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« Reply #450 on: May 04, 2010, 02:31:40 PM »
Don't know but If someone believes this fairytale they concede he's the biggest mass murderer the world has ever known...

Hahaha, seriously..

Might as well start worshipping Hitler or Charles Manson ;)

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« Reply #451 on: May 04, 2010, 05:03:41 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D bravo fellas...
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« Reply #452 on: May 04, 2010, 06:13:29 PM »
exactly ! in the bible Satan was said to have killed 10 people and God the whole-fucking-planet hahahahahaha whose the bad guy?  ;D

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« Reply #453 on: May 04, 2010, 08:21:00 PM »
Oldschool,

I finally found my book. Wouldn't you know it, the box was the one stacked right over my old muscle magazines. It was still sealed, no less.

Many of your questions fall under Chapter 8, entitled "Manpower Studies: Eight People Care for 16,000 Animals"

Here's an excerpt:

Quantifying the Time Spent on Animal-Care Chores on the Ark.

The most relevant labor studies to tha Ark situation are those which give specific tiem allowances, under non-mechanized conditions, for the feeding, watering, and waste disposal for large numbers of animals. I have examined many such studies and summarized many of them in Tables 9 and 10. (the labor involved in waste management [table 11] is discussed in the ensuing chapter). In order to facilitate comparison of one study with another, I have standardized all the studies by expressing them in terms of seconds per animals per day. I assume a ten-hour day and six-day workweek even though some work could have been done on the Sabbath, as God permits work on the Sabbath for animal-care emergencies (Luke 14:5) and even routine animal-care chores (Luke 13:15)


Here's a portion of Table 9  

          Table 9 Labor Requirement Studies on the Feeding of Animals
No.   Animal   Description   Seconds/Animals/Day   Reference
1   Cows   Self-feeder penstyle barns vs. stanchion barns       12-24 vs. 24-48        Brown et. al. (1950)


2   Cows   Nearby ground-stored feeds: hay vs. silage vs grain     18 vs. 24 vs. 30      Byers (1952)
3   Cows   Self-fed vs. hand-fed hay        12 vs. 18-181     Byers (1952)
4   Cows   Self-feeder silo      10.3   Anon (1954)
5   Cows   Overhead chute or nearby grain     12   Byers (1952)
6   Cows   Grain from feed cart      30   Byers (1952)






References:

Brown, L.H, Cargill, B. F. and B. R. Bookhout, 1950. Pen-tpe dairy Barns. Michigan Agricultural Experiment Station Special Bulletin No. 363.; Byers, G. B. 1952. Effect of work methods and building designs on building costs and labor efficiency for daily chores. Kentucky Agricultural Experiment Station Bulletin No. 569.

Carter, D. G.  and W. E. Carroll 1943. Labor-saving equipment for hog production. University of Illinois Agricultural Experiment Station Circular 554; Anon 1954. Beats the silage tub. Farm Journal 78 (May 1954): 62.


Regarding you statement about carnivores, that's covered in Chapter 12: "Feeding Challenges I: Animals that Eat Fresh or Live Food"

A couple of excerpts,

Quantity of Meat Required and Food ...Only one-sixth of the total food intake on the Ark (expressed as dry matter intake) is meat or meat-equivalent. As elaborated below, both fresh and dry meat are relatively dense in nutrients and would have filled on a small fraction of the volumetric capacity of the Ark.

Economizing on Fresh Meat. Insofar as the feeding of fresh meat was necessary at all, Noah did not need to through the time consuming procedure of raising mice for the small carnivores and cattle for the larger ones. Giant tortoises could have serves as the primary source of fresh meat on the Ark. They have long been used for this purpose on long voyages, as thy can go at least several months without being fed (Campbell 1978, p. 53) or given water to drink (Blunt 1976, p. 91). In fact, many tortoises can fast at least the duration of the Ark voyage (1 year: Marcus 1981, p. 65). The use of fresh tortoises meat as food for the carnivorous animals on the Ark is facilitated on the fact that, in nature, many carnivores already eat tortoises on an opportunistic basis.

This is true, for instance, for kites (Keeling 1984, p. 12), lions (Pienaar 1969, p. 117), jaguars (Mondolfi and Hoogesteijn 1986, p 104), and hyenas (Pienaar 1969 p. 134). No manpower need have been expended to put up the tortoises on the Ark into bite-sized morsels, as carnivores (e.g. jaguars: Mondolfi and Hoogestejn 1986, p 104) simply scoop out the flesh from between the carapace and plastron without separating them.

