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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.

When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.


Oh no, not at one time or anything. However if the weight used is enough to induce hypertrophy, there will be systematic fatigue built in regardless of the method.

These factors need to be considered on any program:

Total training load required
Repetition range required
Rest between workouts
Proper Neural learning considerations
Systematic fatigue management

It is like when a guy does a volume program straight out of a magazine and makes progress for awhile and then it stops, and he feels like crap, less energy, signs of mild overtraining. This is over reaching, the need arises to deload or you reach the General Adaptation stage of exhaustion, or overtraining. Most guys get sick before they enter over training. Instead, you should train to where you over reach, which is where your performance decreases slightly, bar speed slows down, and the trainee feels fatigued doing things that came natural before.

Traditional bodybuilding methods do not account for systematic fatigue, and thus an intermediate stays an intermediate unless they understand the concept. Guys can lose a lot of time swapping out routines and think incorrectly about this, years even.

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Basile=talking loud,and saying nothing!

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Basile=talking loud,and saying nothing!

He is on the right track with his total localized stimulation theory, but eventually you must deload. That doesn't mean take a week off, but reducing the sets and even days trained works wonders. I drop my arm workout and only do 1 set of everything and try to break my records, then I go back to the same routine and try to be stronger and stronger.

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Basile=talking loud,and saying nothing!

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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.

When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.


hey dickbreath, before this goes on for 200 more pages, why don't you just do this :

exercise - reps x weight
cardio - duration x intensity

fill in the blanks.
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I never offered programs per se but a method to trigger and sustain hypertrophy in body parts. This should avoid systemic fatigue. I think most programs involve too many muscles and that can put too much stress on many people. There are plenty of methods to stimulate growth but few that explain the lack of growth in many individuals. You need to address both for a theory to explain everything.

When I stimulate hypertrophy in my lats, for example, it feels like something has invaded that area and I would not want to have this throughout the body.


i would like to have at you with a blunted stabbing weapon.....you creepy guy

please address you involvement with this video by the way.....there is no longer room for dishonesty ::) ::)


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Which is only correct method for natural bodybuilder, and which will give you greatest results, IF YOU DO IT RIGHT. What comes this "calorie is a calorie"- genius who is incapable to follow any instructions, even very simple ones like "shut the fuck up", there is no hope in this world. Why? You need some intelligence if you want to build your muscles, and he doesn't have any. In past four years he has proven how stupid he is and now he want some help from Vince, who couldn't care less. Gee, I wonder why... ::)

Bodybuilding is quite simple and easy but still most of you doesn't understand it. You need a pile of instructions and programs and you read them from the magazines and these forums. 80% of you follow the program which you have read somewhere without knowing is it suitable for you at all. Instead of that, you should use your so called brains and think about the matter. What you really need? Few basic exercises per muscle group, good range of motion and good technique. You also need to know your muscles and what is the propose of them. For example, how about the abs? If we simplify hell out of the matter, their purpose is scroll your upper body around your belly button, so which is better exercise, sit up or crunch? For sit up you use 40% your abs and 60% your hip flexors, and with the crunch you use 80% of your abs and 20% of your hip flexors, so do the math. It is useless to try to work out your abs with the exercises where your middle section is complete flat, because there is much better ways to do it and you benefit more with them.

Your latissimus lift your body up when you hang with your hands in branch of the tree, and that is what it does best, so why 80% of you do bent over rows while standing almost straight up? You need that bend over posture to make most of the movement with your latissimus, not with your traps and strength of your upper back, because there is better exercises for those muscles. And when you hang on that pull down machine, try this: Instead of how you usually yank the bar down while leaning back as far as you can, just sit straight and while you pull the bar down, bend your upper body lifting your chest and pulling your shoulder blades together. What you find out is that you cannot use as much weight, which means that your latissimus doesn't do the work when you use your old method, so how it could grow? What I am saying here is best advise you can get, and it mean that you must go back to basics, and that is all. You don't need any super special hyper pro moves to grow muscles, so you save a lot of time if you learn the basics and do them right. Then, when you reach your limit and you have full and big muscles, you can make a most of them by using some tuning exercises, but you really don't need those any sooner.
good post!

drop the gimmick

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Oh no, not at one time or anything. However if the weight used is enough to induce hypertrophy, there will be systematic fatigue built in regardless of the method.

These factors need to be considered on any program:

Total training load required
Repetition range required
Rest between workouts
Proper Neural learning considerations
Systematic fatigue management

It is like when a guy does a volume program straight out of a magazine and makes progress for awhile and then it stops, and he feels like crap, less energy, signs of mild overtraining. This is over reaching, the need arises to deload or you reach the General Adaptation stage of exhaustion, or overtraining. Most guys get sick before they enter over training. Instead, you should train to where you over reach, which is where your performance decreases slightly, bar speed slows down, and the trainee feels fatigued doing things that came natural before.

Traditional bodybuilding methods do not account for systematic fatigue, and thus an intermediate stays an intermediate unless they understand the concept. Guys can lose a lot of time swapping out routines and think incorrectly about this, years even.
another good post!

drop the gimmick

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another good post!

drop the gimmick

I am not a gimmick, I promise.

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Please email me if you want to try this program. It has to be followed exactly otherwise we are both wasting our time.

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Gotta love how adonis carrots-and-sticks all the way to the end ;D

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After exploring gravity suits and all manner of unusual programs, it takes Adonis 4 years to see the light! Doesn't seem like he was convinced before so why should I advise him now? As a professional in the industry it isn't right to give advice for free online. I have put out my ideas and they were published in 2000 and 2001 in Ironman Magazine. I am sure if Adonis searches HST forum he will find plenty of information. With his intellect he should be able to work out exactly what to do. That way he can take full credit if he makes any gains.

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Chick is a professional in the industry and has given out plenty of valuable training and diet info over the years.


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Vince Basille intellectual and founding father of body building  ::)
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Lifting weights is VERY complicated.

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After exploring gravity suits and all manner of unusual programs, it takes Adonis 4 years to see the light! Doesn't seem like he was convinced before so why should I advise him now? As a professional in the industry it isn't right to give advice for free online. I have put out my ideas and they were published in 2000 and 2001 in Ironman Magazine. I am sure if Adonis searches HST forum he will find plenty of information. With his intellect he should be able to work out exactly what to do. That way he can take full credit if he makes any gains.

no one considers you an industry professional.......you are a fat old man who leeches on the periphery of the bodybuilding-forum subculture like a parasite.

your name is thrown around in the same contextual dialogue as vince goodrum, true adonis, sevastase.........just another one of the freaks, derelicts, and miscreants.....who latched on to the fitness culture in a pathetic attempt to obtain recognition and forge and identity.


now, i already asked you to kill yourself.......i shouldnt have to ask you a second time.....be a good guy, and end your life :-\ :-\