Author Topic: Chris Benoit (open discussion): (Read 12496 times)

Nirvana · « **on:** April 18, 2010, 05:51:27 PM »

Nobody seemed to care when he died because it was suicide/murder, but I think it was a tragic loss.

what's your opinions

Hulkster · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2010, 05:59:23 PM »

the whole thing was a tragedy, as the sport lost one of its great entertainers.

however, given that he murdered his wife and child, he deserved what he did to himself.

the whole situation sucks.

Montague · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2010, 06:01:26 PM »

I have always / and continue to maintain that Benoit was – and always will be – one of the top workers ever!
Many of my favorite matches are Chris Benoit matches.

I think it is a tragedy what happened.
It doesn’t diminish his accomplishments as a great performer.
Nothing can change history.

But, I also believe that he should burn in Hell for an eternity for killing that little boy.

Montague · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2010, 06:08:35 PM »

Montague · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2010, 06:09:29 PM »

Nirvana · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2010, 06:18:40 PM »

those flying headbutts literally made him crazy

what I really hate is how everyone hated Eddie (he was heel) until he "died" which I still am sketchy about

Montague · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2010, 07:25:36 PM »

Quote from: Nirvana on April 18, 2010, 06:18:40 PM

those flying headbutts literally made him crazy

what I really hate is how everyone hated Eddie (he was heel) until he "died" which I still am sketchy about

What are you sketchy about?

Hulkster · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2010, 07:48:03 PM »

it could all be a work.

Montague · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2010, 07:58:41 PM »

If that's the case, I hope Eddie didn't hire the same people that were supposed to hide Perry Saturn!

Playboy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2010, 12:25:54 PM »

Nothing to discuss. He destroyed his entire reputation as a skilled performer when he decided to murder his wife, himself and his kid..concussion / head trama / brain trama or not. Because of him is the reason why have the stale PG product and witchunt on underbelling factors in pro wrestling.

Nirvana · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2010, 12:31:58 PM »

Quote from: Montague on April 18, 2010, 07:25:36 PM

What are you sketchy about?

his death seemed way too planned out, he suddenly turns face then dies, I always thought it was fishy as most his career was spent heel

Hulkster · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2010, 07:42:16 PM »

maybe the triple murder/suicide was part of the storyline.

Vince has us all fooled.

Montague · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2010, 08:37:31 PM »

I wonder how many people thought that Owen’s accident was a work.

Hulkster · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2010, 08:42:55 PM »

Quote from: Montague on April 20, 2010, 08:37:31 PM

I wonder how many people thought that Owen’s accident was a work.

from what I heard, intially many people did.

they thought it was a dummy owen that was dropped.

they realized pretty quickly though from all the news coverage that it was in fact, the real owen.

Playboy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2010, 04:02:46 AM »

Benoit and his wife already had a serious history of physical/verbal abuse. So its no surprise that this was a result of a very disturbed family.

Montague · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2010, 06:16:52 AM »

WWE had to do something.
They couldn’t ignore it, but the timing sucked.
Being that an entire family died under mysterious circumstances, they should have waited for the facts before making an announcement.

A simple acknowledgement of the accident with condolences to the family would have sufficed.
But, like Timmy says, the way they hurriedly glorified the man made them look increasingly stupid as more information became rapidly available – just hours after the gruesome discovery.

That being said, it sounded as if a lot of the WWE staff was close with Benoit.
Regardless of the circumstances of his death, it probably would have been difficult to carry out a live TV production that night.
But, the show had already been cancelled.
Air some footage from WWE/24-7 or something.

When Hennig & Davey died, they aired a simple, 2-minute tribute clip at the beginning of the show.
Even that wouldn’t have been as bad as what they did with Benoit.
Coincidentally, WWE hasn’t aired any kind of tributes or made much of an acknowledgement of the last several wrestlers to pass away – Rikishi, Test, etc.

Nirvana · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2010, 01:53:01 PM »

Quote from: Montague on April 21, 2010, 06:16:52 AM

WWE had to do something.
They couldn’t ignore it, but the timing sucked.
Being that an entire family died under mysterious circumstances, they should have waited for the facts before making an announcement.

A simple acknowledgement of the accident with condolences to the family would have sufficed.
But, like Timmy says, the way they hurriedly glorified the man made them look increasingly stupid as more information became rapidly available – just hours after the gruesome discovery.

That being said, it sounded as if a lot of the WWE staff was close with Benoit.
Regardless of the circumstances of his death, it probably would have been difficult to carry out a live TV production that night.
But, the show had already been cancelled.
Air some footage from WWE/24-7 or something.

When Hennig & Davey died, they aired a simple, 2-minute tribute clip at the beginning of the show.
Even that wouldn’t have been as bad as what they did with Benoit.
Coincidentally, WWE hasn’t aired any kind of tributes or made much of an acknowledgement of the last several wrestlers to pass away – Rikishi, Test, etc.

Damn, I've been living in a closet too long (all hetero) I didn't know those two had died

Playboy · « **Reply #17 on:** April 22, 2010, 05:00:08 AM »

Quote from: Montague on April 21, 2010, 06:16:52 AM

WWE had to do something.
They couldn’t ignore it, but the timing sucked.
Being that an entire family died under mysterious circumstances, they should have waited for the facts before making an announcement.

