The ONLY reason Nasser lost the 97 Olympia

[JP_RC]

I've seen different pictures from the 97 Olympia, Dorian is clearly beating everyone on some (mostly the back shots) and Nasser has Dorian beat on others. Shawn and Levrone looked great too, but they were not good enough at this particular year to win the Olympia or beat Dorian and Nasser.

Now between Dorian and Nasser, I don't know for sure. Both have advantages and flaws compared to each other.
I think this video can give a better idea of that show (the quality isn't very good though):

I can see Dorian winning due to his conditioning, but its close.

[JP_RC]

Of course theyre is,... but i was intentionally being very basic, for teh specific reason that Nasser had no back,... so all the other shit just went out the window.

And if you really look at the judging, really, you guys want to complicate it, but the biggest best conditioned man with decent symmetry always seems to win.

I agree, Dorian had conditioning and back development over Nasser, but it was close.

I agree on the judging part, it appears to be the way you're saying.

[Tarantula157]

Dorian's gut at 2:45 is disgusting

[johnny1]

pics are meaningless...thats why I laugh at you guys constantly posting pics where "your guy"...looks better. In every video I have ever seen Dorian looks so much thicker and drier than everyone else onstage its ridiculous. Also when you see Nassers back on video you can tell how soft and shitty it was.....not slamming Nassers, i speak the truth. Vids tell a better story.

Yes, the main one being Dorian being thicker and drier in the Videos (when comparing those in question @ THE TIME they were competing against one another) As ND has said you could give Nasser the 1997 O, however after comparing the 2 @ the Same show in 1997 on VHS NOT PICTURES, No personally id give it to Dorian due to being STILL being better conditioned overall better than the others Nasser included key word CONDITIONED, i would think a better case for the Nasser may be made vs Yates @ the 1996 show due to Nasser's very good conditioning over his 1997 vintage...however you can not gain a result if you have been Disqualified for taking Diuretics going from 3rd to last AFTER THE FACT, so 1997 re: Nasser is being used as the Yard stick in Pictures time and time again.  

[Sherief Shalaby]

No, its the fact that you have tunnel vision.
I might not agree with Dorians win, but I understand why they awarded him the O.
Obviously you cannot fathom that someone may have their own opinion, but understand why theyre opinion is incorrect. 

Look, ill spell it out for you.
The judges want the biggest best conditioned man with a huge back.
Just cause I think that Nasser looked better and I would have awarded Nasser the O doesnt mean the judges share my opinion. Obviously they didnt. So you can go on and on with why your opinion is correct and this and that, but quite frankly the guys who judge contests dont agree with you, so your opinion is moot.

Judges = want the biggest, most conditioned guy with a huge back.
Nasser = No back.
Nasser = lose.

This is why I say I may not agree with the judges, but I understand why they gave him the win. I know youre too dense to understand that, but please try and wrap your head around the idea that a person can have an opinion that contradicts someone elses opinion. 

lol at "the judges want some one with a big back"!!.. what a rule

believe it or not but the olympia is not won by anyone even if he deserves to win!!.. after lee haney retired they wanted to create another legend, a dominant unbeatable champ and sure dorian was the man to go with.. they didnt want to take anything from dorian's legend so gave him the title again one more time in his last year although he didnt deserve it AT ALL..

then by the next year (1998) they decided not to give the title to ray, nasser, or, levrone or wheeler simply because all these guys had been beaten before by the now retired dorian (either deservedly or not) and ppl would have said about any of them "he won only because dorian was not there".. sure ronnie too had been defeated by dorian and all the others many times but he was never a top finisher at the olympia, he was always the guy who was coming after the top guys.. then after his great improvements they saw him as the new legend,.. the new hero,.. the 2nd level guy who was able to beat all the top guys to be the king!!.. i am not saying ronnie didnt deserved to win in 1998 but sure after being the dominant champ they kept giving him the title when he deserved and when he did not like they had done with dorian.. he lost to jay in 2006 only because jay was chosen to be the man after ronnie and ronnie was 40+!!.. they made jay the new legend who defeated the great ron to dominate the others after him!!..