A limited amout of fresh meat could have also been preseved by methods used by the ancients, such as salting, smoking, pickling, etc. (Jensen 1949 p. 181). However, in the event that the carnivores would not have accepted salted meat, honey could have been used by itself to preserve fresh meat for long periods of time, as had been done by the ancient Romans (Jensen 1949 p. 181).

References:

Campbell, S. 1978, Lifeboat fo Ararat. Times Books, New York
Blunt, W. 1976. The Ark in the Park. Hamish Hamiltod Ltd., London.
Marcus, L.C. 1981, Veterinary Bilogy and Medicine of Captive Amphibians and Reptiles.
Keeling, 1984, Where the Lion Trod: A Study of Forgotten Zoological Gardens Clam Productions, Surrey England.
Pienaar, U. du V. 1969, Predaator-prey relationships amonst the large mammals of the Kruger National Park. Koedoe No. 12.
Mondolfi, E and R. Hoogesteijn. 1986. Notes on the Biology and status of the Jaguar in Venezuela in Miller and Everett, op. cit

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #454 on: May 04, 2010, 09:05:04 PM »
That could be said about the other references to the Flood as well; yet the Genesis account has the most level of detail, even more than the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh, from which the Genesis account was supposedly copied.
But again the detail came after the event. Did noah have a journal while he was chosen and while he lived on the water? Wouldn't that be a better account since it's at least first hand?

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Well the scientist's could at least give a time frame of when Earth would be livable again if there was a way to harbor life during the aftermath. I'm more than sure that we have a government plan of how to keep some people alive if it were to happen. We ordinary people just don't see it.

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« Reply #455 on: May 04, 2010, 09:26:58 PM »
Oldschool,

I finally found my book. Wouldn't you know it, the box was the one stacked right over my old muscle magazines. It was still sealed, no less.

Many of your questions fall under Chapter 8, entitled "Manpower Studies: Eight People Care for 16,000 Animals"

Here's an excerpt:

Quantifying the Time Spent on Animal-Care Chores on the Ark.

The most relevant labor studies to tha Ark situation are those which give specific tiem allowances, under non-mechanized conditions, for the feeding, watering, and waste disposal for large numbers of animals. I have examined many such studies and summarized many of them in Tables 9 and 10. (the labor involved in waste management [table 11] is discussed in the ensuing chapter). In order to facilitate comparison of one study with another, I have standardized all the studies by expressing them in terms of seconds per animals per day. I assume a ten-hour day and six-day workweek even though some work could have been done on the Sabbath, as God permits work on the Sabbath for animal-care emergencies (Luke 14:5) and even routine animal-care chores (Luke 13:15)


Here's a portion of Table 9  

          Table 9 Labor Requirement Studies on the Feeding of Animals
No.   Animal   Description   Seconds/Animals/Day   Reference
1   Cows   Self-feeder penstyle barns vs. stanchion barns       12-24 vs. 24-48        Brown et. al. (1950)


2   Cows   Nearby ground-stored feeds: hay vs. silage vs grain     18 vs. 24 vs. 30      Byers (1952)
3   Cows   Self-fed vs. hand-fed hay        12 vs. 18-181     Byers (1952)
4   Cows   Self-feeder silo      10.3   Anon (1954)
5   Cows   Overhead chute or nearby grain     12   Byers (1952)
6   Cows   Grain from feed cart      30   Byers (1952)






References:

Brown, L.H, Cargill, B. F. and B. R. Bookhout, 1950. Pen-tpe dairy Barns. Michigan Agricultural Experiment Station Special Bulletin No. 363.; Byers, G. B. 1952. Effect of work methods and building designs on building costs and labor efficiency for daily chores. Kentucky Agricultural Experiment Station Bulletin No. 569.

Carter, D. G.  and W. E. Carroll 1943. Labor-saving equipment for hog production. University of Illinois Agricultural Experiment Station Circular 554; Anon 1954. Beats the silage tub. Farm Journal 78 (May 1954): 62.
But this only pertains to cows. What of the rhinos, gorillas, caribou, elephants, camels, sloths, etc.? This doesn't address how these animals who had much different dietary needs than cows, were fed.


