Dorian Yates - overrated!

[Mr.1derful]

If all he had was a back & calves why didn't anyone beat him?  Ronnie wasn't even close to Yates

Politics.  

[JP_RC]

wow that's it  how did he win 6 Sandows? and it should have been real easy for Ronnie to beat him and he always failed , Gee I wonder why 

I hope you were just trying to joke about this.......if not then its the poorest argument I've ever read.

Ronnie was not a bit close to his best physique in these pics you're posting. It was 1996 right? Seriously, compare Ronnie of 1996 with Ronnie of 1998, 1999, 2001 or 2003.

That's like saying Lee Haney is better than Dorian because he beat him in 1991 and Dorian never got to face him at his best, since Lee Haney retired.

[mesmorph78]

Ronnie could be on any of these lists and has been in many bb mags
greatest back
greatest legs
greatest arms
greatest delts
greatest chest
greatest traps
 nuff said
50 greatest arm list in flex no Dorian
50 greatest legs no yates
the only greatest list I've seen Dorian in is greatest back
nuff said good night Work early tommorow

[NarcissisticDeity]

I hope you were just trying to joke about this.......if not then its the poorest argument I've ever read.

Ronnie was not a bit close to his best physique in these pics you're posting. It was 1996 right? Seriously, compare Ronnie of 1996 with Ronnie of 1998, 1999, 2001 or 2003.

That's like saying Lee Haney is better than Dorian because he beat him in 1991 and Dorian never got to face him at his best, since Lee Haney retired.

I was being ironic , he claims all Dorian was is a back and calves and if that were the case why didn't him or anyone else beat him? and you've followed my every word for some time now , you know my argument is much more detail , elaborate and concise than that

Lee WAS better than Dorian and Dorian still beat him in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter compared to a career best Lee Haney .

[Shockwave]

Ronnie could be on any of these lists and has been in many bb mags
greatest back
greatest legs
greatest arms
greatest delts
greatest chest
greatest traps
 nuff said
50 greatest arm list in flex no Dorian
50 greatest legs no yates
the only greatest list I've seen Dorian in is greatest back
nuff said good night Work early tommorow

Lol@flex mag

[Mr.1derful]

I hope you were just trying to joke about this.......if not then its the poorest argument I've ever read.

Ronnie was not a bit close to his best physique in these pics you're posting. It was 1996 right? Seriously, compare Ronnie of 1996 with Ronnie of 1998, 1999, 2001 or 2003.

That's like saying Lee Haney is better than Dorian because he beat him in 1991 and Dorian never got to face him at his best, since Lee Haney retired.

Ronnie was no doubt improved in 1998 vs previous years, but he didn't reinvent himself.  He tightened up his conditioning and looked very good, and every bit a deserving winner, but even then barely squeaked out a win over a less than best Flex Wheeler.  In contrast, Yates obliterated everyone, even while they were in better shape than when Ronnie inevitably faced them as champion.  Ronnie placed a distant 9th to a less than best Yates in 1997.  Precisely what would make one believe that suddenly Ronnie would have leapfrogged Dorian, had Dorian competed in 1998, or subsequent years?  Losing the pre-judging to Jay in 2001?  The close call to Levrone in 2002?  Losing the GNC to Gunter?  Losing the Olympia to Jay in 2006?  His extreme mass and substandard conditioning in 2003?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie could be on any of these lists and has been in many bb mags
greatest back
greatest legs
greatest arms
greatest delts
greatest chest
greatest traps
 nuff said
50 greatest arm list in flex no Dorian
50 greatest legs no yates
the only greatest list I've seen Dorian in is greatest back
nuff said good night Work early tommorow

Legs? quads , hams and CALVES? I think NOT
Arms? Biceps , triceps and FOREARMS? I think NOT
Delts? lmfao says you
Chest? with bitch tits ? I think NOT
Traps? FYI is part of back

Yates was on the best LEGS list , arms NOT and FYI this isn't a part contest it's the whole that matters

Dorian best back , legs , forearms , calves not that it matters

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie was no doubt improved in 1998 vs previous years, but he didn't reinvent himself.  He tightened up his conditioning and looked very good, and every bit a deserving winner, but even then barely squeaked out a win over a less than best Flex Wheeler.  In contrast, Yates obliterated everyone, even while they were in better shape than when Ronnie inevitably faced them as champion.  Ronnie placed a distant 9th to a less than best Yates in 1997.  Precisely what would make one believe that suddenly Ronnie would have leapfrogged Dorian, had Dorian competed in 1998, or subsequent years?  Losing the pre-judging to Jay in 2001?  The close call to Levrone in 2002?  Losing the GNC to Gunter?  Losing the Olympia to Jay in 2006? His extreme mass and substandard conditioning in 2003?

Great post !

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lol@flex mag

Flex mag 

[JP_RC]

I was being ironic , he claims all Dorian was is a back and calves and if that were the case why didn't him or anyone else beat him? and you've followed my every word for some time now , you know my argument is much more detail , elaborate and concise than that

Lee WAS better than Dorian and Dorian still beat him in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter compared to a career best Lee Haney .

I was being ironic , he claims all Dorian was is a back and calves and if that were the case why didn't him or anyone else beat him? and you've followed my every word for some time now , you know my argument is much more detail , elaborate and concise than that

Its true and I do agree that Dorian was more than just back and calves. Still Ronnie would beat him.

Lee WAS better than Dorian

In 1991 he was.

and Dorian still beat him in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter compared to a career best Lee Haney .

I guess this just throws the point of Dorian would beat Ronnie because he was heaviest out of the window.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Its true and I do agree that Dorian was more than just back and calves. Still Ronnie would beat him.

In 1991 he was.

I guess this just throws the point of Dorian would beat Ronnie because he was heaviest out of the window.

