Dalai Lama

[SF1900]

I am seeing the Dalai Lama give a lecture at Radio City Music Hall. Hopefully I get to meet him That would be pretty epic!

[lovemonkey]

Meh, don't be such a drama llama.

[SF1900]

Meh, don't be such a drama llama.

lol.

Hey, it will be cool to see him talk! I am very excited about it! 

[Mr Nobody]

I am seeing the Dalai Lama give a lecture at Radio City Music Hall. Hopefully I get to meet him That would be pretty epic!

Can you send me flight ticket SF I'd would really like to hear his words.

[James Blunt]

I wonder if he'll posedown? Maybe hit a few most musculars, roll around in his underwear.... doin the shake and bake quad shot?  

[~UN_$ung~]

lol.

Hey, it will be cool to see him talk! I am very excited about it! 

fuck that bore...bunch of guilt-ridden white liberals tripping over each other to tap into his "wisdom"

[SF1900]

Can you send me flight ticket SF I'd would really like to hear his words.

Book a flight right now! 

[SF1900]

fuck that bore...bunch of guilt-ridden white liberals tripping over each other to tap into his "wisdom"

Yeah, you're sort of way off base if you think that's why I am going 

As a social constructionist, I don't think he has any more wisdom about life than the person that grew up dirt poor trying to make ends meet. Both have wisdom. And both have their own subjective reality of the Truth.

I am just going to see him talk because I think it will be interesting. I don't have any desire to tap into his "wisdom," nor will I take it for the absolute Truth. I am just going for the experience.

[ShipSekki]

fuck that bore...bunch of guilt-ridden white liberals tripping over each other to tap into his "wisdom"

 When he visits the USA that's usually what it is basically.

 But the guy is really smart and wise. He's spent his whole life meditating and thinking and living the life holy man. And at the same time is a powerful political and social figure. He's definitely an interesting guy with interesting things to say.

[Mr Nobody]

Book a flight right now! 

Thanks man, seriously I wish I could be there post up some quotes after you go.

[SF1900]

Thanks man, seriously I wish I could be there post up some quotes after you go.

Yeah, it should be interesting. I will let you know how it goes. After the lecture, I am hitting up The Museum of Natural History. A day of learning. WOOT!

[Mr Nobody]

Yeah, it should be interesting. I will let you know how it goes. After the lecture, I am hitting up The Museum of Natural History. A day of learning. WOOT!

History is cool

[~UN_$ung~]

Yeah, you're sort of way off base if you think that's why I am going 

As a social constructionist, I don't think he has any more wisdom about life than the person that grew up dirt poor trying to make ends meet. Both have wisdom. And both have their own subjective reality of the Truth.

I am just going to see him talk because I think it will be interesting. I don't have any desire to tap into his "wisdom," nor will I take it for the absolute Truth. I am just going for the experience.

i would disagree with that.....while everyone possesses their own intrinsic wisdom.....the dali lama would probably possess more wisdom and truth then most of america's population combined.....he has spend his entire life commiserating with some of the smartest individuals in the world......he probably has a LOT more to offer intellectually then most fo the rest of the world put together

[ShipSekki]

Yeah, you're sort of way off base if you think that's why I am going 

As a social constructionist, I don't think he has any more wisdom about life than the person that grew up dirt poor trying to make ends meet. Both have wisdom. And both have their own subjective reality of the Truth.

I am just going to see him talk because I think it will be interesting. I don't have any desire to tap into his "wisdom," nor will I take it for the absolute Truth. I am just going for the experience.

 Some people really do have more wisdom than others. Especially old people who have lived long full lives, and people who have traveled a lot and done a lot. I think youre taking the "everyone is equally wise" theory a little too far.

[SF1900]

Some people really do have more wisdom than others. Especially old people who have lived long full lives, and people who have traveled a lot and done a lot. I think youre taking the "everyone is equally wise" theory a little too far.

I don't think so at all. First, we must define what wisdom is? Say, an operational definition for its construct.

Second, what about the kid who grows up in the ghetto, but never was able to talk to world leaders like the Dalai Lama? What if the this kid makes something of himself? He beats the odds.  Does he have less wisdom than the Dalai Lama? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. However, it is a different kind of wisdom.

And yes, I take it too far because that is my orientation. I am a relativist.

[ShipSekki]

I don't think so at all. First, we must define what wisdom is? Say, an operational definition for its construct.

