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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2010, 12:38:30 PM »
Again, not a single feasible solution or suggestion to how to stop the spill. Instead just whining about what Obama is doing.  Or not doing.

Not a single post that has anything of merit that can even pass for any kind of way to stop the spill.

Keep trying.

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2010, 12:49:20 PM »
Idiot.  He can't stop the spill, but can address the cleanup and getting the local people the resources to deal with the mess and getting the EPA off the states' back in building the barriers. 

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2010, 12:52:57 PM »
Idiot.  He can't stop the spill,

Then WTF do you keep crying and blaming him for it then?  Other than out of habit?

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2010, 12:54:25 PM »
I didnt say he can stop the spill, but thats not the only part of this.  The cleanup is also part of this and we pay taxes to the Federal Govt to deal with this stuff. 

 

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2010, 01:03:09 PM »
4.  Declare a state of ermegency to allow FEMA to go down there and hopefully get Jindle the booms and other stuff he needs.

last time that happened, the police were shooting unarmed ppl in the back lol... (katrina)

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2010, 01:04:50 PM »
I think people are saying:

1) They don't know a better solution
2) They know it is BP, not the govt, with the responsibility and skillset here
3) They wish Obama was down there in a lame PR effort, scrubbing rocks
4) They would criticize Obama for scrubbing rocks, saying he was pandering and wasting resources (it takes a lot of $ and men to protect him, while he scrubs rocks for 10 min for the cameras).

Right?

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2010, 01:05:15 PM »
Ha ha.  Maybe they should have shot more of them consdierng many went on to other states to commit crimes.   ;D  ;D

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2010, 05:48:03 PM »
I think people are saying:

1) They don't know a better solution
2) They know it is BP, not the govt, with the responsibility and skillset here
3) They wish Obama was down there in a lame PR effort, scrubbing rocks
4) They would criticize Obama for scrubbing rocks, saying he was pandering and wasting resources (it takes a lot of $ and men to protect him, while he scrubs rocks for 10 min for the cameras).

Right?

Can you explain why the govt. is dragging its feet on issuing the permits or whatever is required for the coastal states to start cleaning up and prevent more oil from hitting their shores? What stellar reasoning do they have for that?

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2010, 05:52:00 PM »
I dunno why.  They should obviously be issuing them immediately.  We agree there.

My point is realistically, he's not gonna do much by being on the ground.  If he was spending 6 weeks shaking hands with fisherman, we'd all be bitching about how he's ignoring everything else.  The WH has been issuing statements all along.  The CG has been floating right there with BP.  The WH has been keeping us abreast of all the failed methods/attempts.

I hear so many people saying "obama should be doing something" but they don't know what.


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2010, 05:53:38 PM »
I dunno why.  They should obviously be issuing them immediately.  We agree there.

My point is realistically, he's not gonna do much by being on the ground.  If he was spending 6 weeks shaking hands with fisherman, we'd all be bitching about how he's ignoring everything else.  The WH has been issuing statements all along.  The CG has been floating right there with BP.  The WH has been keeping us abreast of all the failed methods/attempts.

I hear so many people saying "obama should be doing something" but they don't know what.



He could start by following some of the recommendations in this article:

Mr. President, take command
By David Gergen, CNN contributor

CNN) -- Enough is enough! After the latest failure by BP to plug the gaping hole, it is time for President Obama to take full command of this growing national catastrophe. Immediately!

The president in his press conference this past Thursday assured the nation that he and his administration were already in charge and he has manfully taken personal responsibility -- "the buck stops here," he said, echoing Harry Truman. Well, it may be true that BP has been acting all along under the oversight of the federal government, but that supervision has been loose and ineffective.

To the world, it has been apparent that the government has been riding shotgun and BP has been at the wheel. It's time for the White House to get in the driver's seat and get us to safety -- fast.

First off, who can now trust BP to do the job right? From the beginning, it has appeared to be more interested in shoring up its stock price than in playing straight and solving the problem. It took reckless short cuts in opening up the rig, had no serious plan in place for a disaster, low-balled early estimates of the spill, has high-balled its chances of stopping the leak and has kept both the government and the public too much in the dark. And its efforts on shore are increasingly pathetic -- can it really have failed to protect the safety of beach workers and have stage managed the clean-up when Obama was there, as reported? It was a mistake to leave our fate in the hands of this company as long as we have.

Second, even if BP were reliable, the problem has clearly become too big for it to handle, as Colin Powell is now arguing on television. We have been told for days that the top kill procedure was BP's best hope for stopping the leak and if that failed, we would likely have to wait until BP drilled new wells which might be as late as August. We can't wait that long. BP is especially not up to the task of protecting our precious shorelines and cleaning up the beaches. For that, we need the organizational strength of the U.S. military.

Third, this catastrophe is increasingly threatening the nation's welfare. With a potentially dangerous storm season just around the corner, a continuing gush of oil will not only pose huge, long-term damage to the Gulf region but could easily wash the oil around the tip of Florida and up the East Coast. The loss to livelihoods, the economy and to ways of life would be immeasurable. It would be worse than Katrina and Exxon Valdez put together. Unless we solve this soon, this spill could do to off-shore drilling what Three Mile Island did to nuclear power -- darn near kill it. Obama is right that it is a wake-up call to end our addiction to oil, but we need some forms of off-shore oil as a bridge to that future.

