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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2010, 11:35:38 AM »

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With Single Payer, Universal Healthcare, the option to buy Private Insurance would still be available, if you are dumb enough to still want it or think that you will get something for your money (which you probably won`t).
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2010, 12:12:08 PM »

I don`t believe in god and I also don`t believe in human suffering, especially when it is unnecessary and completely avoidable.

avoidable? The tumor is inoperable & meds won't work. How is that avoidable???
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2010, 12:25:19 PM »

avoidable? The tumor is inoperable & meds won't work. How is that avoidable???
As stated he cannot pay for the treatment and a lot of it is not covered therefore he may not receive it.  Also, the burden will then fall to his family to pay out of pocket which they obviously cannot do, thus the cycle of medical bankruptcy continues.  A man at the end of his life and his family should not have to suffer more physically and mentally unnecessarily, especially when all of the above is remedied with a sensible Healthcare system.

His situation obviously is troubling for him and those around him if he is reduced to begging for Healthcare.
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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2010, 12:27:04 PM »

TA, the letter refers to Dennis as a "prophet"? 

Also, I'll use your words:  "It wasn't like he was going to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony".
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2010, 12:31:33 PM »

If he isn't going to compose Beethoven's ninth then I just don't care.
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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2010, 12:34:36 PM »

TA, the letter refers to Dennis as a "prophet"?  

Also, I'll use your words:  "It wasn't like he was going to write Beethoven's Ninth Symphony".
Thats only reserved for after his life is over and don`t you worry my friend, I plan to use that very same epitaph once that happens.

I agree that Mr. Tinerino is highly deluded and probably is very ignorant but I think if someone were willing to spend time with him, showing him facts and evidence, he may not persist in such juvenile thought and antics.  He probably has never been challenged on his nonsense before.

I also think once he realizes that Science is the only thing that can save or prolong his life, he will be more likely to drop the fairy tale, worthless wishful thinking.  Although I could be wishful thinking that he would have such a rational epiphany.  Undecided  Either way, I`d rather him live as long as he can or at least with the least amount of suffering possible.
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2010, 12:36:03 PM »

DENNIS TINERINO: A Victim of America`s Crappy For Profit HEALTHCARE system.

You mean the US system that producers virtually all of the medical technology and advancement that "free" health care systems all over the world leech off?  Oh right, that system.  Roll Eyes

Hey TA, they had free health care in the USSR too, how did that one work out again?  Roll Eyes

Free health care in Canada is great!

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Leaked+plan+proposes+cuts+surgeries+across+Metro+Vancouver/1878506/story.html
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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2010, 12:36:25 PM »

Thats only reserved for after his life is over and don`t you worry my friend, I plan to use that very same epitaph once that happens.

I agree that Mr. Tinerino is highly deluded and probably is very ignorant but I think if someone were willing to spend time with him, showing him facts and evidence, he may not persist in such juvenile thought and antics.  He probably has never been challenged on his nonsense before.

I also think once he realize that Science is the only thing that can save or prolong his life, he will be more likely to drop the fairy tale, worthless wishful thinking.  Although I could be wishful thinking that he would have such an epiphany.  Either way, I`d rather him live as long as he can or at least with the least amount of suffering possible.
How old is he? Maybe I missed it.
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2010, 12:38:36 PM »

You mean the US system that producers virtually all of the medical technology and advancement that "free" health care systems all over the world leech off?  Oh right, that system.  Roll Eyes

Hey TA, they had free health care in the USSR too, how did that one work out again?  Roll Eyes

Free health care in Canada is great!

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Leaked+plan+proposes+cuts+surgeries+across+Metro+Vancouver/1878506/story.html
The NIH, National Institute of Health, in the United States is responsible for most of our medical technological breakthroughs.  You don`t know anything when it comes to the United States and I doubt you ever will.  Hope this helps, my highly deluded, antisemitic irrational friend.
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2010, 01:01:13 PM »

The True Adonis is absolutely typical of the Jews in 1917 who at 3% of the population were 50% of the communist revolution.  How did that one turn out again TA?  Roll Eyes  Wasn't it great that everyone had "equality"?  Wasn't it great that everyone was equally poor?  Equally starving?  Equally with bad medical care?  Equally shot in the back of the head by Jewish Bolsheviks if they dared to say anything against the state?