Second, what about the kid who grows up in the ghetto, but never was able to talk to world leaders like the Dalai Lama? What if the this kid makes something of himself? He beats the odds.  Does he have less wisdom than the Dalai Lama? Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. However, it is a different kind of wisdom.

And yes, I take it too far because that is my orientation. I am a relativist.

 If two people grow up in the exact same environment and have the exact same experiences. One of them with an open mind might gain a ton of wisdom and see a lot.

 Another person who is stupid with a closed mind might not learn very much at all.

 It's all about mindset. Some people are in a mindset where they let the wisdom come in and they learn a lot. Other people are in more of a simple-minded, closed-off sory of state of mind.

 Relativism is interesting and holds a lot of truth. But it's kinda silly to tke it to it's 100% absolute extreme. Reality obviously doesn't operate in accordance to it.

[SF1900]

i would disagree with that.....while everyone possesses their own intrinsic wisdom.....the dali lama would probably possess more wisdom and truth then most of america's population combined.....he has spend his entire life commiserating with some of the smartest individuals in the world......he probably has a LOT more to offer intellectually then most fo the rest of the world put together

But how does one quantify wisdom? How do we accurately measure who has more wisdom than someone else? Sure, the Dalai Lama has wisdom when it comes to world affairs, social and political issues. But what about the person who grew up blind and deaf? Or the person who grew up handicapped. Surely they have just as much wisdom as the Dalai Lama. Its just in a different area. To be able to deal with life while being blind and deaf would take a great deal of Existential wisdom.

And why would the Dalai Lama possess more Truth than the person who grew up blind or deaf? I don't see the correlation. Point one out to me please.

[SF1900]

If two people grow up in the exact same environment and have the exact same experiences. One of them with an open mind might gain a ton of wisdom and see a lot.

 Another person who is stupid with a closed mind might not learn very much at all.

 It's all about mindset. Some people are in a mindset where they let the wisdom come in and they learn a lot. Other people are in more of a simple-minded, closed-off sory of state of mind.

 Relativism is interesting and holds a lot of truth. But it's kinda silly to tke it to it's 100% absolute extreme. Reality obviously doesn't operate in accordance to it.

Well, of course you have to have an open mind in order to gain wisdom or insight. That is obviously a pre-requisite. However, if 2 people have way 2 different experiences (the Dalai Lama and some poor kid in the ghetto), and both are open minded, then their Truth will be dependent upon their own subjective perceptions. This doesn't  mean that the Dalai Lama has more wisdom than the kid in the ghetto because the Dalai Lama talks to world leaders.

[ShipSekki]

But how does one quantify wisdom? How do we accurately measure who has more wisdom than someone else? Sure, the Dalai Lama has wisdom when it comes to world affairs, social and political issues. But what about the person who grew up blind and deaf? Or the person who grew up handicapped. Surely they have just as much wisdom as the Dalai Lama. Its just in a different area. To be able to deal with life while being blind and deaf would take a great deal of Existential wisdom.

And why would the Dalai Lama possess more Truth than the person who grew up blind or deaf? I don't see the correlation. Point one out to me please.

 The Dalai Lama focuses his attention on gaining wisdom and meditating.

 Other people focus on working, drinking, fucking, lifting weights or whatever.

 He focused his energy properly. That's they key to the life of a monk.

 And as a political leader. He has VERY interesting things to say in that area.

[SF1900]

The Dalai Lama focuses his attention on gaining wisdom and meditating.

 Other people focus on working, drinking, fucking, lifting weights or whatever.

 He focused his energy properly. That's they key to the life of a monk.

 And as a political leader. He has VERY interesting things to say in that area.

Again, back to subjectivity. You said "he focuses his energy properly." Who is to say what is "proper." Tribes in Africa focus their energy on harvesting and hunting food. They focus on survival. You have to be pretty wise to stay alive when faced with such extreme conditions. Most tribes in Africa can't spend their energy as the Dalai Lama does because they might not have the resources or time. Does this make their energy purposeless? Or does it make it different? In their opinion, their energy is purposeful. Is this okay for you? Or do you just have something against the way Americans live (fucking, lifting and drinking)?

