was anyone here smart enough to major in medicine?

[Governor]

man this is disgusting, this is healthcare, helping people out and get better, yet the Republicans look at it as a business to cash in on.  Pure disgust 

Moron

[theworm]

ahhaha...true

the idea that no one will want to be a doctor is bullshit.  the thing is, medical schools have so far been a "rich kids club", and that will now have to change.  sounds like a good plan

True, people will still want to be doctors, its just that the smarter more intelligent people will not want to become a doctor.  too much work and money for little payout.  See the problem?  

 there will still be doctors, however, their calliber will decline and more and more foreign med grads (who probably could not get into a US medical school) will be taking over.

[Sarcastic Deity]

True, people will still want to be doctors, its just that the smarter more intelligent people will not want to become a doctor.  too much work and moeny for little payout.  See the problem?

do you mean "smart" in the sense that they're most concerned with making money

there will still be doctors, however, their calliber will decline and more and more foreign med grads (who probably could not get into a US medical school) will be taking over.

well, i agree that it would be a  B_I_G  fucking mistake to allow our medical establishment to become an outpost for fucking bombay "in'ja", because these mutherfuckers would do it.  i hate this shit already

but believe that we'd easily be able to produce ample excellent doctors by vetting the right people from all income classes. really

[jwb]

the problem is the lawyers not the doctors.

[theworm]

do you mean "smart" in the sense that they're most concerned with making money

well, i agree that it would be a  B_I_G  fucking mistake to allow our medical establishment to become an outpost for fucking bombay "in'ja", because these mutherfuckers would do it.  i hate this shit already

but believe that we'd easily be able to produce ample excellent doctors by vetting the right people from all income classes. really

it has nothing to do will class.  why would ANY college student want to go to medical school?  No one wants to sign up for 8 extra years of school, an extra 100K of dept, only to work harder and longer for less and less pay (which is excactly what the new health law does!) and face higher malpractice claims, and will be more likely sued cause he has to see soo many more people at lower reimbursement rates.  why would anyone with any common sense sign up for somthing like this?

Hence, foreigners will be comming over to our med schools and becomming docs...  

[efanhowz]

what the fucck are you talking about??
$80k after a 2 year program? Hahha
$100k for nurses? STARTING? maybe so...only if you're in a place where you can work overtime & it's near 100 hours a week.

Nursing managers don't even make six figures. You have no clue.

in California, a BSN RN will make close to 100k starting. I know a girl that just got hired at something like $48 an hr. And my other claim about a 2 yr program, example: radiology tech OR ultrasound tech, can easily make a good living too. Don't call me clueless

[Campeon Del Mundo]

in California, a BSN RN will make close to 100k starting. I know a girl that just got hired at something like $48 an hr. And my other claim about a 2 yr program, example: radiology tech OR ultrasound tech, can easily make a good living too. Don't call me clueless

   i'm a graduate of a 2 year community college health program and i concur with that statement..

[jtsunami]

it has nothing to do will class.  why would ANY college student want to go to medical school?  No one wants to sign up for 8 extra years of school, an extra 100K of dept, only to work harder and longer for less and less pay (which is excactly what the new health law does!) and face higher malpractice claims, and will be more likely sued cause he has to see soo many more people at lower reimbursement rates.  why would anyone with any common sense sign up for somthing like this?

Hence, foreigners will be comming over to our med schools and becomming docs...  

I don't know maybe because they want to help people   Ever think it doesn't have something to do with money.  You should do what your passionate about not what pays the most. 

jt

[Tito24]

repubs do not look at it as a biz.  are you kidding me?

what they do not tell you is that the average dept is 200k.  Malpractice insurance is another 90k for some docs.  Overhead is usally another 50% of that "income," then you get taxed about 42% on the rest.

It take the average doc 20+ years just to catch up to the plumber who has been working since high school.

I think repubs understand this and do not want their doc to be Habib from Pakistan.

Crazy shit right there...

[noworries]

the problem is the lawyers not the doctors.

I have a friend in Scotsdale who is a practicing attorney for the past 5+ years and has his own medical practice for the past 25+ years.  Best of both worlds

[brooklynbruiser]

repubs do not look at it as a biz.  are you kidding me?

what they do not tell you is that the average dept is 200k.  Malpractice insurance is another 90k for some docs.  Overhead is usally another 50% of that "income," then you get taxed about 42% on the rest.

It take the average doc 20+ years just to catch up to the plumber who has been working since high school.

I think repubs understand this and do not want their doc to be Habib from Pakistan.

Worm, what say you about the WHO's 2000 ranking of national healthcare systems where the U.S. made 37th?