Finally, Obama's leadership is increasingly at stake in this emergency. I thought Peggy Noonan was premature in arguing in the Wall Street Journal this weekend that the spill has already broken his presidency, but her column certainly gave pause. The cameras down at the bottom of the sea give us vivid reminders that this oil is spewing forth day after day after day -- almost like the daily television reminders we had of how long our hostages were held in Teheran while Jimmy Carter sat helplessly in the White House, the authority leaking out of his presidency.

What can the White House do? For starters:

-- Set up a daily command center in Washington where a presidentially appointed leader runs the show, calls the shots, coordinates the overall effort, briefs the president and briefs the country

-- Have two deputies, one to direct the leak-stoppage and the other to direct the clean-up. Ex-CEOs and generals would be excellent candidates

-- Summon all the major oil and drilling companies to the White House for emergency efforts to get the hole plugged

-- Get BP out of the picture for clean-up; just send it the bill. If it is still needed for hole-plugging, okay, but ensure that it answers every day to directions from the government. If BP needs new internal leadership, figure out how to get that done

-- Employ the U.S. military for organizational coordination and where needed, for anything else such as clean-up

-- Make more aggressive efforts to tap the best minds in the world for help

-- Provide the country with the kind of daily briefings that the military has mastered for wartime -- bring in people who are smart, straight and tough

-- Ensure that economic assistance is provided to families, small businesses and communities that need it with dispatch and generosity

-- Call off the finger pointing until we get out of this mess

-- And finally, very importantly, exercise the powers of leadership every day from the Oval Office

The whole country now has a keen interest in the White House now taking full command. Mr. President, it's your move. The nation cannot afford to wait that long -- the government needs to summon all the big oil and drilling companies to the White House on an emergency basis and seek faster answers.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/30/gergen.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=C2


I'm lost as to why he would rebuke offers of assistance from some of the most experienced drilling countries, drag his feet on letting the states start cleaning up, and then disappear while letting a company that continues to prove its ineptitude run the show.

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #85 on: June 02, 2010, 03:04:04 AM »
He could start by following some of the recommendations in this article:

I'm lost as to why he would rebuke offers of assistance from some of the most experienced drilling countries, drag his feet on letting the states start cleaning up, and then disappear while letting a company that continues to prove its ineptitude run the show.
Obviously if you were listening, it was stated that they would have to evaluate or had evaluated that options or assistance from other countries either will add or may not help in any way. Adding more to confusion and getting into the way. And some may not be environmental thesible. If you have noticed, that many oil drilling countries don't have that much oversight in their of environmental concerns, if their even is environmental concerns.

For instance the Russian option of nuking to plug it up...yep, and then you have a Bikini situation, where the waters still are radioactive 60 yrs laters...is that what you want? 

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #86 on: June 02, 2010, 05:27:23 AM »
Plug the damn hole!

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #87 on: June 02, 2010, 05:49:32 AM »


Plug the damn Palins hole!

Fixed.



Friday, Aug 29, 2008  
Sarah Palin: Drill, drill, drill -- all the way


Offshore, onshore, in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge -- the Republican vice-presidential nominee makes no bones about it: Drill!

By Andrew Leonard
Conservatives have a host of reasons for fawning over Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's surprise vice-presidential pick. She's solidly pro-life and a solid fiscal conservative. But possibly her most attractive attribute, at this particular moment in time, could be her position on energy. You would be hard put to find an elected politician in the United States who more resolutely supports a rapid ramp-up in exploiting domestic energy supplies -- offshore and on -- including in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

One of her campaign promises in her 2006 run for governor was to "get ANWR open." Drill here, drill now? As CNBC talk show host Larry Kudlow noted in June, with Sarah Palin it's "drill, drill, drill -- all the way."



Where's that cu*t now when we need her "expert" advice?  ::)


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #88 on: June 02, 2010, 05:51:35 AM »
Plug Bobby Jindals hole !!




]"Drill, Baby, Drill" Republican LA Gov. Bobby Jindal [/u] Criticizes Federal Disaster Aid


posted Wednesday, 26 May 2010
Bobby Jindal (R Gov. LA) repeatedly called upon a reduction of the federal government, so it could "get out of the way" and "empower" private employers to create jobs.  Jindal is a perfect example of a Republican governor who has constantly complained that the federal government is too big and too intrusive and advocated more authority to the states.
During the Bush administration the federal goverment sure got out of the way of BP drilling deep-water wells in the Gulf! Along the way they approved the absence of safety precautions (insisted upon by the British and Norwegian goverments for North-Sea drilling), with environmental waivers excusing BP from many inspections and reporting requirements. The CMM inspector who inspected the TransOcean rig which caught fire and sunk, causing this disasterous oil spill, was actually applying for a job with TransOcean at the same time.