[ShipSekki]

Again, back to subjectivity. You said "he focuses his energy properly." Who is to say what is "proper." Tribes in Africa focus their energy on harvesting and hunting food. They focus on survival. You have to be pretty wise to stay alive when faced with such extreme conditions. Most tribes in Africa can't spend their energy as the Dalai Lama does because they might not have the resources or time. Does this make their energy purposeless? Or does it make it different? In their opinion, their energy is purposeful. Is this okay for you? Or do you just have something against the way Americans live (fucking, lifting and drinking)?

 You can meditate and be conscious while hunting, or farming, or working or anything else. You can be conscious and turn anything into a meditation at any time.

 But, 99.99% of the people out there simply don't do this unless they are on some kind of spiritual path guiding them to do so.

 Many hunter-gatherers are very wise a spiritually evolved because they do not have the trappings of the modern materialistic world like we have. Internet, clubs, TV, Youtube, Ipods, neon signs, traffic, etc. etc. The are just living in a more quiet and natural world without overstimulation of the senses and it's more conducive to introspective spiritual endeavors.

[SF1900]

You can meditate and be conscious while hunting, or farming, or working or anything else. You can be conscious and turn anything into a meditation at any time.

 But, 99.99% of the people out there simply don't do this unless they are on some kind of spiritual path guiding them to do so.

 Many hunter-gatherers are very wise a spiritually evolved because they do not have the trappings of the modern materialistic world like we have. Internet, clubs, TV, Youtube, Ipods, neon signs, traffic, etc. etc. The are just living in a more quiet and natural world without overstimulation of the senses and it's more conducive to introspective spiritual endeavors.

Well, I am wise enough to yield when another good point is made     I agree that the overstimulation of technology might be taken away our quest for wisdom. However, if one does seek a spiritual enlightenment, than one can gather just as much wisdom as the Dalai Lama without talking to world leaders and being a political figure. That is when it becomes contextual. When 2 parties both seek wisdom, both have the potential to acquire wisdom, just a different kind. And this does not mean that one has more wisdom than the other. Just a different kind.

[ShipSekki]

Well, I am wise enough to yield when another good point is made     I agree that the overstimulation of technology might be taken away our quest for wisdom. However, if one does seek a spiritual enlightenment, than one can gather just as much wisdom as the Dalai Lama without talking to world leaders and being a political figure. That is when it becomes contextual. When 2 parties both seek wisdom, both have the potential to acquire wisdom, just a different kind. And this does not mean that one has more wisdom than the other. Just a different kind.

 The Dalai Lama's political and spiritual acheivements are definitely two very seperate things. His spiritual achievements could have been had all the same even if he was a poor hermit and a wandering holy man.

 His political experiences are incredibly interesting but they are of a material nature, they are not spiritual achievements. Although they can be turned into such if they are viewed with a clear mind.

 Spirituality is an introspective thing. It doesnt matter what kind of life a person lives in the material world, all that matters is where they go in their inner world. But also, having your aterial life set up in a certain way will make it much easier to fully explore the inner world.

[SF1900]

The Dalai Lama's political and spiritual acheivements are definitely two very seperate things. His spiritual achievements could have been had all the same even if he was a poor hermit and a wandering holy man.

 His political experiences are incredibly interesting but they are of a material nature, they are not spiritual achievements. Although they can be turned into such if they are viewed with a clear mind.

 Spirituality is an introspective thing. It doesnt matter what kind of life a person lives in the material world, all that matters is where they go in their inner world. But also, having your aterial life set up in a certain way will make it much easier to fully explore the inner world.

Well, his political experience can be considered spiritual if he takes the political insight he has gained and turns it into something productive. Spirituality does not have to exist as purely introspective. I do not agree with this. Doing a good deed in the external world can be considered extremely spiritual and wisdom oriented.

But this brings us to another questions: does wisdom lead to good deeds, or does good deeds lead to wisdom? 

[ShipSekki]

Well, his political experience can be considered spiritual if he takes the political insight he has gained and turns it into something productive. Spirituality does not have to exist as purely introspective. I do not agree with this. Doing a good deed in the external world can be considered extremely spiritual and wisdom oriented.

But this brings us to another questions: does wisdom lead to good deeds, or does good deeds lead to wisdom? 

 I don't think good deeds create wisdom. They just create good Karma. Which is a seperate thing.

 Before I got interesting in Buddhism I was really, really into Native American spirituality. And with most of these schools of thought, doing good deeds is not really emphasized. There are stories of Native American wisemen killing people if they must, etc.

 Lot's a Buudha's teachings are misunderstood. And just like Christianity, they've been twisted and changed over the centuries.