Do you support this potential AZ law?

[Soul Crusher]

exactly like in former communist countries. I know it from my own experience. Now  if THAT is not moving closer to a police state I dont know what is.

So instead we should be a bankrupt state because we refuse to curb the invasion of these freeloaders? 

[Danny]

So instead we should be a bankrupt state because we refuse to curb the invasion of these freeloaders? 

No we shouldn't, but maybe you should think twice when bitching about socialism and communism happening in this country especially when the pure essence of communism( control people ) is happening right under your nose and you SUPPORT IT  That's just hypocritical of you.There is need for a serious and viable solution that doesn't trample all of our country's principles as democracy and sets us back 50 years like it's the case with this law.

[Soul Crusher]

No we shouldn't, but maybe you should think twice when bitching about socialism and communism happening in this country especially when the pure essence of communism( control people ) is happening right under your nose and you SUPPORT IT  That's just hypocritical of you.There is need for a serious and viable solution that doesn't trample all of our country's principles as democracy and sets us back 50 years like it's the case with this law.

Take your ignorant liberal tripe to DU moron. 

[240 is Back]

beefing up border patrol and actually KICKING OUT illegals when they catch them, would be the way to go.


Giving the obama national police the ability to detain ANY AMERICAN at ANY TIME?  That's just nuts. 


It's hilarious... if Obama was the one standing in the white house rose garden trying to sell his idea of violating your civil rights like this, you'd be pissed.  Since it's repubs doing it, hey, let's do it... I'm used to having police violate my rights for no reason.


Just remember 33386.... the next time some moron flies his small plane into a building, the next time a militia gets rowdy, the next time some guy shoots up his workplace... Obama will have this power to use AS HE SEES FIT.

If his 'national domestic team' decides every bald white guy with guns and muscle should be detained, ID'd and maybe a step further searched... you can't complain because you supported this law.

I just don't get it.  You have mccain saying it's okay to lose some rights for safety, and you have ed schultz super lib, crying that this violates our rights, that police will be able to abuse it, etc.

[Soul Crusher]

240 - like many other subjects you are clueless on the details of how these things work in reality. 

In many jurisidictions local and state pd cant do anything when they find someone being here illegally as the FEDS have juridisdiction over those issues.  However, when the FEDS completely neglect their duties, the states, WHO FOOT THE BILL FOR THIS INVASION, have to do something. 

From what i can tell this bill is to deal with situations where they pull a guy over whose info is obviously bogus and giving the local le the ability to refer the guy for immigration deportation. 

[240 is Back]

in that case - focus our energies on FIXING THE PLACES THAT DONT KICK OUT THE ILLEGALS.

They could deliver a nice statewide bill requiring illegals be kicked out.  Instead, they want to further push this police state.

I'm not liking it because of the POTENTIAL.  Do you want obama and napaliano to have the power to detail any american they wish for ID purposes?  Do You trust obama not to use this beyond "stopping people who look like illegals"?

Remember, it only take any kind of event for this bill to be used in other ways.  Suppose we get attacked, power grid is down, and there are rumors of more bald white muscular armed white guys that were involved.  You okay with spending 6 months in a camp while they 'work out your papers'?


Shit dude, you know the law.  You know this could very well be step 1 of a 10 or 20 point obama plan.  I'm shocked youre defending more police control of our lives.

[Soul Crusher]

I'm supporting giving local police the ability to transfer illegals for the FEDs for deportation when they find them in the course of their duties. 

I have illegal mexicans lined up and down streets near me and the local pd cant do squat about about it.  They have made a complete mess of the neighborhood and it looks like Mexico City. 

Sunday mornings these vagabons are drinking beers on the stoops at 9am and throwing trash all over the place. 

My friend had to go out with a shovel and almost blast one dude cause he wouldnt get off the property. 

I have ZERO tolerance for these people and those who defend them being here illegally.   

[Danny]

Take your ignorant liberal tripe to DU moron. 

I'm not sure what you mean by DU but you 're not doing yourself a service acting like an idiot. I guess trying to counter back with a rational argument is not in your vocabulary... but then why need to counter back when you can call me a moron and dismiss my point of view since it doesnt totally agree with yours...smart.   Pretty communist of you,dont you think so??  

[Soul Crusher]

I'm not sure what you mean by DU but you 're not doing yourself a service acting like an idiot. I guess trying to counter back with a rational argument is not in your vocabulary... but then why need to counter back when you can call me a moron and dismiss my point of view since it doesnt totally agree with yours...smart.   Pretty communist of you,dont you think so??  

When you stated we are a democracy I pretty much laughed off everything else.  We are a Federal Republic, not a democracy.   

[tonymctones]

PLEASE POINT OUT THE PART OF THIS BILL THAT GIVES THE POLICE THE AUTHORITY TO STOP ANYONE WITHOUT REASON 240

[Danny]

When you stated we are a democracy I pretty much laughed off everything else.  We are a Federal Republic, not a democracy.   

yes if you wanna get technical but we are a democratic free society ..am I correct?

[tonymctones]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/21/arizona.immigration.bill/index.html?hpt=T2
Arizona's bill orders immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally.

more 240 idiocy  

if youre in this country illegally then youre BREAKING THE FUKING LAW!!!!!!!

[240 is Back]

This whole 'if there's reason to suspect'...


Can you break that down a little further?

What is the criteria?

[Soul Crusher]

240 is just spinning garbage as usual. 

[tonymctones]

This whole 'if there's reason to suspect'...


Can you break that down a little further?