[pluck]

in California, a BSN RN will make close to 100k starting. I know a girl that just got hired at something like $48 an hr. And my other claim about a 2 yr program, example: radiology tech OR ultrasound tech, can easily make a good living too. Don't call me clueless

Ok. You are clueless.

A fucking pharmacist with a Pharm D. and 1-2 year residency under their belt will make mid-low $90s starting out here in Chicago.
A NURSE starting pay making $100K ?? HAHAHAHA
A nurse anesthetist...yes. Not just your regular nurse who charts meds, starts IVs and monitors vitals.
That girl lied to you. No way she JUST has her BSN...master's at least.
...but then just breathing in CA is expensive.

Rad techs make DECENT money for the amount of schooling they put in which is 2 years...$45 is very generous starting pay.  

BTW, it is not how SMART you are if you want to get into med school. It's how hard you work.
You can have an average intelligence person who can work their ass off and get into med school.
I knew plenty of "dummies" or just average kids in pre-med classes that worked really hard and got good grades...you would never judge them as the med school type.

Like a lot of people previously mentioned the money in medicine is in specialty fields like derm, cardio, ortho...etc.
I talk to a few docs at work and at my cigar lounge ...all say the same thing. The general practitioners and internal medicine guys are all going to be foreigners in the next 10-20 years because the cost of a U.S. med school is so effing expensive and the payout after malpractice, insurance company reimbursement, overhead...etc isn't what you think it would be. Dermatology is the most lucrative field right now because the malpractice is the lowest, it is easier to see more patients than let's say an OB GYN or cardiologist because all age groups have skin conditions acne in teens, scars in all people, skin cancer in older crowd...plus skin care is really expensive.  

[Hulkotron]

I major in kinesiology in grad school.  Lots of us like to pretend we know as much as doctors.

[theworm]

Worm, what say you about the WHO's 2000 ranking of national healthcare systems where the U.S. made 37th?

probably has to do with the fact that the US has a lot of democrats and people who are completely irresposible with their own health, then roll into the ERs like train wrecks.  then the rest of us have to pay.  i do not think Sweden has a large percentage of non-working lower socio-economic status people who hang on their steps all day and have kid after kid!

what say you about this 'bruiser:"  why does everyone in the world (Saudi Arabia, etc) fly here for their health care?

[brooklynbruiser]

Hm...I'd say cite the source first, then I'd think about it. I'm interested in hearing more though!

[theworm]

site what source?

its common knowledge people fly in from all over the world to go to the Cleveland Clinic's Heart hospital...

[240 is Back]

i was awesome at biology and was pre-med in college for a year.

unfortunately i sucked at chemistry.  i got an mba without trying... but pre-med is something I have major respect for.  beyond my skillset, that's for sure.

[theworm]

yeah, i cannot think of any other job more presitigeous and intellectual stimulating as medicine...

[the_doc]

I'm a doctor in Ireland. 6 years med school. I thought about doing emergency for a short while but I'm glad I chose general surgery. I'm equivalent to what's called a 4th year resident in the States I think. Plenty of hard work and certainly not a career to choose if you are only motivated by money. Until the recent recession, junior doctors in Ireland could make a good living with overtime ($150,000 per year) but the health service is in shit financially now and most docs have taken up to 30% pay cuts in the last year. We also pay 50% tax on most of our salary. But then again, I didn't get into it for the money.
The Doc  

[NaturalWonder83]

I'm a doctor in Ireland. 6 years med school. I thought about doing emergency for a short while but I'm glad I chose general surgery. I'm equivalent to what's called a 4th year resident in the States I think. Plenty of hard work and certainly not a career to choose if you are only motivated by money. Until the recent recession, junior doctors in Ireland could make a good living with overtime ($150,000 per year) but the health service is in shit financially now and most docs have taken up to 30% pay cuts in the last year. We also pay 50% tax on most of our salary. But then again, I didn't get into it for the money.
The Doc  

whats your opinion on acne? what causes it?

[the_doc]

whats your opinion on acne? what causes it?

I'm a general surgeon so my dermatology is not the best. Some argue it's all hormonal. Vitamin A preperations seem to be effecive treatments.
The Doc

[jtsunami]

whats your opinion on acne? what causes it?

one day this world will be acne free, hopefully they come up with a cure for it.

[marty31672]

i decided i want to pursue an associates in criminal justice instead

[jwb]

I'm a general surgeon so my dermatology is not the best. Some argue it's all hormonal. Vitamin A preperations seem to be effecive treatments.
The Doc

testosterone esters don't help either.

[Kwon]

i decided i want to pursue an associates in criminal justice instead

That's good, you will certainly have some use of your UFC-skills there.

Always good to have as a "backup" you know? When things heat up.