Of course, now that the oil spill is threatening the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of Lousianna voters, Jindal is now loudly complaining that the federal government isn't doing enough to protect Lousianna coastline from the effects of the spill.  Now his state's coastline is endangered and all he can do is complain that the federal government hasn't done enough. It's your state's coastline governor, have your people of LA clean it up. You can't have things both ways.



Drill Baby Drill !! Drown in oil NOW coccksucker Jindal !  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2010, 05:53:04 AM »
Plug the GOP's hole !!!!




FL panhandle GOP no longer supports ‘drill baby drill’



May 9, 2010
Florida Panhandle politicians who had been ardent offshore drilling advocates are changing their tune as the BP oil disaster begins harming their constituents.



The Senate-energy-committee-approved ACELA (S. 1462) would lift the moratorium on drilling in the Pensacola and Destin areas, just off the coast of the Florida Panhandle.

Florida Panhandle politicians who had been ardent offshore drilling advocates are changing their tune as the BP oil disaster begins harming their constituents. State Representative Greg Evers (R-FL-1) and State Senator Don Gaetz (R-FL-4) joined Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum (R-FL) at a press conference at the Pensacola Chamber of Commerce yesterday. Before the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon rig, both Gaetz and Evers advocated drilling near the Florida shoreline. Now that “a lot of businesses are already feeling the pinch,” however, Evers says the white beaches of Escambia County “must be protected at all costs,” and Gaetz says that the “many” economic losses coming from this oil spill mean “these are the worst of times“:


Drown in oil you coocksuckers !!  ;D

Drown Baby Drown !!


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2010, 05:54:36 AM »
Fixed.



Obama needs to go down to the Gulf and hand out beers for a beer summit.  


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2010, 05:59:12 AM »
 
Senior Republicans distance themselves from 'drill, baby, drill'By J. Taylor Rushing - 05/04/10 03:31 PM ET
 
GOP Whip Jon Kyl (Ariz.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (Kan.) said Senate Republicans have never endorsed the phrase.

Two senior Republicans on Tuesday distanced themselves from the controversial "drill, baby, drill" phrase first used by Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele and repeated prominently by 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Speaking in the wake of a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that might have as many political repercussions as environmental ones, GOP Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona and Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas both said Senate Republicans never endorsed the phrase. And Kyl specifically avoided referring to Steele by name.

"That was not a Senate Republican phrase," Kyl said. "I think there was a candidate that used that. I think our phrase was 'drill here, drill now,' meaning here in the United States and as quickly as oil and gas leases are going."



Hahahaaaa!!! Run but you can't hide coccksuckers!!

Drown Baby Drown !!  ;D ;D


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2010, 06:00:12 AM »

"Cheney/bush deregulation caused gulf oil spill catastrophe"

Cheney's energy deregulation allowed our oil companies not to spend $500,000 on an acoustic switch to trigger the blowout prevention that would have stopped the disaster now looming off the gulf of Louisiana.



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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #93 on: June 02, 2010, 06:08:23 AM »


Moron.  You cant blame bush anymore.  Obama gave these people the waiver and his MMS was well aware of the issues with the regulators. 

   

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #94 on: June 02, 2010, 06:33:15 AM »
I think people are saying:

1) They don't know a better solution
2) They know it is BP, not the govt, with the responsibility and skillset here
3) They wish Obama was down there in a lame PR effort, scrubbing rocks
4) They would criticize Obama for scrubbing rocks, saying he was pandering and wasting resources (it takes a lot of $ and men to protect him, while he scrubs rocks for 10 min for the cameras).

Right?

Bingo!

But hey.... they got to whine and cry about Obama for something right?  Might as well be this.  Simpleton idiots.

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2010, 07:03:56 AM »
Bingo!

But hey.... they got to whine and cry about Obama for something right?  Might as well be this.  Simpleton idiots.


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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2010, 11:52:50 AM »
Why anyone wants him there is beyond me?Everything he gets involved with gets worse.The economy is worse,UE is worse,Health care system is worse,race relations are MUCH worse,the deficit is worse.The guy is a toal failure.Keep him the hell out of there.Let him play golf and go to Chicago,because when he sticks his flat nose into things they fall apart worse then they are.

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2010, 11:54:53 AM »
Why anyone wants him there is beyond me?Everything he gets involved with gets worse.The economy is worse,UE is worse,Health care system is worse,race relations are MUCH worse,the deficit is worse.The guy is a toal failure.Keep him the hell out of there.Let him play golf and go to Chicago,because when he sticks his flat nose into things they fall apart worse then they are.

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2010, 11:58:04 AM »
Why anyone wants him there is beyond me?Everything he gets involved with gets worse.The economy is worse,UE is worse,Health care system is worse,race relations are MUCH worse,the deficit is worse.The guy is a toal failure.Keep him the hell out of there.Let him play golf and go to Chicago,because when he sticks his flat nose into things they fall apart worse then they are.

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Re: Things Obama is doing instead of going to the gulf
« Reply #99 on: June 03, 2010, 09:36:23 AM »
Obama is really busting his ass trying to get the economy back, the spill under control, the wars in check etc.   ::)  ::)  ::)