Equality isn't hard to achieve TA - take away everything everyone has and everyone will be equal - equally poor.  Do you understand that the technology produced below was only produced to begin with as a result of the capitalist financial incentives in place by the companies which produced them?  As for "free health care", Dennis gets plenty of free health care - in fact, he an army field medic today has the same quality of medical equipment as the best doctors and hospitals in 1800.  What happens in Canada if I need one of the 300 surgeries that were recently cut?  I also don't get care.  Some good it does to get "free" health care when you can't even get it because of socialist rationing.

And why do you want the government to give you things for free?  Get a job and support yourself for fuck's sake.  What are you, a baby or a small child?

While his health insurance covers some of the expenses, many of the doctorsí visits, x-rays, procedures, and prescriptions are not covered. As his friend, I would like to ask you to consider helping him in two ways:

First, would you have your intercessory prayer ministry begin to uphold Dennis at this time for his complete recover? I know Dennis and Anita would be grateful for your partnership in this capacity.

Second, would it be possible for you or your church to assist Dennis with these ongoing expenses? Should you want to help with a love offering, Dennis and Anita would be most grateful.


Thanks again for your friendship and partnership in ministry.

In His love,

Pastor Graham Cathers
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2010, 01:07:27 PM »

The True Adonis is absolutely typical of the Jews in 1917 who at 3% of the population were 50% of the communist revolution.  How did that one turn out again TA?  Roll Eyes  Wasn't it great that everyone had "equality"?  Wasn't it great that everyone was equally poor?  Equally starving?  Equally with bad medical care?  Equally shot in the back of the head by Jewish Bolsheviks if they dared to say anything against the state?
LOL. What does this diatribe even mean, Matt!? He's a contemporary of Bolshevik Jews? I think your rhetoric is getting ahead of your righteousness. Should have just lobbed a few epithets and be done with it. That's the Getbig way.   Grin
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2010, 01:13:04 PM »

The True Adonis is absolutely typical of the Jews in 1917 who at 3% of the population were 50% of the communist revolution.  How did that one turn out again TA?  Roll Eyes  Wasn't it great that everyone had "equality"?  Wasn't it great that everyone was equally poor?  Equally starving?  Equally with bad medical care?  Equally shot in the back of the head by Jewish Bolsheviks if they dared to say anything against the state?

Equality isn't hard to achieve TA - take away everything everyone has and everyone will be equal - equally poor.  Do you understand that the technology produced below was only produced to begin with as a result of the capitalist financial incentives in place by the companies which produced them?  As for "free health care", Dennis gets plenty of free health care - in fact, he an army field medic today has the same quality of medical equipment as the best doctors and hospitals in 1800.  What happens in Canada if I need one of the 300 surgeries that were recently cut?  I also don't get care.  Some good it does to get "free" health care when you can't even get it because of socialist rationing.

And why do you want the government to give you things for free?  Get a job and support yourself for fuck's sake.  What are you, a baby or a small child?

Did you even bother to read the article you posted?  Obviously not because it states that nothing is cut, but may, keyword being may, be cut from your system.  It hasn`t happened yet.  

Regardless, the Canadian Health system is better than our system despite your pointless pontifications.

As for your rant on capitalism, the system has been historically hardly an open "free market" for all, (women, all minorities other than white males predominantly Christian) and it has not produced the majority of medical technological advances.

The National Institute of Health, which is publicly funded has.  Look it up.  Something tells me you are too lazy or not capable of comprehending what you will find.
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »

LOL. What does this diatribe even mean, Matt!? He's a contemporary of Bolshevik Jews? I think your rhetoric is getting ahead of your righteousness. Should have just lobbed a few epithets and be done with it. That's the Getbig way.   Grin
Red October comes to mind.
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2010, 01:17:07 PM »

The profit motive for Private Pharmaceutical companies lies not in curing disease, but in treating symptoms.