Ronnie disagree with you 

1991 he was just barely 

I never claimed Dorian would beat Ronnie just because he's heavier , I said because he was heavier AND harder AND drier AND better balanced AND a more effective poser

[Royal Lion]

Ronnie was no doubt improved in 1998 vs previous years, but he didn't reinvent himself.  He tightened up his conditioning and looked very good, and every bit a deserving winner, but even then barely squeaked out a win over a less than best Flex Wheeler.  In contrast, Yates obliterated everyone, even while they were in better shape than when Ronnie inevitably faced them as champion.  Ronnie placed a distant 9th to a less than best Yates in 1997.  Precisely what would make one believe that suddenly Ronnie would have leapfrogged Dorian, had Dorian competed in 1998, or subsequent years?  Losing the pre-judging to Jay in 2001?  The close call to Levrone in 2002?  Losing the GNC to Gunter?  Losing the Olympia to Jay in 2006?

QFT!  Dorian dominated during bodybuilding's most competetive era.  His greatness kept guys like Flex, Ray, Levrone, Nasser, etc., from ever winning the Mr. O despite being at their all time bests.  While Ronnie had his share of dominating wins, his competition wasn't at the same level as Dorian's.  2001 was a joke (how does one lose the prejudging but not the show?); if KL had shown up with legs in 2002 Ronnie would have lost; Gunter's GNC win over Ronnie was legit (yes 03 Ronnie redeemed himself!); and RC was dethroned in 2006.  If the competition during these shows had been what it was in the early/mid 1990s, Ronnie would have lost at least a couple additional shows.  Doz, on the other hand, wasn't pushed this far -- he never lost a prejudging, let alone an entire show -- and he faced consistently better competition.

[Royal Lion]

I think this version of Flex Wheeler would have won the 98 Mr. O...

[Royal Lion]

...

The last pic is one of my fav FDBs of Doz.

[Shockwave]

...

The last pic is one of my fav FDBs of Doz.

Yeah his arms look really undersized there.
Fucking LOL.

[Hulkster]

yeah I'm still trying to get your point that Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia 

sad that your only retort is something that I said once about 5 years ago when little visuals were available and have said the opposite ever since..

you really do just post the same misinformation over and over again without ever learning to correct yourself. its sad. really sad.

[Royal Lion]

Doz's conditioning was just incredible in 93...

[Hulkster]

Ronnie was not a bit close to his best physique in these pics you're posting. It was 1996 right? Seriously, compare Ronnie of 1996 with Ronnie of 1998, 1999, 2001 or 2003.

but they do cling to that argument.

in their retarded minds, because dorian beat ronnie so easily in the mid 90's when he sucked relative to his mr. O winning days, dorian would easily beat him even at his best form years later.

stupid, isn't it?

oh, and this is how Ronnie 97 compared to Ronnie 99:

quite the difference eh?

[Hulkster]

What's ironic, is that Huckster, in reference to Yates' showing in that contest, asserted that Ronnie would be made to wonder why a Nationals level competitor would be on stage with the pros.  What then, would that make Ronnie, being that he is getting supremely owned there? 

yates looks like a national's competitor compared to a 99 ronnie who is flexing:

realize that most pros beat ronnie in the mid 90's, including dorian.

he sucked relative to his later years.

[Shockwave]

yates looks like a national's competitor compared to a 99 ronnie who is flexing:

realize that most pros beat ronnie in the mid 90's, including dorian.

he sucked relative to his later years.

Whats funny is you can see Yates is naturally wider in that photo, across the clavicles.
Your idea that Ronnie would make him look small is entirely unfounded.

[Mr.1derful]

yates looks like a national's competitor compared to a 99 ronnie who is flexing:

realize that most pros beat ronnie in the mid 90's, including dorian.

he sucked relative to his later years.

Ronnie barely beat a sub-par Wheeler in 1998 to take the crown, so I guess he still sucked a little bit then too, eh?      And that was his best conditioned Olympia win. How about 2001? 2002? 2006?  

[Shockwave]

Yup Hulkster, Ronnie would sure make Dorian look small.
Ronnie was 85% there in this shot, 95% of his 98 and 99 size, hes just lacking conditioning. Dorians in the FUCKING BACK OF THE ROOM and still wider than Ronnie.
Yeah, Ronnie would sure dwarf Dorian.  


And I still don't understand youre hangup on 99.
No judges think 99 is his best.
No Competitors think 99 is his best.
No experts think 99 is his best (Although 99 is one of his favorite showings, but he thinks 01 is a better showing, hahahah <--- more hulkster self ownage, as Mcough is on record saying he doesnt think Ronnie would have been able to beat Dorian 93.)

Yup, looks like youre really on point with 99 being his best showing.   

[Royal Lion]

Jesus, Hulkster  I guarantee that no version or Ronnie would make Dorian look small.

 

[Hulkster]

as Mcough is on record saying he doesnt think Ronnie would have been able to beat Dorian 93.)

as I said..a good friend of dorian and a fellow englishman..

remember what I said about opinions being motivated by other factors while the camera and video tape are not?

now you know.

owned as usual.

[Hulkster]

And I still don't understand youre hangup on 99.

for the same reason's why your guy hero singled out Ronnie 99 as his best Olympia showing, including better than 1998 much to the dismay of nuthuggers everwhere LOL

fact is, the differences between his 2001 AC showing and the 99 O. showing are very minimal.

in 99 he was 10 pounds bigger than his AC showing, with less of a gut.

in 2001 AC he was smaller, a bit harder, with a noticable gut that stuck out everywhere:

which is better is a matter of preference.

bigger, less gut?
or
smaller, more gut, but harder?


but both are significantly better than 1998. as your guy hero McGough agrees.