Pro Bodybuilding and conflict of interests

[Wiggs]

To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...

Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes competing.

Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.

Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.

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[Captain Equipoise]

To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...

Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes.

Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.

Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.

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Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a non-biased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)

[Wiggs]

Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a non-biased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)

YES!

[ChristopherA]

Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a non-biased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)

Excellent idea

[Topskin69]

Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a unbiased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)

Yes I agree... Every Wallmart has the aging 60+ Gestapo officer at the front to ensure you aren't running off with any Dr. Seuss ties, or bottles of Paris Hilton perfume, without your proof of receipt. Hire them out for a day to tabulate the scores, and pay them with some Metemucil, and coupons to an Old Country Buffet.

Randomly selecting Judges from a pool, of eligible candidates, is also a good idea. Also the idea of a "Head Judge" should be abolished. There shouldn't be any "trending," or "Judging Precedent" that a Head Judge can try and bullishly enforce.

Of course as paying fans of the Sport, we have no say, and Chick will tell us to get lost. 

[Captain Equipoise]

Yes I agree... Every Wallmart has the aging 60+ Gestapo officer at the front to ensure you aren't running off with any Dr. Seuss ties, or bottles of Paris Hilton perfume, without your proof of receipt. Hire them out for a day to tabulate the scores, and pay them with some Metemucil, and coupons to an Old Country Buffet.

Randomly selecting Judges from a pool, of eligible candidates, is also a good idea. Also the idea of a "Head Judge" should be abolished. There shouldn't be any "trending," or "Judging Precedent" that a Head Judge can try and bullishly enforce.

Of course as paying fans of the Sport, we have no say, and Chick will tell us to get lost. 

This is exactly what's wrong with bodybuilding and why I never bothered competing , the whole head judge thing is bullshit and the other judges fall in to politics and peer pressure.

We should get Chick to comment on this idea..

[Ex Coelis]

an easy call for any judge

[Wiggs]

an easy call for any judge

Winner

[240 is Back]

big scoreboard.  

[noworries]

To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...

Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes competing.

Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.

Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.

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NO WAY this happens.  Does it really.  If so I would have to say this would be a priorityh for Chic to take care of.  That is unreal if that really happens If I was a competitor I would boycott if this happens

[Chick]

NO WAY this happens.  Does it really.  If so I would have to say this would be a priorityh for Chic to take care of.  That is unreal if that really happens If I was a competitor I would boycott if this happens

It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...

That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...

[HTexan]

bbers CANNOT bite the hand that feeds.

[noworries]

It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...

That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...

Damm it Chic this should not even happen.  Those guys still have some kind of influence on the other judges.  When they pass each by when they are switching seats and just the fact they are all paid judges together.  They should have NOTHING to do with anyh part of the judging process.  Hell they might see a competitor they like or are in negoiations with and bump there scored up and influence the other judges and now that guy wins the show. Now that guy can be signed and that company now has a title holder as one of their athletes.  Or even the other way around.  Make it so they dont win and be able to negoiate the price of sponsorship down because they didn't win the title.  In any way this should not happen.  Just my two cents worth.  I beat this doesn;t happen in any other events

[Flexb]

#1: Judges shouldn't be gay or schmoes.
#2: Judges should be bodybuilders themselves; no skinny schmoes, refer to #1

[Chick]

Damm it Chic this should not even happen.  Those guys still have some kind of influence on the other judges.  When they pass each by when they are switching seats and just the fact they are all paid judges together.  They should have NOTHING to do with anyh part of the judging process.  Hell they might see a competitor they like or are in negoiations with and bump there scored up and influence the other judges and now that guy wins the show. Now that guy can be signed and that company now has a title holder as one of their athletes.  Or even the other way around.  Make it so they dont win and be able to negoiate the price of sponsorship down because they didn't win the title.  In any way this should not happen.  Just my two cents worth.  I beat this doesn;t happen in any other events

Highly unlikely...you would need ALL the judges conspiring for the same cause, and as individuals, their score only accounts to a mean average as the highs and lows are thrown out...sometimes 2 high and 2 low scores to insure against exactly what you're talking about...

[newmom]

not trying to be a bitch, but it is common knowledge, that if the scores are close, I mean within a point of each other, a judge can say oh this is my dude or girl, or gives the bodybuilders thumbs up. We know this happens. Maybe not at the pro level but it does happen

[Flexb]

This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won 

[musclepost]

the only conflict of interest is between the bodybuilders health and the ridiculous amount of drugs the judges expect them to take to place near the top

[ThaRealist]

I agree that the judges should be completely separated and there should be only judges that have no connections with any certain sponsors...Judging is always going to bias, but the less bias they can make it the better...

[Wiggs]

This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won 

lol...good ol bullshite at work.  not the first or last time. This is what i'm talking about.

[Rearden Metal]

Highly unlikely...you would need ALL the judges conspiring for the same cause, and as individuals, their score only accounts to a mean average as the highs and lows are thrown out...sometimes 2 high and 2 low scores to insure against exactly what you're talking about...

This might be true. It may be that there's no collusion at all. But how hard would it be to put up partitions around the judges so they couldn't interact at all? Would cost almost nothing and would make collusion much more difficult.

[James Blunt]

This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won 

That women was unhealthy lookin skinny. LOL at the classic WHAT!! @ 11 seconds in.

[Flexb]

That women was unhealthy lookin skinny. LOL at the classic WHAT!! @ 11 seconds in.

If you watched the Bachelor last season she was in the top 3-4 girls at the end. My girl watches it so I have to  She also worked one of the booths at the Arnolds 2 years ago and got punched out in her hotel room by another booth model, fighting over the washroom. No joke

[James Blunt]

If you watched the Bachelor last season she was in the top 3-4 girls at the end. My girl watches it so I have to  She also worked one of the booths at the Arnolds 2 years ago and got punched out in her hotel room by another booth model, fighting over the washroom. No joke

Crazy little fun facts. Apparently she isn't liked. The bachelor makes me want to shit my pants though. Fakest people you'll ever see.

[Howard]

It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...

That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...

You are both right ad wrong here Bob. While we both know there is no grand conspiracy ,some overlap exists between fiscal interest aka company reps/sponsors  and judging/meet officials. It is a simple matter of pro BB being a lot smaller and inuslar than other pro sports.
In plain talk, the judges are often too familiar and involved with many of the pros they judge.
The last few NPC shows I judged , I was the ONLY judge that made my living OUTSIDE of the gym/fitness/supplement industry.
From my perspective a very insular culture exists within the business of BB that is NOT too open to those who don't work in it.