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The Rules!
« on: May 24, 2010, 06:43:15 PM »
The Rules!


when it comes to training, the proof is in the pudding.

there are hundreds of books, ebooks, dvds etc dedicated to particular methods of training. some claim their way is the only effective way. some insist that certain ways wont work at all.

the idea of a "perfect training program" is flawed.

there isnt a single perfect program. you have only relative effectiveness. you can have a "best" training program. and a "second best". and so on.

but the first rule overrides any "best" program.. it is rule number one:

1. Periodization is king.
  -"everything works, but nothing works forever".
     a)  even the best possible program can be adapted to by the body.
        

the second rule is a more commonly known of principle, but few people actually abide by it. this is the principle of progressive overload.

2. you must always get stronger.
   -Kaizen method: small, incremental changes in weight week by week.
      a) either more weight for equal reps, or more reps with equal weight.
      



these are two rules to bodybuilding training. lets come up with some more

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 07:03:25 PM »
"true failure" is a misnomer. there is no such thing as "true failure", there is only "perceived failure".

perceived failure is the point when gravity's force over comes your own, when yor pushing(or pulling) "as hard as you can push" and you cant get the bar to move.

for all intensive purpouses, we can just use the term failure ineterchangably with perceived failure.


going to the point of "failure" causes significant trauma to the body, and hampers the ability of the body to recover. because of this, if one is goign to lift to the point of failure, their total volume of training must be low enough to compensat for the added demands on their recovery ability.


because of this fact, two distinct types of training emerge:

low volume, failure training

high volume, sub-failure training

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 07:34:53 PM »
i do low volume/too failure..........i work out upperbody 2 times a week.....

monday chest shoulders and tri's.......very heavy.as many sets as it takes for the perfect one, ussually doesnt take long..till i throw up or pass out....only compound movements...HAVE 8OZ of orange juice....then i do 1 set of chins till perceived failure, and 1 set of Olympic bar only curls till perceived failure

tues=run

wed=legs

thur=run

friday= reverse of monday

sat=run

i always have people asking me if this is overkill, and does running affect my leg growth.....NO.....

training is individual, nobody grows the same....i am the biggest and strongest i have been since i was a walking pharmacy...

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 09:39:19 PM »
People can spend more time coming up with questions than providing answers...

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 09:13:44 AM »
DyLex gives one of the best statement on all time on GB. So many dumb questions, so little time. Questions that could be answers so easily if the people asking would just move their lazy ass and do a simple search. They expect others to do the thinking for them. Really no experts on GB (me included) who have all the answers. Some of us may have a bit more experience, that's about it. Can always learn from that, if willing. But we never have (or will) the ultimate training answer.

Don't know about any #1 rule but there are certain truths in BB'ing/Lifting.

 Some truths might be; Whatever works for you, works for you.  3 reps will do for you what 20 will not. And 20 reps will do for you what 3 will not. Your responsibility, through experience,is to find your personal rep, set and days a week training range. Don't rely on how others train, or the next super duper can't miss training scheme that comes along.  A short and to the point intense workout, without attempting failure, may be a starting point for most avenues of success. Just to add that recovery allows the body to adapt to the next training session. Recovery can be thought of as a element of most importance in progressive BB'ing. Or Pl'ing for that matter. Good Luck.


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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 07:44:41 AM »
DyLex gives one of the best statement on all time on GB. So many dumb questions, so little time. Questions that could be answers so easily if the people asking would just move their lazy ass and do a simple search. They expect others to do the thinking for them. Really no experts on GB (me included) who have all the answers. Some of us may have a bit more experience, that's about it. Can always learn from that, if willing. But we never have (or will) the ultimate training answer.

Don't know about any #1 rule but there are certain truths in BB'ing/Lifting.

 Some truths might be; Whatever works for you, works for you.  3 reps will do for you what 20 will not. And 20 reps will do for you what 3 will not. Your responsibility, through experience,is to find your personal rep, set and days a week training range. Don't rely on how others train, or the next super duper can't miss training scheme that comes along.  A short and to the point intense workout, without attempting failure, may be a starting point for most avenues of success. Just to add that recovery allows the body to adapt to the next training session. Recovery can be thought of as a element of most importance in progressive BB'ing. Or Pl'ing for that matter. Good Luck.

JPM:  do you ever think going to failure is good?  I like to go to failure quite a bit and find good success with it.     Thoughts? 

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 08:54:18 AM »
Sure, we can all apply going to failure, and beyond (forced reps, drop sets for example), for results. It is another protocol of training. More of a shock and awe approach, but  with a short period of limited sets and more spaced out workouts. Do not want to make going to failure a core part of any or all workout. As, every set of every exercise. That becomes counterproductive as far as recovery and future progress goes.

If trying to go to the point of failure (momentary, complete and negative) than have it as the last set, or two, of a muscle group exercise. And maybe once or twice workouts every third  or forth week.

Guy's who do BB curls will do something like that, going to momentary failure (can not budge the bar at all) than have a workout partner(s) help lift the bar up to the top position of the curl. Than the curler will preform negative reps by slowly, and in control, lower the bar back down to the bottom position. Have taxed the positive phase of the curl, and with the negatives you will be taxing the negative portion of the curl. The negative action of most any exercise is much stronger than the positive. Your getting almost complete exhaustion of the muscle that way. Can use a DB, one arm at a time, either standing or sitting (cont. curl).  Benches, chins, squats, etc also work well with this training. Good Luck.
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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 03:39:58 PM »
watch fullblown. this is how you gotta train, nothing less

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2010, 02:08:52 PM »
Ronnie doesn't go to failure

neither did pearl.....samir.....arno ld.....zane.....haney... .ferrigno

sergio.....shawn ray....etc


many champs train to about 80-90 percent of failure

many do not perform forced reps....

i train alone.....so i depend only on myself to lift each and every weight

if i am going heavier than usual.....i might enlist the help of someone in the gym.....but that being said.....


you must get the weight up yourself and make sure to contract and lower the weight under control.....

and you will get more out of that style of training than having someone lift the iron for you.......just my input though.

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Re: The Rules!
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2010, 10:01:36 PM »
Ronnie doesn't go to failure

neither did pearl.....samir.....arno ld.....zane.....haney... .ferrigno

sergio.....shawn ray....etc


many champs train to about 80-90 percent of failure

many do not perform forced reps....

i train alone.....so i depend only on myself to lift each and every weight

if i am going heavier than usual.....i might enlist the help of someone in the gym.....but that being said.....


you must get the weight up yourself and make sure to contract and lower the weight under control.....

and you will get more out of that style of training than having someone lift the iron for you.......just my input though.
they didnt have to go to failure.....its called "heavy drug use"...

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