Dorian Yates - overrated!

[Hulkster]

I strongly disagree. I actually see the opposite, I see Ronnie being slightly bigger/fuller, with equally impressive conditioning, with better proportion and with better symmetry. Not to mention the muscle separations and detail.
I actually see Ronnie's physique as the more complete of the two.

As far as a bunch of impressive bodyparts thrown together, you could say the same about Dorian as neither were known for impressive aesthetics. But Ronnie even has an advantage over Dorian as far as aesthetics is concerned, the shape, taper, small waist, etc.

well said. I agree 100%

[JP_RC]

hahaha! Where are all the competitors, judges and experts that agree with you, oh wait, you have non...

Oh I forgot mcgough, but he already said that Dorian 93 would beat Ronnie, bwahahaha!!! Only guy that agrees with you says Ronnie would lose to him! Bwahahaha! Self ownage hulkster. No to mention mcgough specifically days in that article that his 01 showin is better. Lol

Don't forget its all subjective and "popular opinion"........... 

[Shockwave]

Don't forget its all subjective and "popular opinion"........... 

I know this. You're missing the point, that hulkster has absolutley no esxperts competitors of judges backing his stance of 99 being his best but one article where mcgough mentioned it as a one of the Olympias that stuck out in his head. However, hulkster tries to argue his opinion is concrete fact and uses mcgough to try and corroborate his story; however mcgough says Dorian would beat Ronnie. Not. To mention hulkster constantly has tried to discredit mcgough in the past. It's a hpocrisy thing, hulkster is saying everything from mcgough doesn't content except what he wrote about 99. Lol. 

[Wiggs]

Jesus, Hulkster  I guarantee that no version or Ronnie would make Dorian look small.

 

False....Yates was 272 in 97 and looked like shit.  Ronnie was 287 in 03 and 294 in 04.  He would make Yates look small as he Did Cutler.

[The_Hammer]

False....Yates was 272 in 97 and looked like shit.  Ronnie was 287 in 03 and 294 in 04.  He would make Yates look small as he Did Cutler.

Ronnie has bigger upper legs and biceps. 

Dorian has bigger lower legs and forearms.

Everything else is debatable.

Neither man at their biggest would make the other look small.

[Hulkster]

So let's say the scale is not 100% right because Shawn looks just as wide as Dorian. Does that change how Shawn's arms, delts and chest look in comparison to Dorian? Does it change how Shawn's conditioning is next to Dorian?
Does it change that despite being lighter and shorter, Shawn is beating Dorian in that shot?

I have brought this up many times in the past with the guy idiots.

they see dorian getting killed in the quality department, and deny the quality difference because of the scale, which is stupid.

even if the shots were scaled properly, the quality of dorian's musculature is lacking in many shots compared to guys like peak ronnie and peak shawn..

[Shockwave]

I have brought this up many times in the past with the guy idiots.

they see dorian getting killed in the quality department, and deny the quality difference because of the scale, which is stupid.

even if the shots were scaled properly, the quality of dorian's musculature is lacking in many shots compared to guys like peak ronnie and peak shawn..

that shit thats impressive to look at, isnt criteria. Ronnies genetically super deep separations make him look more conidioned than he really is. Thats why in 99 he is super full, but holding a bit of water from 98 and not as sharp. But thanks to his striations and separations he looks more conditioned than youd think. (Dont get me wrong I know Ronnie is in great condition in 99, but there is a reason no one comes out with 99 as his best showing) This is also why you dont judge BB contests by pics, and everone who knows a damn says you cant judge a show by pics.

[Royal Lion]

I didn't catch that one..........

Honestly we can both post pics of either of them beating the other on a respective pose that year, but I think Shawn had the better and more complete physique in 1994.
But let's keep this thread Ronnie vs Dorian ok?  

Ray was fantastic in 94.  He has always been one of my favorites; in fact, his physique is more appealing (no homo) than both Ronnie's of Dorian's imo, but we all know the IFBB rewards size size size.  As such, 94 Dorian just had too much size with good conditioning (even when Dorian is "off" his condition is great), and therefore won.

This is one of the most impressive MM shots ever imo...

[NarcissisticDeity]

sad that your only retort is something that I said once about 5 years ago when little visuals were available and have said the opposite ever since..

you really do just post the same misinformation over and over again without ever learning to correct yourself. its sad. really sad.

What is sad is A) you fucking claimed it and B) after you said it you took a massive beating for saying it and realized how fucking stupid it was to claim and C) you're reduced to lying again because at the time you said it I personally posted ALL of the pictures from Flex , Muclemag , Ironman , and Muscle & Fitness and oppsss Muscular Development , so you're full of shit not to mention other sources and D) you actually fucking believed it , just like your retarded statement Ronnie had more detailed calves , you have a history of making monumentally retarded statements and then you get your ass kicked for making them you shy way real quick

You looked at all the pics and video and all the overwhelming visual evidence and came to the conclusion Dorian Yates lost the most dominate Mr Olympia win in the history of the contest and then had the same balls to claim after you looked at all the pics and video and all the overwhelming visual evidence and came to the equally dumb statement that Ronnie Coleman in fact DOMINATED the 2001 Mr Olympia , a contest which he lost the entire pre-judging

You look at pics & video and come to the complete and utter opposite of reality like , Ronnie was harder & drier in 99 , 99 was his best , Yates lost in 93 and Ronnie dominated in 01 , you know NOTHING have learned NOTHING and those of us who are in the know sit back and laugh at just how fucking stupid you are.

