Dorian Yates - overrated!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I thought we were using his 1995 physique? His quads were fine on his own and probably vs lots of his competitors back then, but put him next to Ronnie and he would be disadvantaged on them.

no you were using 1995 , I'm using what I feel is the best Dorian ever looked and that's pre-contest 1993 Olympia and for all intents & purposes he's pretty much flawless and complete from head to toe

[JP_RC]

Now you're reduced to lying , I never just based my opinion off of the scorecard , if you're going to claim something make sure it's accurate. I have the 1993/1995/1998/1999/2003 Olympias ALL on video and have watched them ALL numerous times.

My opinion coincides with the experts , as usual yours does NOT and you're claiming I'm bizzaro?  1998 wasn't close and Yates didn't dominate in 1995 Gotcha 


you're in good company with Hulkster he likes to think the opposite of reality & facts almost ALL the time .

Don't you think judges can make mistakes every once in a while?

I wasn't trying to get my way lying or any silly thing like that, I was just assuming you were going by the score cards since the reason you gave for being a close contest in the first place was the 3 points difference.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Don't you think judges can make mistakes every once in a while?

I wasn't trying to get my way lying or any silly thing like that, I was just assuming you were going by the score cards since the reason you gave for being a close contest in the first place was the 3 points difference.

NO I don't think judges make mistakes not even in 2001 when Ronnie beat Jay.

You're like Hulkster you're coming to your own conclusions , I have seen both videos many times and Ronnie in 1998 was harder & drier than 1999 and Flex was very close to Ronnie that year and Ronnie was a deserving winner , hell at the time even Shawn didn't think Ronnie should have won


Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.

[RocketSwitch625]

1991 NOC:

[NarcissisticDeity]

1991 NOC:

sick , sick shot ! and these guys say his quads suck L-O-L

[JP_RC]

we've established that


Ronnie seems to feel even at his best he wouldn't touch Dorian

now you're force to amend your original statement ( a common theme with you ) Dorian's arms can look small when viewed dead-on but in other poses it's clear they're not at his best 1993 his arms are in almost perfect balance with his torso , his balance & proportion is much better than Ronnies

lol, forced to amend my original statement......... You can be a funny guy sometimes ND.

You asked for proof of Dorian's arms looking small in 1995 and I posted two different poses, but then you posted other pics which showed that his arms were good. So I used the video argument that I already thought of before, but I wasn't "forced to amend my original statement".

[JP_RC]

no you were using 1995 , I'm using what I feel is the best Dorian ever looked and that's pre-contest 1993 Olympia and for all intents & purposes he's pretty much flawless and complete from head to toe

True, unfortunately he never looked like this on stage.

It wasn't only me using since I asked you what you felt was Dorian's best physique on stage and you said 93 or 95. Then you said McGough feels 95 was his best, so I assumed you were saying it was. (since you seem to agree with experts all the time)

[JP_RC]

NO I don't think judges make mistakes not even in 2001 when Ronnie beat Jay.

You're like Hulkster you're coming to your own conclusions , I have seen both videos many times and Ronnie in 1998 was harder & drier than 1999 and Flex was very close to Ronnie that year and Ronnie was a deserving winner , hell at the time even Shawn didn't think Ronnie should have won


Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.

NO I don't think judges make mistakes not even in 2001 when Ronnie beat Jay.

You're like Hulkster you're coming to your own conclusions , I have seen both videos many times and Ronnie in 1998 was harder & drier than 1999 and Flex was very close to Ronnie that year and Ronnie was a deserving winner , hell at the time even Shawn didn't think Ronnie should have won

If you don't think judges ever make mistakes, then you very alone on this topic.

I've already said I agree that Ronnie was harder & drier in 98.

Now you're using a quote from a bodybuilder that says Ronnie shouldn't have won, but when I posted quotes from other bodybuilders saying Ronnie was the best you said its hilarious since bodybuilders know so little.................. ...

Ronnie Coleman was the most improved bodybuilder , and they should have an award for that but it SHOULDN'T be the overall title. Ronnie Coleman won the Mr Olympia for making the most improvement.

Ronnie does NOT have the complete physique. He has a certain degree of shape and detail but , let's be honest , he has a lot of weaknesses : calves , hamstrings , midsection. He has flaws on his physique that you just can't find on my physique or Flex Wheeler's physique.

Did they even count the posing routine? Ronnie Coleman is never going to be remembered for a posing routine.

So now you're agreeing with Shawn Ray on what he said about Ronnie having weaker calves and hamstrings than Flex? 

How about the fact that neither Shawn nor Flex were as conditioned and muscular as Ronnie?

[JP_RC]

sick , sick shot ! and these guys say his quads suck L-O-L

Well, since you say Ronnie's abs are a flaw because of their odd shape, Dorian's quads should also have a flaw since they have an odd shape too...............