What is the criteria?

you break it down you tool, youre the one saying they can run around stopping anyone they want...what the fuck didnt you even look into this shit before you came on here spouting off at the mouth?

did you get this info from the nat enq and just assume it was true like palin cheating on her husband?

[dario73]

Again. So what if a cop stops you or pulls you over and asks for your id.  That has happened to me a few times and I never had a problem with it.

People act like these illegal immigrants' only infraction is crossing the border or sneaking by boat. There is identity theft, falsification of SSI numbers and licenses, insurance fraud (they live in NJ but their vehicles are in another person's name and registered in PA or NY) and a host of other things. My cousin is a cop and he has told me about illegal immigrants getting into accident, sometimes killing a person, and they just run off. No way to track who the actual driver was because car is not under their name, vehicle can't be tracked to rightful owner and when it is tracked to the owner, the owner disappears never to be heard of again.

Illegal immigration causes a lot more problems than people think. Not to mention thousands of Americans that can't get work because contractors will hire an illegal first for a much lower pay rate.

Apply the law in a nationwide scale. So what if you are inconvenienced at times. If you are legal, it won't affect you.

[240 is Back]

the police now have the ability to stop and question anyone they please.  Police can question people "if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. "

What reason is that, specifically?  Anyone?


This law can be abused.  This law give every a-hole cop the ability to fvck with anyone they want because "I suspect he might be here illegally" can be used as a blanket defense.

If they want to fvck with 333386, they can claim they believed he might be an illegal immigrant from italy.  They can pull him out of line buying an ice cream cone, detain, demand ID, etc.

I don't like police having this much power because I fear it's too damn vague, and only a step away from "Show us your papers please" Russia.

[The Showstoppa]

the police now have the ability to stop and question anyone they please.  Police can question people "if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. "

What reason is that, specifically?  Anyone?


This law can be abused.  This law give every a-hole cop the ability to fvck with anyone they want because "I suspect he might be here illegally" can be used as a blanket defense.

If they want to fvck with 333386, they can claim they believed he might be an illegal immigrant from italy.  They can pull him out of line buying an ice cream cone, detain, demand ID, etc.

I don't like police having this much power because I fear it's too damn vague, and only a step away from "Show us your papers please" Russia.

Many places, they have long been able to do that anyway.  Loitering is a common charge when someone doesn't have ID on them.

[Soul Crusher]

the police now have the ability to stop and question anyone they please.  Police can question people "if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. "

What reason is that, specifically?  Anyone?


This law can be abused.  This law give every a-hole cop the ability to fvck with anyone they want because "I suspect he might be here illegally" can be used as a blanket defense.

If they want to fvck with 333386, they can claim they believed he might be an illegal immigrant from italy.  They can pull him out of line buying an ice cream cone, detain, demand ID, etc.

I don't like police having this much power because I fear it's too damn vague, and only a step away from "Show us your papers please" Russia.

My drivers' license is legitimate as as is my CCW, insurance card, car registration etc. 

I dont drive around NYC with a car registered to NC looking like it is one step outside of the junk yard.

This is not rocket science. 

[tonymctones]

the police now have the ability to stop and question anyone they please.  Police can question people "if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. "

What reason is that, specifically?  Anyone?


This law can be abused.  This law give every a-hole cop the ability to fvck with anyone they want because "I suspect he might be here illegally" can be used as a blanket defense.

how is that different from any other law we have on the books you dumb shit?

[tonymctones]

the police now have the ability to stop and question anyone they please.  Police can question people "if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. "

What reason is that, specifically?  Anyone?

you tell us numb nut youre the one saying that they can stop anybody for no reason...are you admitting you dont know whether they can or not?

b/c it sure seemed like you had irrefutable proof on the first page from the way you were posting...

[240 is Back]

If it passes... any person in AZ can now be pulled out of raking his yard, buying an ice cream cone, going for a morning jog, etc.

He will have to present official documents showing identity.

If he doesn't have it, he will be charged.

Now, I understand crime there sucks and they need to pull a few troops from iraq and put them on the border, I'm cool with that.

But you guys are looking at the smaller picture.  Police have discretion, and many times, they are bad apples.  You have the right to go about your business.  Wait til this shit is legal.  They'll put your ass in cuffs on the curb until they're satisfied you're legal.  You just assume it'll be a friendly chat with a smiling officer.  

Wait til you're on the curb cuffed, and the paperwork is taking conveniently long enough for them to check, that they look thru your car, etc.  or if there are 30 ppl in the crowd detained, and you end up sitting there all night.

[tonymctones]

If it passes... any person in AZ can now be pulled out of raking his yard, buying an ice cream cone, going for a morning jog, etc.

He will have to present official documents showing identity.

If he doesn't have it, he will be charged.

Now, I understand crime there sucks and they need to pull a few troops from iraq and put them on the border, I'm cool with that.

But you guys are looking at the smaller picture.  Police have discretion, and many times, they are bad apples.  You have the right to go about your business.  Wait til this shit is legal.  They'll put your ass in cuffs on the curb until they're satisfied you're legal.  You just assume it'll be a friendly chat with a smiling officer.  

Wait til you're on the curb cuffed, and the paperwork is taking conveniently long enough for them to check, that they look thru your car, etc.  or if there are 30 ppl in the crowd detained, and you end up sitting there all night.

so you dont know anything about this bills details but youve ascertained all of this?

again how is what you feel any different from any other law we have on the books?

[240 is Back]

dumb shit... numbnut.... well i see where this is going, have a good one

[Soul Crusher]

dumb shit... numbnut.... well i see where this is going, have a good one

240 - some of your posts elicit these types of insults as you can not possibly believe some of the stuff you type.