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Regarding you statement about carnivores, that's covered in Chapter 12: "Feeding Challenges I: Animals that Eat Fresh or Live Food"

A couple of excerpts,

Quantity of Meat Required and Food ...Only one-sixth of the total food intake on the Ark (expressed as dry matter intake) is meat or meat-equivalent. As elaborated below, both fresh and dry meat are relatively dense in nutrients and would have filled on a small fraction of the volumetric capacity of the Ark.

Economizing on Fresh Meat. Insofar as the feeding of fresh meat was necessary at all, Noah did not need to through the time consuming procedure of raising mice for the small carnivores and cattle for the larger ones. Giant tortoises could have serves as the primary source of fresh meat on the Ark. They have long been used for this purpose on long voyages, as thy can go at least several months without being fed (Campbell 1978, p. 53) or given water to drink (Blunt 1976, p. 91). In fact, many tortoises can fast at least the duration of the Ark voyage (1 year: Marcus 1981, p. 65). The use of fresh tortoises meat as food for the carnivorous animals on the Ark is facilitated on the fact that, in nature, many carnivores already eat tortoises on an opportunistic basis.

This is true, for instance, for kites (Keeling 1984, p. 12), lions (Pienaar 1969, p. 117), jaguars (Mondolfi and Hoogesteijn 1986, p 104), and hyenas (Pienaar 1969 p. 134). No manpower need have been expended to put up the tortoises on the Ark into bite-sized morsels, as carnivores (e.g. jaguars: Mondolfi and Hoogestejn 1986, p 104) simply scoop out the flesh from between the carapace and plastron without separating them.

A limited amout of fresh meat could have also been preseved by methods used by the ancients, such as salting, smoking, pickling, etc. (Jensen 1949 p. 181). However, in the event that the carnivores would not have accepted salted meat, honey could have been used by itself to preserve fresh meat for long periods of time, as had been done by the ancient Romans (Jensen 1949 p. 181).

References:

Campbell, S. 1978, Lifeboat fo Ararat. Times Books, New York
Blunt, W. 1976. The Ark in the Park. Hamish Hamiltod Ltd., London.
Marcus, L.C. 1981, Veterinary Bilogy and Medicine of Captive Amphibians and Reptiles.
Keeling, 1984, Where the Lion Trod: A Study of Forgotten Zoological Gardens Clam Productions, Surrey England.
Pienaar, U. du V. 1969, Predaator-prey relationships amonst the large mammals of the Kruger National Park. Koedoe No. 12.
Mondolfi, E and R. Hoogesteijn. 1986. Notes on the Biology and status of the Jaguar in Venezuela in Miller and Everett, op. cit

Not buying it. This is a total assumption and the thought process doesn't concur with the species of carnivores (since evolution doesn't exist according to christian religion) that inhabit the planet today.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #456 on: May 04, 2010, 10:10:34 PM »
Sorry to burst your bubble McBible but unless noah had a badass refrigeration and freezer system say the size of a wal-mart he would not be able to sustain 16,000 animals for any amount of time... that also taking into consideration that the ark would have had to have been the size of an aircraft carrier to fit said animals and fresh food which would somehow magically have to be replenished on a boat at sea for x amount of days.. in the video from Mount Ararat the craft looks no bigger then a few cargo containers held together, hardly enough room for that sort of storage let alone a whole family of humans.
 

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« Reply #457 on: May 04, 2010, 10:21:47 PM »
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/802106--is-the-latest-noah-s-ark-discovery-a-fake#article

Kurdish workers carted wood up Mt. Ararat in order to fake the discovery of Noah’s Ark, an archeologist who worked on the dig says.

On Tuesday, a group of Asian Christian evangelicals held a press conference in Turkey to announce they were “99.9 per cent” sure they’d found the biblical boat.

The claim was greeted with immediate skepticism, which seems increasingly well founded.

The bible suggests that the ark came to rest after 150 days of flooding in the “mountains of Ararat.” The mountain, located in Turkey near the border with Armenia, is an inhospitable place for both geographic and political reasons. And even the translation is suspect.

The bible specifies that the landing spot is “Urartu.” Over time Urartu became Ararat, a name that was given to the mountain long after the bible was written. So it’s not exactly clear where the bible’s authors meant. Thus, it’s slightly suspect that the ark should show up exactly where we want it to be.

Nonetheless, Ararat has drawn a steady stream of explorers for decades. Many of them have “discovered” the ark.

“I don’t know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it,” said archeologist Paul Zimansky recently told National Geographic.