If you can't see this ND, then I don't know why you're so confident mocking Hulkster all the time.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol, forced to amend my original statement......... You can be a funny guy sometimes ND.

You asked for proof of Dorian's arms looking small in 1995 and I posted two different poses, but then you posted other pics which showed that his arms were good. So I used the video argument that I already thought of before, but I wasn't "forced to amend my original statement".

not about that , about me only using the scorecard

[RocketSwitch625]

1993 Mr. Olympia:

[JP_RC]

not about that , about me only using the scorecard

You replied to this:

Good pics of Dorian there, I always thought he had the best side triceps pose ever.


I not only based my opinion on Dorian's arms looking unproportionate to his torso, but I also based it on the videos I was from the 95 Olympia.
Its something you can't get 100% accurate on pics, but the videos I show his arms are a bit small to match his back/torso in different poses (of course others than the ones you posted here).
I also got the impression of his quads looking a bit narrow in front poses from the videos.

Are you just playing around here?

[JP_RC]

1993 Mr. Olympia:

Great shot of Dorian. Here is a great shot of Ronnie too:
This is how close the 98 Olympia was. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

If you don't think judges ever make mistakes, then you very alone on this topic.

I've already said I agree that Ronnie was harder & drier in 98.

Now you're using a quote from a bodybuilder that says Ronnie shouldn't have won, but when I posted quotes from other bodybuilders saying Ronnie was the best you said its hilarious since bodybuilders know so little.................. ...


So now you're agreeing with Shawn Ray what he said about Ronnie having weaker calves and hamstrings than Flex? 

How about the fact that neither Shawn nor Flex were as conditioned and muscular as Ronnie?

If you don't think judges ever make mistakes, then you very alone on this topic.

and therefore wrong because I'm ' alone ' the old argument ad populum , if a lot of people agree that means they're right  not how it works

I've already said I agree that Ronnie was harder & drier in 98.

since when? and if so good for you

Now you're using a quote from a bodybuilder that says Ronnie shouldn't have won, but when I posted quotes from other bodybuilders saying Ronnie was the best you said its hilarious since bodybuilders know so little.................. ...

The difference is I'm not trying to pass this off as proof , just an example of someone saying it was a lot closer than what you claim

So now you're agreeing with Shawn Ray what he said about Ronnie having weaker calves and hamstrings than Flex? 

How about the fact that neither Shawn nor Flex were as conditioned and muscular as Ronnie?

I don't even agree with Shawn that Ronnie should have lost but strongly agree he doesn't have a complete physique

[RocketSwitch625]

Small arms indeed

1993 pre contest:

[JP_RC]

Small arms indeed

1993 pre contest:

lol, I was talking about 1995.
Read before you post. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Great shot of Dorian. Here is a great shot of Ronnie too:
This is how close the 98 Olympia was. 

He clearly loses that shot due to the bitch-tits

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol, I was talking about 1995.
Read before you post. 

1995

[NarcissisticDeity]

Small arms indeed

1993 pre contest:

perfect shot

[musclepost]

I'm an equal opportunity schmoe, I'll jerk off to Yates OR Ronnie!

Great thread would read again!

[JP_RC]

and therefore wrong because I'm ' alone ' the old argument ad populum , if a lot of people agree that means they're right  not how it works


since when? and if so good for you

The difference is I'm not trying to pass this off as proof , just an example of someone saying it was a lot closer than what you claim

I don't even agree with Shawn that Ronnie should have lost but strongly agree he doesn't have a complete physique

and therefore wrong because I'm ' alone ' the old argument ad populum , if a lot of people agree that means they're right  not how it works

You could be wrong, people think differently you know its a subjective sport.
And I didn't try to amend my original statement. 

since when? and if so good for you

A long time ago.
Thanks, I always love having your approval...........

The difference is I'm not trying to pass this off as proof , just an example of someone saying it was a lot closer than what you claim

lol, this resembles one of my post responses to you in the past..................

[JP_RC]

He clearly loses that shot due to the bitch-tits

Sure...............keep confidently mocking Hulkster after this.    

[NarcissisticDeity]

You could be wrong, people think differently you know its a subjective sport.
And I didn't try to amend my original statement. 

A long time ago.
Thanks, I always love having your approval...........

lol, this resembles one of my post responses to you in the past..................

You could be wrong, people think differently you know its a subjective sport.
And I didn't try to amend my original statement. 

I very well could be wrong but probably not  so you still feel I only base my opinion of the scorecard?

A long time ago.
Thanks, I always love having your approval...........

I don't think so because recently you claimed he was just as dry in 99 as 98 and you're not the only one who is seeking my approval

lol, this resembles one of my post responses to you in the past.................

says you

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sure...............keep confidently mocking Hulkster after this.    

You think that doesn't affect the pose? another glaring flaw you're willing to overlook? notice the gut too 

NO place in bodybuilding for female breasts on the best built man

[NarcissisticDeity]

more bitch-tits