Dorian Yates - overrated!

[NarcissisticDeity]

... and yeah, as long as you guys keep exaggerating Ronnie's calves, then I will do the same for Dorian's arms

Yeah the difference being is you can't post any good shots of Ronnie's calves we can of Dorian's arms 

[JP_RC]

JP, I don't know why you keep posting 99 Ronnie, when its plainly obvious his conditioning was superior in 98.
Hell, Ronnie himself admits that.

I admitted he was a bit drier in 98 before......Would that make his physique in 98 automatically better than 99? Considering that in 99 he was amazingly conditioned too and was a bit bigger/fuller, etc.

I post 99 Ronnie because I think its among his best ever, I think its either 99 or 98.

Either way, it beats Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

 

[NeoSeminole]

Shawn Ray had ' decent ' calves , Ronnie Coleman has NO calves , none what so ever. and they don't just look small they are small

so according to you, Jay has small calves too

and Dorian's arms aren't toothpicks if Dorian's arms are toothpicks than Ronnie's legs are

brah, it doesn't work that way. You can't make a false claim and then after I mock you, say the validity of your claim is conditional on mine being right or wrong. That's not how logic works

This is Dorian at what many consider the best if you think even his arms are lacking then you need a new prescription for your glasses

lmao, is a twisting close-up arm shot suppose to prove? Show me a full body pic of him straight on

[JP_RC]

I was comparing them at their bests  and I did post contest shots as well

Comparing contest pics its a win for Ronnie all the way.......comparing precontest pics it may be closer. And this is just the BDB pose.

[JP_RC]

Care to post some other poses shots of Dorian precontest?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I admitted he was a bit drier in 98 before......Would that make his physique in 98 automatically better than 99? Considering that in 99 he was amazingly conditioned too and was a bit bigger/fuller, etc.

I post 99 Ronnie because I think its among his best ever, I think its either 99 or 98.

Either way, it beats Dorian.

It's not a ' bit drier ' it's noticeably drier so much so in fact it's worth mentioning and yes Ronnie was bigger/fuller than 2001 yet it's considered his prime showing so your point is moot , I've posed this question to Hulkster a million times yet he can never answer , why isn't 1999 considered his best ever entertaining the conditioning aspect as negligible? he would have been at least 10 pounds heavier & fuller , I'll tell you why .....because his conditioning was NOT negligible it was noticeably off , just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not.

[JP_RC]

You don't know the criteria so how can you determine if it's strange or not?

Ronnie 1998 beat Flex by the skin of his teeth , the contest was separated by just 3 points one of the closest in the contest's history. Dorian 1993 blew Flex Wheeler out of the water and Flex looked eons better in 93 than he did in 98 , Ronnie 1998 couldn't beat Dorian not by a long shot

Ronnie 99 a little bigger & softer not as dry , Dorian would beat him this year too , Dorian would be harder & drier while being 260lbs with better balance & proportion & posing this is contest Dorian

You don't know the criteria so how can you determine if it's strange or not?

I think I know enough to and reading your posts claiming Dorian would win because of this criteria makes me think its messed up.

Ronnie 99 a little bigger & softer not as dry , Dorian would beat him this year too , Dorian would be harder & drier while being 260lbs with better balance & proportion & posing this is contest Dorian

Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian, posing is equal and Ronnie has symmetry for him.
I don't know how much drier Dorian would look against a 98-99 Ronnie. Even if he was drier, would it be enough to beat Ronnie? No, not in my eyes.
Just looking and comparing at the pictures and videos makes me think Ronnie would beat Dorian.

[NeoSeminole]

I was comparing contest shots, not pre contest.

this is the only way ND knows he stands a chance. He likes to mix and match different versions of Dorian to build the ultimate Dorian Megazord. This version has the size and fullness of a 6 weeks pre-contest Dorian with the conditioning of a contest Dorian.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Comparing contest pics its a win for Ronnie all the way.......comparing precontest pics it may be closer. And this is just the BDB pose.

LMAO NOT even close , Dorian looks like granite and Ronnie looks like he's guest-posing 

Your fatal mistake in thinking Ronnie can compete at heavier weights is his very ho-hum conditioning , his balance & proportion are in the red zone , there is a very good reason 2001 is considered his best 

[JP_RC]

It's not a ' bit drier ' it's noticeably drier so much so in fact it's worth mentioning and yes Ronnie was bigger/fuller than 2001 yet it's considered his prime showing so your point is moot , I've posed this question to Hulkster a million times yet he can never answer , why isn't 1999 considered his best ever entertaining the conditioning aspect as negligible? he would have been at least 10 pounds heavier & fuller , I'll tell you why .....because his conditioning was NOT negligible it was noticeably off , just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not.

I can only shake my head whenever I read: "99 Ronnie's conditioning was off"

[NarcissisticDeity]

this is the only way ND knows he stands a chance. He likes to mix and match different versions of Dorian to build the ultimate Dorian Megazord. This version has the size and fullness of a 6 weeks pre-contest Dorian with the conditioning of a contest Dorian.