Do you know where the majority of vaccines have come from and how they were funded?  
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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2010, 01:21:13 PM »

LOL. What does this diatribe even mean, Matt!? He's a contemporary of Bolshevik Jews? I think your rhetoric is getting ahead of your righteousness. Should have just lobbed a few epithets and be done with it. That's the Getbig way.   Grin

I honestly think there is some genetic component that makes Jews so predominantly to the left:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034574.html

Read this silliness:

What is the point of posting this? I DO NOT Support A Profit Based Health Insurance system which is what Obama`s plan is.  Its no different than what you had last year, 20 years etc...Its just a tiny, tiny, bit better but it still keeps the Health Insurance companies at the forefront which means the profit motive is intact as they rack up by continually not covering care.


I do not support Obama`s plan. I support Universal Nationalized Single Payer Healthcare open to all.

LOL...yes just take away the incentive firms have to produce medical technology and hope they will be just as productive.  How naive must a person be to believe such a thing?  Huh  Does TA honestly believe that profit creates no incentive whatsoever for firms to produce the goods they do?  It's shocking to me.

This is equally hilarious:

Completely the opposite.  The Health Insurance companies now have 30 million more potential customers and they can still refuse to cover procedures and can also charge high costs if they want.

I even pointed out to TA that in Canada there are hundreds of procedures which are not covered.  How is that any different than insurance companies refusing people care?  Furthermore, insurance companies refuse under 3% of people.  In Canada, everyone is refused for the hundreds of surgeries which are considered "elective".  What's the difference?  It's not surprising to me that a Marxist would not grasp this though.

Ahh, now this amusing bit:

Obama`s plan is the same Plan Republicans favored in 1993 and is a Corporatist wet dream.  

 Roll Eyes

TA doesn't grasp the fact that what capitalists want the most is centralized power - a system created by socialism.  That's what is hilarious; TA claims to be against profits yet socializing the health care system creates a monopoly structure which allows the firms which provide the health care to be the sole beneficiary of such profits.
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2010, 01:23:43 PM »

Yes, because if you embrace Capitalism, you too could own a car like MATT C.

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Something tells me that being unmarried and with a child, you may be receiving some sort of government benefits from Canada. hmmmm


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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2010, 01:26:05 PM »

I honestly think there is some genetic component that makes Jews so predominantly to the left:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034574.html

Read this silliness:

LOL...yes just take away the incentive firms have to produce medical technology and hope they will be just as productive.  How naive must a person be to believe such a thing?  Huh  Does TA honestly believe that profit creates no incentive whatsoever for firms to produce the goods they do?  It's shocking to me.

This is equally hilarious:

I even pointed out to TA that in Canada there are hundreds of procedures which are not covered.  How is that any different than insurance companies refusing people care?  Furthermore, insurance companies refuse under 3% of people.  In Canada, everyone is refused for the hundreds of surgeries which are considered "elective".  What's the difference?  It's not surprising to me that a Marxist would not grasp this though.

Ahh, now this amusing bit:

 Roll Eyes

TA doesn't grasp the fact that what capitalists want the most is centralized power - a system created by socialism.  That's what is hilarious; TA claims to be against profits yet socializing the health care system creates a monopoly structure which allows the firms which provide the health care to be the sole beneficiary of such profits.
James Watson claims Jews and direct Jewish ancestry are the most intelligent of all humans.  Do you agree with James Watson because you seem to support his position on Africans being the least intelligent.  Just curious.
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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2010, 01:32:45 PM »

 Either way, I`d rather him live as long as he can or at least with the least amount of suffering possible.

how much are you donating adonis?
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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2010, 01:39:12 PM »

I honestly think there is some genetic component that makes Jews so predominantly to the left:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1034574.html

Read this silliness:

LOL...yes just take away the incentive firms have to produce medical technology and hope they will be just as productive.  How naive must a person be to believe such a thing?  Huh  Does TA honestly believe that profit creates no incentive whatsoever for firms to produce the goods they do?  It's shocking to me.

This is equally hilarious:

I even pointed out to TA that in Canada there are hundreds of procedures which are not covered.  How is that any different than insurance companies refusing people care?  Furthermore, insurance companies refuse under 3% of people.  In Canada, everyone is refused for the hundreds of surgeries which are considered "elective".  What's the difference?  It's not surprising to me that a Marxist would not grasp this though.

