impact those pics had at that time and still hold to this day , it's funny his competitors were demoralized after seeing them but why would they be? seeing all they had to do is just run to the kitchen and look just as great  ::)



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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #653 on: April 26, 2010, 12:25:00 PM »
Yates was wider in the front? Only appeared so cause of his shitty biceps.



Yates had a better side chest? Hardly.


This one is not even close.

 
Dorian has a sharper back, not bigger though, just sharper.



You're on crack if you think the scale of these pics are an accurate representation of reality, Dorian with a smaller waist & hips than Ronnie , Ronnie with bigger calves than Dorian. These are laughable and made by a Ronnie guy who needs to go back to the drawing board anyone who buys into this lives in a fanciful world .

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #654 on: April 26, 2010, 12:40:00 PM »
We've already established it wasn't directed at me , but that's neither here nor there it was about me and this is your round-about way of getting into the conversation without looking like the troll , just like the random G.I.F.s you posted , it's your foot in the door. Not very subtle or bright

Go learn what a lie is dummy before you accuse people of doing it like your claim with Peter McGough was not being present for the photoshoot, now you're reduced to amending your original claim from ' every pic I post ' to ' 9/10 pics ' and even if that's the case it's because I feel and many feel this was the best Dorian looked fucking duh I'm gonna post them , the ' debate ' after all genius is who would beat whom and their respective bests

I never said his conditioning improved until the say of the show , in fact Dorian and many experts feel Dorian was contest ready weeks before the contest and in hindsight realized he was just losing pure muscle by getting lighter. If tanning and oil and contest lighting don't make a positive contribution why do pros do it and why are contests judged under them? why not have the just go to fucking Home Depot and have the contest in one of their faux kitchens

I wont lie he looks outstanding in the pics but he would have looked even better with color , oil and contest lighting if you disagree so be it , it's laughable you think he only looks great because he was in a gym all the while forgetting the testimony of how great his conditioning was at that weight

yes which why everyone looks as great as Dorian in those pics  sure that's why to this day people are still raving about them , I'm still waiting for your outstanding kitchen pics little man you're trying to minimize the impact those pics had at that time and still hold to this day , it's funny his competitors were demoralized after seeing them but why would they be? seeing all they had to do is just run to the kitchen and look just as great

translation: my entire existence is validated by arguing with strangers online. Therefore, I will spew whatever bullshit to incite arguments and draw attention to myself. Should I be proven wrong, I will simply misconstrue other people's words and purposely lie to keep the argument going

oh what a simple man you are, ND. A simpleton indeed ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #655 on: April 26, 2010, 01:49:26 PM »
translation: my entire existence is validated by arguing with strangers online. Therefore, I will spew whatever bullshit to incite arguments and draw attention to myself. Should I be proven wrong, I will simply misconstrue other people's words and purposely lie to keep the argument going

oh what a simple man you are, ND. A simpleton indeed ;)

Projection , go look up the word. and again there is NO argument it's me correcting you people on how contests are judged. you can't counter anything I typed because you're ignorant and frustrated due to fact you simply don't know what you're talking about and are in way over your head

as usual when stifled you simply stop responding , you wanted in this conversation and now you want out a typical patten of you , I enjoy correcting you and Hulkster so I'll look for you to weasel your way back into another Dorian Yates thread until then , watch & learn  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #656 on: April 26, 2010, 01:56:31 PM »
another classic FR quote. I laugh at how stupid you must look to people viewing your posts about these clips. especially those who own or have owned the contest on tape or dvd.

yes, they maintain the faked video theory.

its right up there with the 9/11 was an inside job theory, I would say LOL

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You're trying to use Forcedreps to defend Bizzy's worked screencaps and it AIN'T working , here is Kevin Horton saying outright there is a difference between the two and Bizzy's are fucked  ;D chew on that dumbass