Ditto Noah’s Ark Ministries International. The evangelical-archeological group claims to have found the remains of the ark in a series of caverns near the peak of Ararat in 2008. Video footage provided by the group shows incongruous wooden beams jutting through the ice in a cavern. They also claim that carbon dating puts the age of the wooden beams discovered at 4,800 years old.

The scientific-creationist movement (yes, such a thing exists) has suggested that the entire radio-carbon dating process must be recalibrated. This is their way of explaining how objects can be shown to be tens of thousands of years old on a planet they believe was created out of the void 6,000 years ago.

So even they doubt Noah’s Ark Ministries, since in their time-compressed radio-carbon world, 4,800 years is far too young for the ark.

Now, someone within the Noah’s Ark Ministries camp is rubbishing the discovery.

Randall Price, an evangelical Christian, was apparently one of the original archeologists hired by the group. He has been circulating an email, alleging that the wooden beams were taken from a site near the Black Sea and then planted on Ararat. Price has stopped talking about the incident, and is involved in some sort of financial dispute with Noah’s Ark Ministries. But he did acknowledge the email to the Christian Science Monitor.

For now, the doubters have no way of directly confronting the evidence. The Noah’s Ark Ministries team intends to keep the ark’s purported location secret until they get it designated a UNESCO World Heritage site.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #458 on: May 04, 2010, 10:28:15 PM »
There are 950,000 species of insect alone. That's 1.9 million individual insects that need to be cared for, which includes monitored breeding, since some forms of flies live for a day or so in their adult stage. Then again, there are many beetles which, as larvae, need site-specific soil to live. They're highly sensitive to minute differences in moisture and composition.

Of course to sustain spiders and other carnivorous arthropods you would need to double that number in feed stock insects.

Then there are the 30k non-insect, non-sea swelling species, many of which are sensitive to environment and food source. For example, Noah would have had to have grown eucalyptus trees onboard for the koalas alone.

Of course, first he would have had to scour every continent, including Antarctica, for every one of these 1.2 million species, and because so many species (especially insect) are nearly identical, Noah would have had to been an expert in animal classification, being especially careful not to mix two similar species of, say, fruit fly.


Of course, if you're Coach, all of this can be easily explained away as mere formality, but what's really, really impossible to believe is that President Obama could have been born in the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #459 on: May 04, 2010, 10:33:02 PM »
i posted the article above like a week ago, they lied, they carried the shit up the moutain and fucking took pictures. It is a hoax and people like coach look stupid once again.

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« Reply #460 on: May 04, 2010, 10:45:03 PM »
There are 950,000 species of insect alone. That's 1.9 million individual insects that need to be cared for, which includes monitored breeding, since some forms of flies live for a day or so in their adult stage. Then again, there are many beetles which, as larvae, need site-specific soil to live. They're highly sensitive to minute differences in moisture and composition.

Of course to sustain spiders and other carnivorous arthropods you would need to double that number in feed stock insects.

Then there are the 30k non-insect, non-sea swelling species, many of which are sensitive to environment and food source. For example, Noah would have had to have grown eucalyptus trees onboard for the koalas alone.

Of course, first he would have had to scour every continent, including Antarctica, for every one of these 1.2 million species, and because so many species (especially insect) are nearly identical, Noah would have had to been an expert in animal classification, being especially careful not to mix two similar species of, say, fruit fly.


Of course, if you're Coach, all of this can be easily explained away as mere formality, but what's really, really impossible to believe is that President Obama could have been born in the U.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the known world...at that time.



Necrosis, figures, because allegedly, NASA has photos of a boat like structure (broken in two) on Ararat for years.

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #461 on: May 04, 2010, 10:46:51 PM »
the ark defnitely existed or else we wouldnt have any animals on the earth

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« Reply #462 on: May 04, 2010, 11:39:04 PM »
the ark defnitely existed or else we wouldnt have any animals on the earth

Hahahahahha...OMFG I just spit out my protein shake...bastard!

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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #463 on: May 04, 2010, 11:52:46 PM »
Side topic, anyone could explain the mystery of Mount Gilboa?

Don't know, go search yourself
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« Reply #464 on: May 05, 2010, 12:19:10 AM »
Side topic, anyone could explain the mystery of Mount Gilboa?

Don't know, go search yourself

stuff don't grow well on mountains.

