Let's make some GetBig History...

[The True Adonis]

Adonis is right less calories less body weight.
It really dosen't matter from where you get the calories.
I'm 43 and eat what i want but keep my cals low and always have
a six pack.

Exactly.  Its not really complicated.

[TrueGrit]

 What is Dr. Connelly`s position?

You know, I've asked this question a bunch of times and despite reading threads on other boards, I have never come across a clear illustration of it...

[che]

A calorie is a calorie oh brother .

[The True Adonis]

You know, I've asked this question a bunch of times and despite reading threads on other boards, I have never come across a clear illustration of it...

It changes constantly to reflect the consumer trends in the marketplace of nutritional supplementation.

Met-RX assuredly sold its fair share of bullshit products back in the day. Why stop now when there still remains just as many fools who will part with their money? The secret of being a top-notch con man is being able to know what the mark wants, and how to make him think he's getting it.

[The True Adonis]

A calorie is a calorie oh brother .

A calorie is a calorie, but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro nutrient.

Hope this helps.

[BIG ACH]

I so want this to happen.


I heard a study on NPR Radio once confirming the calorie is a calorie issue for weight loss. 

But it never discussed muscle gain for bodybuilders etc etc. 

[pellius]

you are delusional for discussing this. You gottA be TA's gimmik.

Oh brother. Another keyboard dip shit. Everybody's somebody else's gimmick.  Who's your gimmick?

Let me guess, you are ambivalent about your sexuality?

[Cardfan]

I so want this to happen.


I heard a study on NPR Radio once confirming the calorie is a calorie issue for weight loss. 

But it never discussed muscle gain for bodybuilders etc etc. 

you sir, are a moron. Please go away.

[Palpatine Q]

I am not interested in helping sell products or promoting them in any fashion.  I am interested in putting together a controlled experiment that will produce results.  I don`t need any money, nor do I want any.  I am already working on a book, have been for over a year as a hobby in my spare time. (Historical Fiction, who knows if anyone will ever read it or if I will finish, perhaps not).

Obviously Dr. Connelly has some sort of vested interest as he wouldn`t just waste money in the hopes of a viral internet owning.  (I for one, thinks its a brilliant marketing approach and don`t blame him if this is really his idea)

However, there is no way he is correct if he thinks that overall caloric intake does not matter and that I could eat 6000 calories and become ripped.

I personally don`t think he believes this, (at least I hope not, how could he?)and that you may be misrepresenting or misunderstanding what his ideas are comprised of.

Say what you want about Adonis, but he can see the forest from the trees.

You think for one second Mindspin is doing this just for kicks? there is an agenda

[The True Adonis]

you sir, are a moron. Please go away.

You aren`t making any friends with that approach.

[pellius]

I still don`t understand what the debate is about.  What is Dr. Connelly`s position?
One can eat 6000 calories a day, not ever reaching a caloric deficit all the while becoming shredded?

I don`t buy it. While I believe he is a mountebank, I refuse to believe Connelly is that far gone.

Also, why haven`t we heard from Scott Connelly himself?  If Dr. Connelly wanted to debate,  don`t you think he would be the one contacting me?

Or at the very least he would post here.  Perhaps I will email him this thread and see what he has to say.  Perhaps some of you could do the same.  Chances are he doesn`t even know it exists.

Just fucking show the fuck up and then you will find out what he believes. Or just say plainly that you decline. And he's probably too busy to be posting on GetBig. All you should care about is if MindSpin will really send you the paid plane ticket. What are you needlessly complicating this?

[che]

A calorie is a calorie, but a Macro Nutrient is not a Macro nutrient.

Hope this helps.

Adonis you just said "It really doesn't matter  where you get the calories from''.

[Cardfan]

You aren`t making any friends with that approach.

I understand that. But I can't understand, for the life of me, why you won't take MS up on the offer. Either you are full of shit ( I believe that You believe what you post) or you know better and just try to arouse controversy here. If the latter is so, then why don't ya man up and try to advance the cause here.

[pellius]

Adonis is right less calories less body weight.
It really dosen't matter from where you get the calories.
I'm 43 and eat what i want but keep my cals low and always have
a six pack.

I like how people always brag about how they eat what they want. The real issue is do you eat AS MUCH as you want. I can't eat as much as I want of cauliflower but I can always manage to forced down another slice of pan pizza. And, of course, there's always room for jello and whipped cream.

Pics of a 43 year old six pack. That would make you well above the Bell curve. Only 7% of the men over 18 have a visible six pack and that number drops exponentially with each passing decade.

[pellius]

You know, I've asked this question a bunch of times and despite reading threads on other boards, I have never come across a clear illustration of it...

If TA accepts we will hear it clearly. (Assuming TA pushes the point which I'm fairly sure he will.)

[The True Adonis]

Adonis you just said "It really doesn't matter  where you get the calories from''.

As long as you meet my goals that I have laid out and as long as the calories are in the form of either being a Protein, Carbohydrate or Fat.

Obviously I don`t want you to eat your calories in Gasoline or Lightbulbs or Styrofoam Plates.

Also avoid poisonous mushrooms and poisonous flowers.  Those are BAD calories.

Don`t EVER eat a Datura.

[pellius]

you sir, are a moron. Please go away.

