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Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« on: April 20, 2010, 12:36:38 PM »
I know this will never happen, but I wish we could amend the Constitution to say that you are a citizen by birth only if both of your parents are legal citizens at the time of your birth.  Would probably help with illegal immigration. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 12:38:28 PM »
Absolutely.  Even Ron Paul agrees with this. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 12:49:07 PM »
Why?  What's so bad about having more citizens? 
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 12:51:44 PM »
can we retroactively enact this?  That way we can get rid of most of the American population.  One could even argue that Europeans illegally came here and took land from the native Americans.  Beach are you agreeing that they should be able to kick us all out for being 'illegal' in their eyes? 
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 12:52:00 PM »
Why?  What's so bad about having more citizens? 

Its used as a scam to get more benes from the taxpayer.  

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 12:56:31 PM »
Its used as a scam to get more benes from the taxpayer.  

haha 333 with NO proof yet again.  It's been proven your beliefs are wrong on most illegals.  Your claims are based on racial stereo types you see in 'the bronx'  ::) 
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 12:58:58 PM »
haha 333 with NO proof yet again.  It's been proven your beliefs are wrong on most illegals.  Your claims are based on racial stereo types you see in 'the bronx'  ::) 

 ::)  ::)

The vagabonds, nomads, porch sitters, drunks, illegals, and mexis I see in the bronx need a boot in the ass back home.

Most have GF here they get prego and also a wife "back in their country" and stick the taxpayer with the bill. 

We need an 'Operation wetback"  like Ike had and taking illegals out like patton did asap. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 06:55:01 PM »
can we retroactively enact this?  That way we can get rid of most of the American population.  One could even argue that Europeans illegally came here and took land from the native Americans.  Beach are you agreeing that they should be able to kick us all out for being 'illegal' in their eyes? 

Not at all.  I'm saying those who are currently here illegally need to go home.  And we need to close a loophole being exploited by illegal immigrants. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2010, 11:11:17 AM »
He needs to get his own material.   :D

Paul: No citizenship for children of undocumented immigrants
Posted: May 28th, 2010

From CNN's Charles Riley

Washington (CNN) - Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul is once again making waves, this time for saying he opposes citizenship for U.S. born children of undocumented immigrants.

In an interview posted Wednesday on RT.com, a Russian television station that broadcasts in English, Paul said he favors modifying current law.

"We are the only country I know of that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen," Paul said. "And I think that should stop also."

Paul, a Tea Party movement favorite, captured the Kentucky GOP primary last week, defeating establishment candidate Trey Grayson.

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees citizenship to individuals born in the United States, but Paul's position is not an unpopular one in Congress.

Legislation referred to as the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009, a bill that has 91 co-sponsors, would modify the Immigration and Nationality Act to prevent U.S. citizenship for individuals born to undocumented immigrants.

Paul campaign chairman David Adams confirmed to CNN that Paul stands by his comments.

Paul also suggested that immigration policies favored by Democrats are politically motivated.

"I'm not opposed to letting people come in work and labor in our country, but I think what we should do is, we shouldn't provide an easy route to citizenship. A lot of this is about demographics," Paul said. "If you look at new immigrants from Mexico, they register three to one Democrat. The Democrat Party is for easy citizenship for allowing them to vote."

On his campaign website, Paul explains his position on immigration in terms of incentives and subsidies.

"I realize that subsidizing something creates more of it, and do not think the taxpayer should be forced to pay for welfare, medical care and other expenses for illegal immigrants. Once the subsidies for illegal immigration are removed, the problem will likely become far less common," Paul says.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/28/paul-no-citizenship-for-children-of-undocumented-immigrants/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-106272

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2010, 04:29:38 PM »
When the Europeans migrated here there was no constitution or bill of laws. If the natives wanted Europeans gone they should have kicked their European asses out but they didn't. To try to compare European immigrants from that time to the problem now is like comparing apples and oranges.   This stereo type 333 speaks of is true all over the country, I know first hand. Seems like there are more and more slums popping up everytime I cross the country, slowly looking more like mexico. If they like that style of living why dint they stay there? If they want to come here, do it legal and live like Americans?
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2010, 04:33:18 PM »
I know this will never happen, but I wish we could amend the Constitution to say that you are a citizen by birth only if both of your parents are legal citizens at the time of your birth.  Would probably help with illegal immigration. 

Can't happen. It would save the country billions (possibly trillions) of dollars, destroy the infrastructure of aid programs like welfare and gut the democratic party's power base.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2010, 04:39:59 PM »

"I'm not opposed to letting people come in work and labor in our country, but I think what we should do is, we shouldn't provide an easy route to citizenship. A lot of this is about demographics," Paul said. "If you look at new immigrants from Mexico, they register three to one Democrat. The Democrat Party is for easy citizenship for allowing them to vote."