in 2008 jay lost to dex. (who deserved to win but was not a dominant champ suitable to be a legend) only because the fans were still angry he had looked like shit but still had beaten martinz the previous year.. he had to look very good in 2008 to win but he looked bad again!!.. dex in 2008 was the same as in 2007 so how come to be beaten by a very bad jay in 2007 then to beat a bad (without very) jay in 2008!!..

i agree it's not good for the olympia as a unique contest to be won by a diff. guy every year or every couple of years,.. like this it will be like any other contest.. i agree it's more interesting to be won many times by a dominant champ, this gives it more importance.. i agree with this as something interesting but not as the right thing to be done because on the other hand this is very bad for the pros. and for the credibility of the sportm,.. especially on the long run!!..

[mesmorph78]

Lee and dillet the look at Dorians toothpick arms in the video... 

[SF1900]

With regard to the 97 O and any other Mr. O, I assume the person with the most complete package wins. If this is the case, Shawn Ray or Levrone should have won the 97 O. Heck, I think Levrone looked the best. I couldn't pick out any outstanding flaws like you can with Dorian (arms, stomach) and Nasser (back). But I definitely do see how Nasser could have beaten Dorian.

[Sherief Shalaby]

and here is the pre-judging (bad quality but still clear enough to judge)!!..

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/video/video.php?v=55894647095

[Sherief Shalaby]

hey ND you dorian's cock sucker,.. every time i list your stupid opinions like fux had a small waste and nasser was not built to be a mass monster you always ask me to show you where you said this.. ok check this whole thread below (only 2 pages) where you mentioned that it was not good for nasser to add more size and when i asked you a logical question "but he started to be a top pro. only when he added size" you turned to contradict yourself in a typical ND stupid way like saying "being lucky in certain shows dont mean it was good for him balala bla bla"..

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312184.msg4457369#msg4457369

[NarcissisticDeity]

hey ND you dorian's cock sucker,.. every time i list your stupid opinions like fux had a small waste and nasser was not built to be a mass monster you always ask me to show you where you said this.. ok check this whole thread below (only 2 pages) where you mentioned that it was not good for nasser to add more size and when i asked you a logical question "but he started to be a top pro. only when he added size" you turned to contradict yourself in a typical ND stupid way like saying "being lucky in certain shows dont mean it was good for him balala bla bla"..

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=312184.msg4457369#msg4457369

Thanks for posting the link where you prove you're a liar dumbass

no where did I ever claim Nasser was not built to be a mass-monster

keep making up lies you little troll when you're reduced to things like this it shows how desperate you are , you're in good company with Hulkster another troll who is reduced to making things up

[Tarantula157]

With regard to the 97 O and any other Mr. O, I assume the person with the most complete package wins. If this is the case, Shawn Ray or Levrone should have won the 97 O. Heck, I think Levrone looked the best. I couldn't pick out any outstanding flaws like you can with Dorian (arms, stomach) and Nasser (back). But I definitely do see how Nasser could have beaten Dorian.

x2
If Nasser wasn't good enogh to beat the career worst Dorian,sure there were other great champions with complete physiques.Shawn Ray and Kevin Levrone should have been 1st and 2nd,then Nasser in 3rd.Dorian didn't even belonged to the top 3 in 97.

[Hulkster]

Lee and dillet the look at Dorians toothpick arms in the video... 

yeah, its too bad he had to stand in between two of the greatest pairs of arms ever in that double bi, and his are some of the worst ever (by that point in his career)

[Hulkster]

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If Nasser wasn't good enogh to beat the career worst Dorian,sure there were other great champions with complete physiques.Shawn Ray and Kevin Levrone should have been 1st and 2nd,then Nasser in 3rd.Dorian didn't even belonged to the top 3 in 97.

I agree shawn looked amazing in 97.

dorian looked great from the back, awful from the front.