I've been here longer than you and post more than you. A lot here know who I am. Nobody knows you.

But like Noworries said, fags like you should be eternally grateful for the internet. It allows pussy's like you to act like a tough guy in hiding and say things that they never would say in real life because they would get their ass kicked.

[che]

As long as you meet my goals that I have laid out and as long as the calories are in the form of either being a Protein, Carbohydrate or Fat.

Obviously I don`t want you to eat your calories in Gasoline or Lightbulbs or Styrofoam Plates.

Also avoid poisonous mushrooms and poisonous flowers.  Those are BAD calories.

Don`t EVER eat a Datura.

How much protein,fat ,carbs  a day ?  how many meals a day?

[pellius]

Say what you want about Adonis, but he can see the forest from the trees.

You think for one second Mindspin is doing this just for kicks? there is an agenda

But seriously, so what? If TA shows up and the terms changes and thinks he's being used as a patsy he can just leave and get together with Alex a little early for the goat cheese and wine. He still has the round trip ticket. It's not like Mindspin is having him sign some kind of contract.

[pellius]

I understand that. But I can't understand, for the life of me, why you won't take MS up on the offer. Either you are full of shit ( I believe that You believe what you post) or you know better and just try to arouse controversy here. If the latter is so, then why don't ya man up and try to advance the cause here.

Since I agree with you and I've made the same point, how can I be a TA gimmick?

[The True Adonis]

I like how people always brag about how they eat what they want. The real issue is do you eat AS MUCH as you want. I can't eat as much as I want of cauliflower but I can always manage to forced down another slice of pan pizza. And, of course, there's always room for jello and whipped cream.

Pics of a 43 year old six pack. That would make you well above the Bell curve. Only 7% of the men over 18 have a visible six pack and that number drops exponentially with each passing decade.

Mindspin is claiming that Dr. Connelly THINKS you can eat AS MUCH AS YOU WANT and become shredded.

I don`t buy that for one moment.
I eat 2800 calories a day.  That is a ton of food.  It goes a long way.  

Why can`t you stop eating?  I can order a large Pizza, eat half of it, 1400 calories, which means I have another 1400 to blow on whatever and I would have the other half of Pizza the next day or what have you.

You mean you don`t have control over yourself let alone your environment?  You don`t have to be a fucking pig you know.  You can eat by serving size instead of the whole package.  It all boils down to a mental problem.

You oughta read Wansink`s book, Mindless Eating:Why we eat more than we Think.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wansink

[Cardfan]

I've been here longer than you and post more than you. A lot here know who I am. Nobody knows you.

But like Noworries said, fags like you should be eternally grateful for the internet. It allows pussy's like you to act like a tough guy in hiding and say things that they never would say in real life because they would get their ass kicked.

I was talking to "big ach" is that who you are pellius? Mind  your business. I don't care how long you've been here. Weak is weak.  

[ThaRealist]

I was talking to "big ach" is that who you are pellius? Mind  your business. I don't care how long you've been here. Weak is weak.  

A little short tempered aren't we??

[The True Adonis]

How much protein,fat ,carbs  a day ?  how many meals a day?

I don`t eat "meals".  I just eat whenever I want.  Try for .5-1 gram of lb per protein.  I eat 2800 calories day in and day out.

Meet or stay close those needs, and everything else is taken care of by default.  The more variety the better in my opinion.  I love food.  

I have no idea how much protein, fat or carbs I eat nor do I care, although I do make the .5 minimum of protein per day.  Its effortless.

By default, my Macro ratios will always vary and be constantly changing which I think is a great thing for many biological reasons.

I would be willing to track my daily diets entire nutrients contents against yours any day of the week.

I find that "bodybuilder gym lore" diets are SEVERELY lacking in many areas including calcium and antioxidants.  Most of these morons won`t drink milk or even eat fruit for fucks sakes!

Fiber is also a problem I have noticed with "bodybuilder gym lore" approaches.

[pellius]

Mindspin is claiming that Dr. Connelly THINKS you can eat AS MUCH AS YOU WANT and become shredded.

I don`t buy that for one moment.
I eat 2800 calories a day.  That is a ton of food.  It goes a long way.  

Why can`t you stop eating?  I can order a large Pizza, eat half of it, 1400 calories, which means I have another 1400 to blow on whatever and I would have the other half of Pizza the next day or what have you.

You mean you don`t have control over yourself let alone your environment?  You don`t have to be a fucking pig you know.  You can eat by serving size instead of the whole package.  It all boils down to a mental problem.

You oughta read Wansink`s book, Mindless Eating:Why we eat more than we Think.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wansink

Why are you arguing here? If Dr. Connelly thinks that then it will be easy to expose him a an idiot.

And I do believe that overeating is more a mental problem. People lack self-discipline, they view food differently than say and athlete, it's can be because food is also a means for people to socialize... many reasons other than to fill nutritional requirements.

TA, I agree with what you say. I differ slightly in that it does matter the food that you choose not because of caloric intake but because it makes dieting easier. If you have no problems with self-control then, yes, you are correct. But we live in a very soft and pampered culture and the very idea of self control or even personal responsibility is a thing of the past. You have to make better choices with your macro nutrients so you don't get hungry.