[NarcissisticDeity]

More with a pic you posted, so don't call "selective":

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, yooouuuuu were amaaaazing. And weeeeee did amaaaaaazing things







here's to 4 yrs of arguing over the same dumb shit, my friend

  Here , here !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Don't forget its all subjective and "popular opinion"........... 

It is subjective and it doesn't make it a fact , and it's quite the contrary it's not a popular opinion Dorian would beat Ronnie

[ShipSekki]

 I can't believe some of you all spend so much time and energy on this Dorian vs. Ronnie thing.

 When I started this thread I thought it would be dead within 1 day! But I opened up the gates of hell with this topic.

[Shockwave]

This is the definition of the judging criteria...
Muscular Bulk, balance and proportion, conditioning... Complete head to toe.

[ShipSekki]

This is the definition of the judging criteria...
Muscular Bulk, balance and proportion, conditioning... Complete head to toe.

 What about his small arms? And his fucked up left arm?

 You didn't see that did you?

 Or his midsection?

 Ronnie wins it!

[James28]

His teardrops are awesome

[James28]

What about his small arms? And his fucked up left arm?

 You didn't see that did you?

 Or his midsection?

 Ronnie wins it!

That's rich. See Ronnie's fat gut? See his left calf missing? See his right calf missing? Scram kiddo. Don't go insulting the greatest and most dominant Mr Olympia of all time that left the most dominant field this sport has ever seen, right in the dust.

[ShipSekki]

That's rich. See Ronnie's fat gut? See his left calf missing? See his right calf missing? Scram kiddo. Don't go insulting the greatest and most dominant Mr Olympia of all time that left the most dominant field this sport has ever seen, right in the dust.

 I agree with you about Ronnie Coleman his gut was ridiculous. I don't really like Ronnie or Dorian and they both have major flaws. But I think Ronnie was better.

 Dorian's small arms were very noticable. His left bicep was a complete mess. his midsection looked almost as bad as Ronnie's. But his calves were better.

 Ronnie wins! End of discussion.....

[Shockwave]

What about his small arms? And his fucked up left arm?

 You didn't see that did you?

 Or his midsection?

 Ronnie wins it!

Sorry, his left arm wasnt fucked up at that point. He didnt tear his bicep until 94.
And youre trying to say his midsection is fucked up at this point shows you know nothing. His waist is tight in 93.  
Ronnies gut was 10x worse, and his abs were way worse. So I dont know where youre getting this shit.
His biceps are his ONLY weakness.

[Shockwave]

I agree with you about Ronnie Coleman his gut was ridiculous. I don't really like Ronnie or Dorian and they both have major flaws. But I think Ronnie was better.

 Dorian's small arms were very noticable. His left bicep was a complete mess. his midsection looked almost as bad as Ronnie's. But his calves were better.

 Ronnie wins! End of discussion.....

Yep, midsection and left arm were really fucked up at this point.... lol.
Dont talk until you know what youre talking about. Better to keep your mouth shut, and let people think your an idiot, than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt.

[James28]

I agree with you about Ronnie Coleman his gut was ridiculous. I don't really like Ronnie or Dorian and they both have major flaws. But I think Ronnie was better.

 Dorian's small arms were very noticable. His left bicep was a complete mess. his midsection looked almost as bad as Ronnie's. But his calves were better.

 Ronnie wins! End of discussion.....

I feel this might be old ground again, but what the hell. In how many poses is Dorian's left bicep visible? And really, if you think arm size is the criteria that measure the true worth of a Mr Olympia, then you don't know the sport. In how many poses is Ronnie's missing calves visible? Oops .  

[ShipSekki]

Sorry, his left arm wasnt fucked up at that point. He didnt tear his bicep until 94.
And youre trying to say his midsection is fucked up at this point shows you know nothing. His waist is tight in 93.  
Ronnies gut was 10x worse, and his abs were way worse. So I dont know where youre getting this shit.
His biceps are his ONLY weakness.

 In 93 he looked pretty good. I agree. But even at that time other guys were at his same level. Yates was a great bodybuilder be he wasn't as spectacular as people hype him up to be.

 But I'm not trying to get into this debate. You all go ahead and rage on.

[James28]

In 93 he looked pretty good. I agree. But even at that time other guys were at his same level. Yates was a great bodybuilder be he wasn't as spectacular as people hype him up to be.

 But I'm not trying to get into this debate. You all go ahead and rage on.

Claiming that anyone was at the same level as Yates in '93 is fucking outrageous if you ask me.

[Royal Lion]

1993 Dorian was the greatest ever! 

[Royal Lion]