Nah , Dorian 1993 pre-contest in my opinion would destroy ANY version of Ronnie you can throw at him , and so could Dorian precontest 1995 at 283 pounds  but we only have that one pic of him so I really can't base much off of that

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can only shake my head whenever I read: "99 Ronnie's conditioning was off"

keep shaking it's a fact that almost everyone agree with  hell Ronnie said 98 his conditioning was spot-on 3 times now

[JP_RC]

It's not a ' bit drier ' it's noticeably drier so much so in fact it's worth mentioning and yes Ronnie was bigger/fuller than 2001 yet it's considered his prime showing so your point is moot , I've posed this question to Hulkster a million times yet he can never answer , why isn't 1999 considered his best ever entertaining the conditioning aspect as negligible? he would have been at least 10 pounds heavier & fuller , I'll tell you why .....because his conditioning was NOT negligible it was noticeably off , just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not.

I've read a lot of comments of Ronnie's best being 2003, does this mean its his best?
I've read some say 2001 was his best, others say it was 1998 and I've even read some say it was 1999.

I'm going by what I see and I see his best between 98-99.

[NeoSeminole]

Care to post some other poses shots of Dorian precontest?

lol, he would get destroyed if he started posting more pics of Dorian pre-contest

[EL Mariachi]

Yeah the difference being is you can't post any good shots of Ronnie's calves we can of Dorian's arms 

i dont know its cause of the calves, in this shot ronnie looks like a midget

[NarcissisticDeity]

Care to post some other poses shots of Dorian precontest?

You can comprehend how his conditioning can be off from 98-to-99 and you have the balls to post these? his conditioning is really off compared to 98 in these precontest shots and his balance & proportion are as well and the vast difference between Dorian precontest and Ronnie is , Dorian could hold his mass with a greater degree of hardness and dryness while being better balanced

[NeoSeminole]

Nah , Dorian 1993 pre-contest in my opinion would destroy ANY version of Ronnie you can throw at him , and so could Dorian precontest 1995 at 283 pounds but we only have that one pic of him so I really can't base much off of that

hahahaha, riiiiiiiight. Now I've heard it all. Every respectable bodybuilding expert who has seen both says a prime Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time yet ND who has never seen them claims he's right and everyone else is wrong

[FREAKgeek]

Let's critique this "greatest back double of all time".
Pros :
1.) very grainy and dry except lower back region
2.) incredible trapezius thickness, overall back thickness

Cons :
1.) calves dominate upper thighs
2.) cloudy looking spinal erectors (christmas tree not sharp)
3.) teres major/minor/infraspinatus too dominant over lats
4.) deltoids overpower biceps, not much biceps peak
5.) extreme thickness loses fluid aesthetic harmony

[JP_RC]

keep shaking it's a fact that almost everyone agree with  hell Ronnie said 98 his conditioning was spot-on 3 times now

So the fact that he was a bit drier in 98 (which may be the reason why Ronnie said his 98 conditioning was his best) make his 99 conditioning off?
Just look at the pics and its a different story.

Now, did Ronnie say his 98 conditioning was his best or did he say his overall package was his best?

[JP_RC]

lol, he would get destroyed if he started posting more pics of Dorian pre-contest

Exactly.

[NarcissisticDeity]

hahahaha, riiiiiiiight. Now I've heard it all. Every respectable bodybuilding expert who has seen both says a prime Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time yet ND who has never seen them claims he's right and everyone else is wrong

NOT quite true Neo  and you know it

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol, he would get destroyed if he started posting more pics of Dorian pre-contest

Hahahahaha guest posing Ronnie with his collection of parts just thrown together doesn't stand a chance

[JP_RC]

You can comprehend how his conditioning can be off from 98-to-99 and you have the balls to post these? his conditioning is really off compared to 98 in these precontest shots and his balance & proportion are as well and the vast difference between Dorian precontest and Ronnie is , Dorian could hold his mass with a greater degree of hardness and dryness while being better balanced

You were psoting precontest pics, so I did. You keep touting Ronnie's balance & proportion are off compared to Dorian, when Dorian's proportions were not great either.
Ronnie looks dry and hard in these precontest shots (with the exception of his back not being as dry as Dorian's, but it has much other things going for him)
Just look at the legs, delts, arms, etc. and see how hard and dry and "grainy" he looks in those precontest shots.
You're forgetting Dorian's pic is b&w too.

[JP_RC]

Let's critique this "greatest back double of all time".
Pros :
1.) very grainy and dry except lower back region
2.) incredible trapezius thickness, overall back thickness

Cons :
1.) calves dominate upper thighs
2.) cloudy looking spinal erectors (christmas tree not sharp)
3.) teres major/minor/infraspinatus too dominant over lats
4.) deltoids overpower biceps, not much biceps peak
5.) extreme thickness loses fluid aesthetic harmony

Interesting post.