Ahh, now this amusing bit:

 Roll Eyes

TA doesn't grasp the fact that what capitalists want the most is centralized power - a system created by socialism.  That's what is hilarious; TA claims to be against profits yet socializing the health care system creates a monopoly structure which allows the firms which provide the health care to be the sole beneficiary of such profits.
1. With Universal Coverage, this does not take away any incentive for companies to produce medical technology.  In fact the total opposite would occur given the fact that everyone would have access to paid Healthcare which provides the need for more and certainly better equipment.  Again, the NIH is responsible for the majority of medical "breakthroughs" and what we deem as cures.  Look it up.

2. I used to work for United Health Care, one of the largest Healthcare companies and know for a fact your 3 percent figure is something you just pulled out of your asshole when it comes to care denial.  In America, if you don`t have Health Insurance NOTHING is covered. Nothing,  At least in Canada, that is not the case.  You are not even covered for the most basic of medical care in the United States if you don`t have the means (average cost for a family being around 13,375 dollars a year).  I don`t know your financial situation, but as your live journal from a few years ago indicated, there would be no way IN HELL that you could afford anything.  You were poor and dead broke and this was just a short time ago.  I doubt you won the lottery or fell into some money since.

3. Socialism can exist alongside and with Capitalism as it does in many countries so your all or nothing assessment is meaningless.  And here you are claiming that Nationalizing the healthcare system will create a profit monopoly to the corporations looking to produce medical technology when just a few sentences you claimed the opposite would be true.  

It sounds as if you are the clueless one.
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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2010, 01:41:02 PM »

Yes, Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent of any ethnic group.  That explains why they brilliantly subverted Gentiles in Russia by devising such a brilliant scheme as communism which people bought into because Jews were so good at spinning memes.  It takes a high IQ for a group of people at 3% of the population to almost overthrow a much larger population.  Jews are geniuses [as a group].

Yes, because if you embrace Capitalism, you too could own a car like MATT C.

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Something tells me that being unmarried and with a child, you may be receiving some sort of government benefits from Canada. hmmmm

I actually have two children now.  Matt C. Jr. was born on March 21st.  Grin

TA - why would you bash my former car?  Isn't that rather classist?  This coming from a socialist who would at other times denounce the class structure.  This is what I find so hilarious about contradictory socialists.  They want all the wealth and status associated with capitalism - failing to do that on their own they use the government as an agent of force to redistribute the wealth of others for their benefit.

What do you suppose my website is worth TA?  I put 10,000 hours into it.  I am in the top 20 of partners for bodybuilding.com.  I can't see it being worth any less than $100,000 to be honest.  Not to mention I have at least as much in other assets - and that is being conservative.

Let's pretend I'm worth a quarter of a million dollars at age 28.  Is that really so pathetic?  Well maybe for getbig it is.  Grin  I'll be pleased when I earn my first million.  Smiley

But I still live far below my means.  I drive an economy car!  A Hyundai Elantra.  I also spend very little on myself beyond the necessities.  I assure you that when I finally do hit a million, I will still be living the exact same way.

If you want a system that produces the most wealth - embrace capitalism.  That care cost me $800!  $800 and I got a car which would have cost as much as a house in 1920.  That's the point - capitalism produces wealth for everyone.  Instead you want a system which stalls progress by taking away the incentive that makes these firms produce to begin with.

If you want free health care I'll send you a first aid kit for free.  I want the BEST health care and I am willing to pay for it.
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« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2010, 01:41:06 PM »

First let me say, WELCOME BACK TRUE ADONIS!



I think this all comes down to whether or not you consider health care a right or a privilege.



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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2010, 01:45:09 PM »

Yes, Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent of any ethnic group.  That explains why they brilliantly subverted Gentiles in Russia by devising such a brilliant scheme as communism which people bought into because Jews were so good at spinning memes.  It takes a high IQ for a group of people at 3% of the population to almost overthrow a much larger population.  Jews are geniuses [as a group].