So if the immigrants were registering more as Republicans then it would be ok? This is BS.
As for work and labor maybe the visa and work permits should be re-evaluated especially at a time where unemployment is at an all time high. Encouraging work immigration when you have big unemployment? What is Paul thinking? Again maybe he should listen to his father instead of the mainstream republican positions or whatever he supports.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 04:43:50 PM »
No it wouldnt be ok. I dont care what they register as. But they need to be U.S. citizens first. The people that use illegals for political gain are just as big of problem as the illegals coming in.
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2010, 05:51:04 PM »
I know this will never happen, but I wish we could amend the Constitution to say that you are a citizen by birth only if both of your parents are legal citizens at the time of your birth.  Would probably help with illegal immigration. 

It would, but as you say it won't happen.  The answer isn't changing our constitution, its enforcing existing laws. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2010, 05:55:22 PM »
I know this will never happen, but I wish we could amend the Constitution to say that you are a citizen by birth only if both of your parents are legal citizens at the time of your birth.  Would probably help with illegal immigration. 
how about 1 parent.  I could probably agree with that.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2010, 02:59:19 AM »
So if the immigrants were registering more as Republicans then it would be ok? This is BS.
As for work and labor maybe the visa and work permits should be re-evaluated especially at a time where unemployment is at an all time high. Encouraging work immigration when you have big unemployment? What is Paul thinking? Again maybe he should listen to his father instead of the mainstream republican positions or whatever he supports.

It's not difficult to understand what he was saying with that comment.   He said the reason why democrats take a conservative/lax stance on immigration is because of the high amount of democratic registration by said immigrants.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2010, 07:03:14 AM »
this is fair on paper, but will never happen.  You're going to deport a 17 year old kid who was born here, knows the language, and is ready to attend college?

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2010, 07:23:41 AM »
I know this will never happen, but I wish we could amend the Constitution to say that you are a citizen by birth only if both of your parents are legal citizens at the time of your birth.  Would probably help with illegal immigration. 

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2010, 01:15:59 PM »
Lawmakers Consider Ending Citizenship for Children of Illegal Immigrants
Published July 29, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The federal court decision blocking key provisions of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect could light a fire under lawmakers considering an alternative -- and some say radical -- approach to reining in illegal immigration.

Lawmakers since last year have been kicking around a proposal to bar U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants from becoming U.S. citizens. Such a move, which has been ridiculed by legal scholars, would be a drastic reinterpretation of the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment.

But those supporting the move say it removes a key incentive luring illegal immigrants over the border. And with Arizona lawmakers now prohibited from requiring police to check immigration status, the option might be back on the table.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told Fox News after the Arizona ruling came down that "birthright citizenship" needs to be changed.

"I'm a practical guy, but when you go forward I don't want 20 million more (illegal immigrants) 20 years from now," he said. "Let's have a system that doesn't reward people for cheating."

Though other lawmakers have called for a change in U.S. or state law, Graham said he might introduce a constitutional amendment.

"We should change our Constitution and say if you come here illegally and you have a child, that child's automatically not a citizen," he said Wednesday. "They come here to drop a child -- it's called 'drop and leave.' ... That attracts people here for all the wrong reasons."

The amendment process is drawn out, and success is almost always unlikely -- it would take a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress as well as ratification by three-fourths of the states. That's 38 states.

Michael Wildes, an immigration lawyer and former federal prosecutor, called the push "pie in the sky" no matter how lawmakers go about it. He said any law altering the 14th amendment would never survive a court challenge and questioned the intent.

"It's spiteful," he said. "These are U.S. citizens. ... They're babies that by the grace of God were born in one country instead of another."

He said immigrants are not by and large crossing illegally into the United States just to have children. For starters, he said the parents would have to wait 21 years before their children could sponsor them for legal residency.

Wildes, former mayor of Englewood, N.J., said changing the citizenship ground rules would fundamentally alter the foundation of the United States. It is a rarity for a country to offer citizenship to anyone just because they're born on that country's soil -- but that principle has shaped the U.S. population.

"America has always been a beacon to the immigrants," Wildes said. "As a result of that, we have made ourselves the greatest superpower in the world."

Children of immigrants include droves of accomplished Americans, including former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, born in Kentucky to Jewish immigrants from Europe; actor/dancer/singer Fred Astaire, born to an American mother and Austrian father; singer Christina Aguilera, whose father was born in Ecuador; and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, born to Italian immigrants -- not to mention President Obama, whose father is from Kenya.

Those looking to fiddle with the 14th Amendment, though, aren't looking to go after children of legal immigrants.

A bill introduced in April 2009 by former Georgia Rep. Nathan Deal called for the law to be changed so that "birthright citizenship" as prescribed in the 14th Amendment only applies if one of the child's parents is a U.S. citizen or national, or a legal immigrant.

That bill has languished in the House since last year, though it currently lists 92 co-sponsors.

Arizona state Sen. Russell Pearce told Fox News last month that he was working with some of the co-sponsors, as he considered a similar bill at the state level in Arizona. Pearce was behind the Arizona law that was partially struck down by the court Wednesday.

Pearce contends that the 14th Amendment, adopted after the Civil War, was intended to protect African Americans.

"Illegal wasn't illegal then," he said. "If you think about it, it's illegal to enter the United States, illegal to remain here, but you get the greatest inducement you could possibly have -- the citizenship of your child. ... It was never intended to do that."