A simple acknowledgement of the accident with condolences to the family would have sufficed.
But, like Timmy says, the way they hurriedly glorified the man made them look increasingly stupid as more information became rapidly available – just hours after the gruesome discovery.

That being said, it sounded as if a lot of the WWE staff was close with Benoit.
Regardless of the circumstances of his death, it probably would have been difficult to carry out a live TV production that night.
But, the show had already been cancelled.
Air some footage from WWE/24-7 or something.

When Hennig & Davey died, they aired a simple, 2-minute tribute clip at the beginning of the show.
Even that wouldn’t have been as bad as what they did with Benoit.
Coincidentally, WWE hasn’t aired any kind of tributes or made much of an acknowledgement of the last several wrestlers to pass away – Rikishi, Test, etc.

Problem there is Benoit murdered his family. He didn't just die like Henning & Smith. So for WWE to do a 2 minute tribute would have been silly. They shouldn't have done anything at all.

Montague · « **Reply #18 on:** April 22, 2010, 10:44:52 AM »

Absolutely.
I meant in reference to producing the tribute before knowing the circumstances.

Nirvana · « **Reply #19 on:** April 22, 2010, 05:03:36 PM »

Lot's of people plead insanity in murder cases and get off scot free

I don't think benoit should be condemned, he was literally out of his mind

Montague · « **Reply #20 on:** April 22, 2010, 06:37:29 PM »

I suspect that certain actions – such as placing bibles by the bodies and administering a pain relief agent to his son prior to suffocating him – indicate that Chris did have some sound cognition.

The bibles, the ensuing text messages, etc., all point to guilt & remorse.
A person only feels those emotions when they know and accept that what they did was wrong.
The drugs he gave the boy also suggest premeditation.

There’s a lot that nobody will ever know about what happened that night.
Based on what we do know, I cannot – in any way – condone or justify his actions.

Montague · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2010, 05:31:47 AM »

I wonder if Hennig had been with the company at the time of his death, if they’d have given him a more meaty tribute.
By that time, Curt had already been gone from the Fed for a few years – same with Smith.

Benoit was on the cusp of another main even title run.

I still maintain that – until the facts surfaced - Vince should have made a simple acknowledgement of the tragedy & offered condolences.

The way they rushed into it and presented Benoit as if he deserved to have his head carved into Mt. Rushmore, made the old man look like a fool & and it was all the harder for him to eat those words (and actions) the next night.

Playboy · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2010, 06:04:47 AM »

Quote from: cheftim on April 22, 2010, 08:55:41 PM

Perfect got ripped off. He's one of the Federations greatest performers and all he got was that quick tribute. I remember watching that and being so disapointed. Mr. P was a huge part of Federation history. All the top guys always say he was the best performer they ever worked with. He's Mr. Perfect. Benoit had nothing on him. But Benoit had an entire show dedicated to him.

I was in MSG when Bret Beat Perfect. I'll never get over it.

And benoit is a murderer. Perfect should have definately gotten a much better send off. I blame Vince for this because Vince is a suck. He was probably pissed because Perfect took a better deal (Much more $$$) to work for WCW back in the day.

Montague · « **Reply #23 on:** April 24, 2010, 03:30:16 PM »

Quote from: cheftim on April 22, 2010, 08:55:41 PM

I was in MSG when Bret Beat Perfect. I'll never get over it.

Curt’s back was messed up, and he was in a lot of pain during that entire match.
Everybody (including Bret) always goes on about how Curt did Bret a favor by putting him over in that condition.

Hey…
Don’t forget that Curt did VINCE a huge favor, too.
What’s good for the company is good for Vince.
Winning the belt from Hennig meant a hell of a lot more than winning it from someone like “The Mountie.”

That was a HUGE push for Bret, who would soon go on to be Vince’s number one guy for the next several years.
Bret carried a great deal of the company’s weight on his shoulders, and guys like Davey, Shawn, & Curt groomed him for that role – because without them, the full potential of Bret’s true talent may not have shone.

A “Bret vs. Virgil” program just wouldn't have solidified the Hitman’s ethos the same way.

Sorry, Virg…
You dick.

Playboy · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2010, 04:40:50 AM »

Quote from: Montague on April 24, 2010, 03:30:16 PM

Curt’s back was messed up, and he was in a lot of pain during that entire match.
Everybody (including Bret) always goes on about how Curt did Bret a favor by putting him over in that condition.

Hey…
Don’t forget that Curt did VINCE a huge favor, too.
What’s good for the company is good for Vince.
Winning the belt from Hennig meant a hell of a lot more than winning it from someone like “The Mountie.”

That was a HUGE push for Bret, who would soon go on to be Vince’s number one guy for the next several years.
Bret carried a great deal of the company’s weight on his shoulders, and guys like Davey, Shawn, & Curt groomed him for that role – because without them, the full potential of Bret’s true talent may not have shone.

A “Bret vs. Virgil” program just wouldn't have solidified the Hitman’s ethos the same way.

Sorry, Virg…
You dick.

I vote for a Montogue the Machine vs Virgil last man standing match