I think I have an idea.......
Wait........I thought the "Criteria" is all about judging the physique as a whole, not who has oddly shaped abs. Just as Ronnie's abs are oddly shaped, so are Dorian's quadriceps. So you see both of them have oddly shaped muscle groups, why would Ronnie's abs be more important as a flaw than Dorian's quads? The only thing that matters would be how the whole physique looks on stage, not Ronnie's abs alone.
The judging becomes subjective when its time to compare who has the most complete physique.
And about the calves: sure Ronnie had high calves and that is not subjective since its clearly visible, but so are Dorian's weak biceps. Even pre tear his biceps never looked great on stage, one of them was noticeably different than the other. (symmetry affected)
So at the moment of comparing both physiques, what is going to matter the most? It can become subjective.
What about when two or more guys are closely conditioned or when two guys are great at holding mandatory poses? When comparisons are close it becomes subjective, that is why there are so many different opinions on who had the best physique.
Symmetry is subjective (as you pointed out) and so are balance & proportion. Despite that plenty of the criteria is not subjective, who has the best physique still comes down to opinions.
I think I have an idea.......
I know you don't ....and you have lots of ideas that conflict with reality
Wait........I thought the "Criteria" is all about judging the physique as a whole, not who has oddly shaped abs. Just as Ronnie's abs are oddly shaped, so are Dorian's quadriceps. So you see both of them have oddly shaped muscle groups, why would Ronnie's abs be more important as a flaw than Dorian's quads? The only thing that matters would be how the whole physique looks on stage, not Ronnie's abs alone.
The judging becomes subjective when its time to compare who has the most complete physique.
the parts are judged in accordance with who meets the criteria as a WHOLE , still learning huh? the judging is NOT subjective and you're hyperfocusing on one minute part of the whole package
again either one guy is hold water or he's not , either one guy has high calves or he doesn't , either one guy is short or he's not , either one guy doesn't carry a lot of muscular bulk or he does don't, these things are NOT subjective
And about the calves: sure Ronnie had high calves and that is not subjective since its clearly visible, but so are Dorian's weak biceps. Even pre tear his biceps never looked great on stage, one of them was noticeably different than the other. (symmetry affected)
So at the moment of comparing both physiques, what is going to matter the most? It can become subjective.
NOPE sorry wrong again , Ronnie's calves are much more of a liability than Dorian's biceps and you being the ignorant biased person you are can't look past your own preference , Dorian's biceps ( AT HIS BEST ) were never spectacular but in NO WAY as bad as Coleman's calves , ontop of being high and lacking proportionate size and any development the shape sucks as well , at his best Dorian's biceps lacked a peak but that's about it , and calves my ignorant friend CAN NOT be hidden the judges know this , they are clearly visible in every single pose from every single angel in a hypothetical pose-down in terms of liability Ronnie's calves is a major and glaring flaw even if you're willing to overlook it
What about when two or more guys are closely conditioned or when two guys are great at holding mandatory poses? When comparisons are close it becomes subjective, that is why there are so many different opinions on who had the best physique.
NOPE still lost huh? with all things being equal in this area with assess ALL of the criteria as a whole , get this through your head ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS all of the criteria is assessed as a whole in every single pose
So lets say Shawn Ray has the exact same conditioning as Dorian , how do we pick whose better? lets add the rest of the criteria , does Shawn carry more muscular bulk than Dorian? NO does Shawn have better balance & proportion than Dorian? NO his Shawn harder than Dorian? NO is Shawn a better poser than Dorian? you could say yes however in ANY pose ALL of the criteria is assessed so NO Dorian wins because he simply meets ALL of the criteria better
Symmetry is subjective (as you pointed out) and so are balance & proportion. Despite that plenty of the criteria is not subjective, who has the best physique still comes down to opinions.
symmetry is most certainly NOT subjective if I make the claim that Flex Wheeler has smaller joints , hips and waist than Dorian , this is NOT open for discussion it's a fact , you constantly prove with each post how little you know about how contests are judged and what they look for , you're attempting to bend everything to meet Ronnie's style physique and it's NOT how it's done
and who has the best physique does come down to opinion , opinions of people who know what to look for , how to apply it and who meets it better and your opinion is lacking severely