A spokesman for Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, one of the co-sponsors, said he wouldn't be surprised if the bill started to kick back up "in the wake of Arizona."

Kevin Bishop, a spokesman for Graham, said the senator is currently "discussing the issue" but would not say what route he would take.

"It is something he is very interested in pursuing further," Bishop said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/29/lawmakers-consider-ending-citizenship-children-illegal-immigrants/

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2010, 01:26:35 PM »
This should be a big priority to any true republicans.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2010, 04:31:27 PM »
The Bruce Springsteen song, (although I don't much care for rock and roll) "Born in the USA" is more than a song title.  It involves concepts that are important to many citizens...no I would not change the constitution in this respect...


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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 06:44:35 PM »
So if the immigrants were registering more as Republicans then it would be ok? This is BS.
As for work and labor maybe the visa and work permits should be re-evaluated especially at a time where unemployment is at an all time high. Encouraging work immigration when you have big unemployment? What is Paul thinking? Again maybe he should listen to his father instead of the mainstream republican positions or whatever he supports.

How you concluded he was saying it would be ok if they were republicans from what he said is beyond any logical reasoning.  It's clear he stated the reason the Democratic party is "easy" on illegal immigration, which is true, is because most illegals register 3:1 Democratic.  Obviously if you have that kind of ratio committing to your party you are going to be "easier" on the issue at hand.

Your second statement shows again, you should re-read what was said instead of jumping to some wild and obviously biased opinion.

As far as the issue in discussion, I would personally be happy with just making it so at least one parent is a legal citizen, which I think would have a higher chance of successfully making it through congress.  The decisions made during this very critical time are going to have ramifications and will ultimately affect the direction of this country.  Quite interesting times for America.

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2010, 04:50:50 PM »
Top Republicans Push to Reconsider Birthright Citizenship
Published August 03, 2010 | Associated Press 

Aug 3: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., talks to the media on Capitol Hill in Washington after the Republican Party luncheon.
WASHINGTON -- Leading Republicans are joining a push to reconsider the constitutional amendment that grants automatic citizenship to people born in the United States.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said Tuesday he supports holding hearings on the 14th Amendment right, although he emphasized that Washington's immigration focus should remain on border security.

His comments came as other Republicans in recent days have questioned or challenged birthright citizenship, embracing a cause that had largely been confined to the far right.

The senators include Arizona's John McCain, the party's 2008 presidential nominee; Arizona's Jon Kyl, the Republicans' second-ranking senator; Alabama's Jeff Sessions, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a leading negotiator on immigration legislation.

"I'm not sure exactly what the drafters of the (14th) amendment had in mind, but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen," Sessions said.

Legal experts say repealing the citizenship right can be done only through constitutional amendment, which would require approval by two-thirds majorities in both chambers of Congress and by three-fourths of the states. Legislation to amend the right, introduced previously in the House, has stalled.

The proposals are sure to appeal to conservative voters as immigration so far is playing a central role in November's elections. They also could carry risks by alienating Hispanic voters and alarming moderates who could view constitutional challenges as extreme. Hispanics have become the largest minority group in the United States, and many are highly driven by the illegal immigrant debate.

McConnell and McCain seemed to recognize the risk by offering guarded statements Tuesday.

McCain, who faces a challenge from the right in his re-election bid, said he supports reviewing citizenship rights. He emphasized, however, that amending the Constitution is a serious matter.

"I believe that the Constitution is a strong, complete and carefully crafted document that has successfully governed our nation for centuries and any proposal to amend the Constitution should receive extensive and thoughtful consideration," he said.

At a news conference, McConnell refused to endorse Graham's suggestion that citizenship rights be repealed for children of illegal immigrants. While refusing to take questions, he suggested instead that he would look narrowly into reports of businesses that help immigrants arrange to have babies in the United States in order to win their children U.S. citizenship.

The 14th Amendment, adopted in 1868 in the aftermath of the Civil War, granted citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States," including recently freed slaves.

Defenders of the amendment say altering it would weaken a fundamental American value while doing little to deter illegal immigration. They also say it would create bureaucratic hardships for parents giving birth.

Quoting a newspaper columnist, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada said Republicans were "either taking leave of their senses or their principles" in advocating repeal.

An estimated 10.8 million illegal immigrants were living in the U.S. as of January 2009, according to the Homeland Security Department. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that as of 2008, there were 3.8 million illegal immigrants in this country whose children are U.S. citizens.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/03/republicans-push-reconsider-birthright-citizenship/

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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2010, 07:27:15 PM »
wow what a surprise Mc Cain supporting this... ::) . Weren't the republicans screaming their heads off "bring back the constitution" and all kinds of stuff like not to long ago....hhhmmmmm maybe I'm just losing my mind.  :)
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Re: Amend the Constitution Regarding Citizenship
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 06:13:37 AM »
Its used as a scam to get more benes from the taxpayer.  

Wouldn't it be easier and much better to just end those benefits for everyone?  Aren't you against Socialism?