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #657 on: April 26, 2010, 02:13:21 PM »
Projection , go look up the word. and again there is NO argument it's me correcting you people on how contests are judged. you can't counter anything I typed because you're ignorant and frustrated due to fact you simply don't know what you're talking about and are in way over your head

as usual when stifled you simply stop responding , you wanted in this conversation and now you want out a typical patten of you , I enjoy correcting you and Hulkster so I'll look for you to weasel your way back into another Dorian Yates thread until then , watch & learn

no you don't, boo. I won't be sucked into your silly games ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #658 on: April 26, 2010, 02:14:02 PM »
Ronnie NO year can touch this combo , 270 lbs near perfect balance & proportion , injury free unmatched conditioning at this weight and just complete from head to toe

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #659 on: April 26, 2010, 02:21:54 PM »
no you don't, boo. I won't be sucked into your silly games ;)



You already have you're in another Dorian Yates thread resorting to ad hominem attacks and false allegations

I can walk away from any debate on this topic it's been proven , I'm not a one trick pony . I'm a fan of the sport I post on a wide variety of topics and bodybuilders , can you stay out of a Yates thread?  ;) can you stop mentioning my name?  ;) I don't need your attention I'm no puppy

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #660 on: April 26, 2010, 03:17:09 PM »
You already have you're in another Dorian Yates thread resorting to ad hominem attacks and false allegations

I can walk away from any debate on this topic it's been proven , I'm not a one trick pony . I'm a fan of the sport I post on a wide variety of topics and bodybuilders , can you stay out of a Yates thread? can you stop mentioning my name? I don't need your attention I'm no puppy


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #661 on: April 26, 2010, 03:25:02 PM »

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #662 on: April 26, 2010, 03:40:31 PM »
I'm glad you agree

no problem, brah! Just want to see you happy is all

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #663 on: April 26, 2010, 04:03:24 PM »
no problem, brah! Just want to see you happy is all

Yeah which is why you follow me around.  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #664 on: April 26, 2010, 04:19:43 PM »
Dorian's size & conditioning have not been equaled , let's say Ronnie did equal it for the sake of argument ( and that's being kind ) it was always at his lightest bodyweights so it's NO advantage , Shawn Ray had great conditioning and lacked behind in mass/balance/proportion so you lose as usual

Shawn Ray lacked behind in balance & proportions in comparison to Dorian?
This is a new one......

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #665 on: April 26, 2010, 04:22:49 PM »
Ronnie's size, conditioning, symmetry, fullness, and aesthetics have not been equaled. This trumps size and conditioning

This is the exact reason why I said that Ronnie just took the "mass monster" game a step further and is better than Dorian.

According to ND, thos things don't matter. All that matters is how dry and dense a bodybuilder is, carrying a lot of muscular bulk even if it is unproportionately distributed.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #666 on: April 26, 2010, 04:38:19 PM »
not the only important factor but a major one. being dry is half the equation being carrying more muscular bulk is another and being dense all at the same time is the pinnacle

then either you're being contrary or you never seen any videos of the two posing. neither are Lee Labrada but I think it's apparent Yates is a better pose especially in the mandatories , go look at Yates at the 94 and Ronnie in 94 and maybe you'll see it

Again there is a lot you can't seem to understand and you think by asking the same question again the answer will change? every muscle is proportionately developed to the rest LMFAO calves , hams both in relation to the quads , glutes so grossly overdeveloped they can be seen from the front and they stick way out in the back , biceps/triceps that dominate his forearms , at his best Dorian has less flaws than this by far

Hulkster and his comrades tried this angle eons ago , trying to accumulate parts in the hopes that makes the better whole NOT how it works , entertaining it's true why doesn't he have a better side triceps? or ab-thigh? front latspread despite all of his advantages?

and forearm shape? Ronnie's are shaped like a bowling pin and Dorian's aren't it's like having short high calves like Ronnie has

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not the only important factor but a major one. being dry is half the equation being carrying more muscular bulk is another and being dense all at the same time is the pinnacle

I understand your point here, but if Dorian indeed was more dense than Ronnie would it be enough to beat him? I don't think so.