[Nirvana]

here's a fun fact about nasser in 97, it was nowhere near his best condition, and he still should have won it

[HugeAl]

here's a fun fact about nasser in 97, it was nowhere near his best condition, and he still should have won it

He had the physique and conditioning to win at least 3 Olympias. The x3 uncrowned is conservative. It's little wonder that so many people on the forums are outraged by the amount of times he was robbed unfairly. It's a testament to the man's personality that he manages to remain so sanguine in the face of such corruption.

[suckmymuscle]

NO back and lackluster conditioning.

  Nasser lost in 97' because he lacked muscular thickness in his latissimus and also pectoralis muscles compared to Dorian, which resulted in him losing the two back and side mandatories to Dorian. He won the two front mandatories that don't involve the lats and that was it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Tarantula157]

Dorian's left upperarm has the size of Nasser's forearms in that RLS shot.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Dorian's left upperarm has the size of Nasser's forearms in that RLS shot.

at most!!..

[the_swami]

X3

It's amazing how the pumpkinheads point to Nassers back as if it was horrible.  Yes Dorian had a slight edge on Nasser in the back, but from the front the pharaoh of muscle was in a class by himself.  A rare combination of jaw dropping size and breathtaking aesthetics (not to mention movie star good looks), Nasser should have won that Olympia (and two others, at least!)

I find it laughable that people clown Nasser's back.  I wish I had that "crappy" of a back any day of the week.  Still like the wise ones have mentioned in the thread, what about judging from the front?  I bet if you showed 100 people the photos from that show, at least 90% would pick the wizard as the champion.  The Pharaoh had bigger arms, better legs, and a much superior midsection.  He was clearly the champ that year.

x4!!

Dorian beats Nasser in the RDB- one pose only.

Nasser beats dorian in the RLS AND EVERY OTHER MANDOTROY POSE.

[NarcissisticDeity]

x4!!

Dorian beats Nasser in the RDB- one pose only.

Nasser beats dorian in the RLS AND EVERY OTHER MANDOTROY POSE.

Kevin Horton

GetBig 4/18/08

The show is not won on a single pose, or part of one. If you judge that shot purely as a biceps shot then Nasser wins. Add the rest of the physique into the argument and it's very close. Dorian has better lars, abs, probably thighs and certainly calves. But for your argument we'll say Nasser wins.
Now they went into the front lat spread. Dorian a clear winner.
Side chest. Dorian wins again.
Side triceps. Clear winner. The only person who has ever come close to Dorian in that shot is Alexander Federov but he wasn't competing :-)
Back double biceps. Dorian wins.
Rear lat spread. Dorian wins
Abbs and thigh. Dorian wins.


he corrected you on this a LONG time ago and FYI he was there 

[Sherief Shalaby]

Kevin Horton

GetBig 4/18/08

The show is not won on a single pose, or part of one. If you judge that shot purely as a biceps shot then Nasser wins. Add the rest of the physique into the argument and it's very close. Dorian has better lars, abs, probably thighs and certainly calves. But for your argument we'll say Nasser wins.
Now they went into the front lat spread. Dorian a clear winner.
Side chest. Dorian wins again.
Side triceps. Clear winner. The only person who has ever come close to Dorian in that shot is Alexander Federov but he wasn't competing :-)
Back double biceps. Dorian wins.
Rear lat spread. Dorian wins
Abbs and thigh. Dorian wins.


he corrected you on this a LONG time ago and FYI he was there 

to say that dorian had better abs and probably thighs than nasser on that day or ever is just funny.. really funny and you ND are the biggest cock sucker of dorian on the planet but i am sure even you dont agree with this opinion which you are ironically posting as a prove!!..

horton was/is a good photographer but this doesnt mean he is automatically a good physiques judge,.. actually if he really said this he doesnt know a shit about judging a physique!!..

[the_swami]

who is Kevin Horton?

dorian's friend and the guy who made dorian's video 

[Shockwave]

Well, really, it doesnt matter because no matter how any of us feel, Dorian won, Nasser, lost. 

[Jonny34]

The ONLY reason Nasser lost the 97 Olympia.

[Shockwave]

The ONLY reason Nasser lost the 97 Olympia.

What, the lat spread, the Weiders, or both ?