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« Reply #465 on: May 05, 2010, 12:58:41 AM »
stuff don't grow well on mountains.

have you seen the picture of Mount Gilboa? One side is a forest while the other is totally baron..  Reason being the hill was cursed by David when he lamented the death of Saul and Jonathan..

No science could prove anything about the weather, ground was mundane or shit like that
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« Reply #466 on: May 05, 2010, 05:30:46 AM »
But this only pertains to cows. What of the rhinos, gorillas, caribou, elephants, camels, sloths, etc.? This doesn't address how these animals who had much different dietary needs than cows, were fed.

The table doesn't just include cows. I simply cut it short, because I got tired of typing. I'd just returned from taking my wife out to dinner (Olive Garden...try the Stuffed Chicken Marsala; it's terrific   ;D ).

The book goes into more detail regarding the diets of other animals, in Chapters 12 and 13. If an electronic copy were online, I'd provide the link for you to read for yourself.


Not buying it. This is a total assumption and the thought process doesn't concur with the species of carnivores (since evolution doesn't exist according to christian religion) that inhabit the planet today.

Again, you'll have to read the book for yourself. What I've posted is but a small fraction of the information.

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« Reply #467 on: May 05, 2010, 05:36:39 AM »
Sorry to burst your bubble McBible but unless noah had a badass refrigeration and freezer system say the size of a wal-mart he would not be able to sustain 16,000 animals for any amount of time... that also taking into consideration that the ark would have had to have been the size of an aircraft carrier to fit said animals and fresh food which would somehow magically have to be replenished on a boat at sea for x amount of days.. in the video from Mount Ararat the craft looks no bigger then a few cargo containers held together, hardly enough room for that sort of storage let alone a whole family of humans.
 

A freezer and refrigeration system would not be necessary AT ALL. I already mentioned the various ways ancient people preserved meat for long periods of time (salting, pickling, etc). Heck, even today, you can dry out meat (to make jerky), using the simplest of processes that will last FOR YEARS.

Furthermore, the Ark's size was already given, and with its volume, storing that many animals would hardly be a problem.

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« Reply #468 on: May 05, 2010, 06:21:17 AM »

Yet, that's what we have for Noah and the Ark: A Divine warning, specific instructions on how to survive a massive catastrophe, what to store, how to store, etc.


Proof.  Where is it?


Hardly!!! I've offered the substance. The fact that you've had to resort to calling me a girl (perhaps in an effort to mask your Brokeback tendencies....not that there's anything wrong with that) pretty much states how empty your rhetoric has become....or continues to be.

The reason I call you a girl is simply because no man alive whose testicles have dropped post puberty is capable of the whining and feminine hysterics that you provide the rest of the board with on a daily basis.

Besides, we all know that homo traits are most common in Christians and Republicans.  So you do raise question marks in that regards.

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« Reply #469 on: May 05, 2010, 06:37:55 AM »
I guess when you've wasted good tuition money at some Bible college majoring in worship arts, pimping Noah's Ark as reality on Getbig is probably only one of limited ways to justify such cost. 

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« Reply #470 on: May 05, 2010, 06:39:02 AM »
Don't know but If someone believes this fairytale they concede he's the biggest mass murderer the world has ever known...

Funny thing is God also believes in abortions as well which goes against the bible thumping Pro Life whining.

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« Reply #471 on: May 05, 2010, 06:46:15 AM »
So does that mean that we are all techincally Noah's grandchildren?

Are you trying to imply that I'm related to you and that I should give money to you assholes?

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« Reply #472 on: May 05, 2010, 06:46:59 AM »
Apologist 'science' isn't science, which why the scientific community doesn't recognize this garbage.

Try finding some data to support the noah's ark fable from legitimate scientific sources.

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« Reply #473 on: May 05, 2010, 06:50:45 AM »

If a meteor or comet hit this planet, there's not a darn thing any scientists can do about it.

Not a thing "God" can do about it either.

Well the scientist's could at least give a time frame of when Earth would be livable again if there was a way to harbor life during the aftermath.

Scientists could also track the path of the meteor and determine and estimated impact time and location.  Does this make them Moses?  Does this make the Hubble Telescope "God" because it provided them with a Divine warning?


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Re: Noahs Ark Found
« Reply #474 on: May 05, 2010, 07:10:54 AM »
Apologist 'science' isn't science, which why the scientific community doesn't recognize this garbage.

Try finding some data to support the noah's ark fable from legitimate scientific sources.
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