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then either you're being contrary or you never seen any videos of the two posing. neither are Lee Labrada but I think it's apparent Yates is a better pose especially in the mandatories , go look at Yates at the 94 and Ronnie in 94 and maybe you'll see it

I've seen videos of the two posing and both are good at holding the mandatory poses, but neither are very good at posing routines.
I didn't see Ronnie in 94, if he was that bad at posing still wouldn't matter since he got better at it by 98.

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Again there is a lot you can't seem to understand and you think by asking the same question again the answer will change? every muscle is proportionately developed to the rest LMFAO calves , hams both in relation to the quads , glutes so grossly overdeveloped they can be seen from the front and they stick way out in the back , biceps/triceps that dominate his forearms , at his best Dorian has less flaws than this by far

I said his calves are his only proportion problem, but that's it. Hams are good in relation to quads, but let's say they are a bit smaller, the difference still wouldn't be as notorious as Dorian's overpowering back/torso.
Glutes overpower the rest because they stick out from the front? Are you serious? Are you saying his glutes overpower his massive upper legs and massive upperbody? I don't think so, they overpower his calves obviously, but that's it.
I don't see his forearms being underdeveloped:

 

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #667 on: April 26, 2010, 04:39:10 PM »
Ronnie NO year can touch this combo , 270 lbs near perfect balance & proportion , injury free unmatched conditioning at this weight and just complete from head to toe


uh no, ronnie surpasses it. yes his calves suck.

 but from the knees up the quality is far better. better back, better arms, totally ripped hams/glutes etc. its all there.

dorian has a good back shot with okay glutes/hams with great calves.
ronnie has an amazing back shot with amazing hams/glutes with shitty calves.

advantage: ronnie coleman

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #668 on: April 26, 2010, 04:41:07 PM »
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You're trying to use Forcedreps to defend Bizzy's worked screencaps and it AIN'T working

oh yes it is.

because the forcedreps quotes show that you idiots have been claiming all this 99 stuff has been faked since day one.

so everything forcedreps says about "faked" screenshots and videos applies perfectly well.

and you know it.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #669 on: April 26, 2010, 04:45:10 PM »
Ronnie NO year can touch this combo , 270 lbs near perfect balance & proportion , injury free unmatched conditioning at this weight and just complete from head to toe


This is the reason why I think Dorian's best year was 1993, unfortunately he never looked like this onstage. Not even at the 93 Olympia.

This is strange though, you guys keep saying Dorian's best was in 1995. Which is why I was comparing Ronnie's best vs Dorian in 95. In this case Ronnie wins in my eyes.
 
A top Ronnie vs Dorian in 93 would be closer in my opinion, but I think Ronnie would out mass him.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #670 on: April 26, 2010, 04:47:04 PM »
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This is strange though, you guys keep saying Dorian's best was in 1995

just let them insist that.

because Ronnie 99 destroys dorian 95 even more than he destroys dorian 93:
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #671 on: April 26, 2010, 05:00:05 PM »
Shawn Ray lacked behind in balance & proportions in comparison to Dorian?
This is a new one......

yeah I'm sure it is to you  ::) short high calves , short legs long torso , narrow clavicles , only 5'7" absolutely

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #672 on: April 26, 2010, 05:01:46 PM »
Yeah which is why you follow me around

mmm, no. I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp but I moved on from our discussions on Dorian vs Ronnie. I'm currently in grad school, have a gf, and workout. I have more important priorities right now but still enjoy the occasional exchanges hence my light-humored posts recently

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #673 on: April 26, 2010, 05:03:52 PM »
oh yes it is.

because the forcedreps quotes show that you idiots have been claiming all this 99 stuff has been faked since day one.

so everything forcedreps says about "faked" screenshots and videos applies perfectly well.

and you know it.

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NO ONE claimed ALL 99 stuff is fake just the shit you posted that was proved enhanced , in fact Kevin Horton used Forcedreps screencaps to prove to you there was an obvious difference

I never claimed and to my knowledge NO one else claimed forcedreps was using the sharpening tool  ;) but we all know Bizzy did , so another Hulkster fail STOP trying to use forcedreps response for Bizzy dumbass

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #674 on: April 26, 2010, 05:08:15 PM »