I actually have two children now.  Matt C. Jr. was born on March 21st.  Grin

TA - why would you bash my former car?  Isn't that rather classist?  This coming from a socialist who would at other times denounce the class structure.  This is what I find so hilarious about contradictory socialists.  They want all the wealth and status associated with capitalism - failing to do that on their own they use the government as an agent of force to redistribute the wealth of others for their benefit.

What do you suppose my website is worth TA?  I put 10,000 hours into it.  I am in the top 20 of partners for bodybuilding.com.  I can't see it being worth any less than $100,000 to be honest.  Not to mention I have at least as much in other assets - and that is being conservative.

Let's pretend I'm worth a quarter of a million dollars at age 28.  Is that really so pathetic?  Well maybe for getbig it is.  Grin  I'll be pleased when I earn my first million.  Smiley

But I still live far below my means.  I drive an economy car!  A Hyundai Elantra.  I also spend very little on myself beyond the necessities.  I assure you that when I finally do hit a million, I will still be living the exact same way.

If you want a system that produces the most wealth - embrace capitalism.  That care cost me $800!  $800 and I got a car which would have cost as much as a house in 1920.  That's the point - capitalism produces wealth for everyone.  Instead you want a system which stalls progress by taking away the incentive that makes these firms produce to begin with.

If you want free health care I'll send you a first aid kit for free.  I want the BEST health care and I am willing to pay for it.
2 children, unmarried and not a pot to piss in yet espousing the ideals of Capitalism whilst living in Canada sucking off its system.

You couldn`t make it up if you tried.


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This site says that your website is worth:
Estimated Worth $16,242.5 USD

Don`t spend it all in one place there big shot.
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« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2010, 01:49:12 PM »

 Undecided   LOLZ!

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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2010, 01:53:15 PM »

Yes, Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent of any ethnic group.  That explains why they brilliantly subverted Gentiles in Russia by devising such a brilliant scheme as communism which people bought into because Jews were so good at spinning memes.  It takes a high IQ for a group of people at 3% of the population to almost overthrow a much larger population.  Jews are geniuses [as a group].

I actually have two children now.  Matt C. Jr. was born on March 21st.  Grin

TA - why would you bash my former car?  Isn't that rather classist?  This coming from a socialist who would at other times denounce the class structure.  This is what I find so hilarious about contradictory socialists.  They want all the wealth and status associated with capitalism - failing to do that on their own they use the government as an agent of force to redistribute the wealth of others for their benefit.

What do you suppose my website is worth TA?  I put 10,000 hours into it.  I am in the top 20 of partners for bodybuilding.com.  I can't see it being worth any less than $100,000 to be honest.  Not to mention I have at least as much in other assets - and that is being conservative.

Let's pretend I'm worth a quarter of a million dollars at age 28.  Is that really so pathetic?  Well maybe for getbig it is.  Grin  I'll be pleased when I earn my first million.  Smiley

But I still live far below my means.  I drive an economy car!  A Hyundai Elantra.  I also spend very little on myself beyond the necessities.  I assure you that when I finally do hit a million, I will still be living the exact same way.

If you want a system that produces the most wealth - embrace capitalism.  That care cost me $800!  $800 and I got a car which would have cost as much as a house in 1920.  That's the point - capitalism produces wealth for everyone.  Instead you want a system which stalls progress by taking away the incentive that makes these firms produce to begin with.

If you want free health care I'll send you a first aid kit for free.  I want the BEST health care and I am willing to pay for it.
Roll Eyes
I guess you haven`t heard of a little thing called inflation and dollar value if you think the car you bought a few years ago for 800 dollars would be equivalent to buying a house in 1920.

Matt C, you really aren`t that bright, but I guess its just genetic seeing as you are in the lower realm without any Jewish blood. Oh well, nothing you can do.
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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2010, 01:56:02 PM »

I actually have two children now.  Matt C. Jr. was born on March 21st.  Grin
Congrats! Although, I have to be honest. My first thought was upon seeing that was of Lawrence Eagleburger, Bush Sr. SofS, who named all his kids Lawrence. And, perhaps, now is not the time to suggest the myth of Uranus and his son Cronus.  Grin  
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